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[dangertroy]

I cant get me head around how they can pay one bloke $1.7M. If I am correct, the salary cap increased by 12% this year to $17.7M. Assuming it increases again by the same amount, the cap will be say $19.8M. With the 44 players on their list, that would equate to an average of $412K when you take away TDK's 1.7M from from the 2026 cap. The 412K is way below the average so they will all be taking serious hair cuts just to accomodate TDK.
Am I missing something?

You’ve seen their list right? It’s full of way below average players.
Steele, Marshall, Sinclair, NWM, Macrae. Who else on that list is worth more than an average AFL wage? Stocker, Dow and Carroll?

Hill is probably still on decent coin (but probably not worth it), King would be on big money, but is never on the park. They have some good kids coming through, but none would be commanding massive money yet.

I’ve got no doubt that they could offer TDK 1.7m a season and still have plenty of cap space. The thing I don’t get is why they want another mobile ruck when they’ve got Marshall. Unless they have concerns about his body, or they want him to play forward 75% of the time, it just seems crazy to be investing that amount when it’s not a position of absolute need for them.

It’s head turning money. If you could walk in as the clear number 1 ruck to a contender, then it’s hard to say no. Geelong, Hawthorn, even Sydney or Port… But to go share the ruck with Marshall? For a team that could still be in for a few more years in the wilderness?

He’s got a big decision to make. But if our season goes south, then we will make up his mind for him.

 

[DollarsandSense]

There will be talented small forwards available at the end of this season.
Kozzie Pickett - probably WA bound but stranger things have happened
Toby McMullin - has speed, born and bred in Melbourne. GWS is stacked for smalls
Malcolm Rosas - out of contract and out of the GC team. Is a goalkicker.
Sam Butler- out of contract and fallen behind elite smalls at Hawthorn

How good would a mid season trade period be. Hellllloooooo Rosas.
Bugger.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

How good would a mid season trade period be. Hellllloooooo Rosas.
Bugger.

Wanted us to get Rosas last trade period!! Hope we target him this year

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How good would a mid season trade period be. Hellllloooooo Rosas.
Bugger.

Mid season draft if we still stink a kid called Tom Evans who'd be a ripper at half back. Only watched the one game but he was bloody fantastic playing alongside Cody. Played a bit of VFL last year apparently. Lachie Ash type run and dash rebounder.

 

[katmanblue]

Probably accurate sadly. But we did get an all new Medical team in the off season so maybe we'll see a miracle occur!

Not sure if we changed medical team or just high performance.

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[Flaggers22]

I cant get me head around how they can pay one bloke $1.7M. If I am correct, the salary cap increased by 12% this year to $17.7M. Assuming it increases again by the same amount, the cap will be say $19.8M. With the 44 players on their list, that would equate to an average of $412K when you take away TDK's 1.7M from from the 2026 cap. The 412K is way below the average so they will all be taking serious hair cuts just to accomodate TDK.
Am I missing something?

Your figures are off, here are the actual projections.

2026: 18.3 million
2027: 18.4 million
2028: New CBA

I think it's helpful to view these contracts as a percentage of the allocated cap space. For instance, if we take the reports at face value, the Saints are allocating 9.3% of their cap to De Koning. This is quite high, but to put it into context the Swans were allocating 12% of their cap to Buddy - if once again the reports were accurate. It's been well established that most contracts are laden with performance incentives (match payments + awards), so there's a decent chance that when all is said and done the De Koning deal might only be worth 8.4% of the cap, and the Buddy deal was worth 10.8%. Regardless, the Saints are still making a huge bet on De Koning, and if the current trends in player payments hold, he'll be on one of the five largest contracts in the league from 2026 onwards.

As to how the Saints are fitting him in, the answer is that they have a young list, and as such they'll have more players on base contracts than a club like Carlton. When we were rebuilding - and their list manager, was our list manager - we made godfather offers to Shiel and Coniglio (with the latter offer being slightly larger than the De Koning one).

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Not sure if we changed medical team or just high performance.

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Replaced the whole lot of them from memory.

 

[The Bighouse]

Hutchy drops that H is on around $1.3M per season…

 

[Psychochook]

Can I throw out a suggestion on Harry.

Assuming he can overcome his current mental health issues, he also seems to feel the pressure of being a key forward coupled with his obvious mental demons when kicking for goal.

Why don't we play him at Centre Half Back ?

Wieters/Harry - two KPD

Charlie/Kemp (maybe McGovern) - up forward


Given where we are at - what have we to lose ??

Was thinking the same all weekend.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hutchy drops that H is on around $1.3M per season…

A figure that has literally never been mentioned before and is likely miles off what he's actually on.

 

[Forty3]

Hutchy drops that H is on around $1.3M per season…

He very well could be, this year.

Media have always struggled to differentiate a players total contract from their yearly earnings.

As I have mentioned in the past, players wages are never the same year to year, especially on longer term deals.
All the long term deals we have recently have been staggered in a way that allows us to have wiggle room in any given year. On top of his, clubs often during seasons, especially coming up to trade periods or player retentions, will ask players whether they would be opposed to having some of their next years earning brought forward or pushed back.
As long as the entire contract is paid and the player is consenting it happens.

But then the media will run with I heard $1.3M, so that must be what he's on every year. Which is odd, because so many of the media are ex players, so they know this. But I guess in this clickbait era, you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Your figures are off, here are the actual projections.

2026: 18.3 million
2027: 18.4 million
2028: New CBA

I think it's helpful to view these contracts as a percentage of the allocated cap space. For instance, if we take the reports at face value, the Saints are allocating 9.3% of their cap to De Koning. This is quite high, but to put it into context the Swans were allocating 12% of their cap to Buddy - if once again the reports were accurate. It's been well established that most contracts are laden with performance incentives (match payments + awards), so there's a decent chance that when all is said and done the De Koning deal might only be worth 8.4% of the cap, and the Buddy deal was worth 10.8%. Regardless, the Saints are still making a huge bet on De Koning, and if the current trends in player payments hold, he'll be on one of the five largest contracts in the league from 2026 onwards.

As to how the Saints are fitting him in, the answer is that they have a young list, and as such they'll have more players on base contracts than a club like Carlton. When we were rebuilding - and their list manager, was our list manager - we made godfather offers to Shiel and Coniglio (with the latter offer being slightly larger than the De Koning one).

Thanks Flaggers, I assumed another 12% increase in correctly. I tried the exercise of estimating a salary of each player based on experience (not knowing much about their list, probably a futile exercise).
I see what you mean, if the number being offered is true or even close, he will take it and run.

 

[katmanblue]

He very well could be, this year.

Media have always struggled to differentiate a players total contract from their yearly earnings.

As I have mentioned in the past, players wages are never the same year to year, especially on longer term deals.
All the long term deals we have recently have been staggered in a way that allows us to have wiggle room in any given year. On top of his, clubs often during seasons, especially coming up to trade periods or player retentions, will ask players whether they would be opposed to having some of their next years earning brought forward or pushed back.
As long as the entire contract is paid and the player is consenting it happens.

But then the media will run with I heard $1.3M, so that must be what he's on every year. Which is odd, because so many of the media are ex players, so they know this. But I guess in this clickbait era, you gotta do what you gotta do.

It's not odd. Their job is to get eyes on the advertisements. Sensationalist comments get eyeballs. Sensationalist about big 4 club or West coast in WA and Adelaide in SA are particularly productive for them.

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[tarczonandjane]

Somebody mentioned Leek Aleer. I can’t remember where I read it, but a report in the last couple of weeks has said every club in Victoria is after him. Just saying we might have some competition.

 

[Coona Blues]

I think that would all depend on how the medical team see his body holding up long term. If they feel they'll be able to get him back to his best it would take some real gonads to put him up for trade.

It would depend on a number of factors.

How tight is our salary cap?

Do we retain TDK, and at what cost?

Kemp plays a part, a season kicking ~40 goals means a premium would be required to retain him.

Do we retain mid priced veterans like Doc and McGovern, even Acres is possibly after a bigger pay day which we maybe can’t afford (could be a form explainer)? Does young Motlop look for an undeserved pay rise?

Other than TDK, Walshy is the upcoming “big” contract. If he has lost a yard of pace, it puts him back in the pack. Does his output exceed Hewett’s at half if the price?

Thinking there are plenty of relevant questions for our brain’s trust.

 

[Stamos]

even Acres is possibly after a bigger pay day which we maybe can’t afford

Acres signed a 2 year extension in June (for 26 & 27)

 

[DangerousD]

If things continue down a disastrous path you'd have to assume the club will give Voss the tap on the shoulder to get the kids in.

Remember Zorko said in the wrap up of the Grand Final last year when they were in the pits early in the year that the leadership team were actually going to approach Fagan to tell him to start playing kids in and looking to the future. It just so happened that they found their mojo again a couple weeks later and the rest is history.

I really though the Brisbane younger players added some needed energy to the side, their injuries were a bit of a blessing

 

[DangerousD]

Mid season draft if we still stink a kid called Tom Evans who'd be a ripper at half back. Only watched the one game but he was bloody fantastic playing alongside Cody. Played a bit of VFL last year apparently. Lachie Ash type run and dash rebounder.

I would lose my mind, i feel we have drafted nothing but half backs

 

[JJBagger]

I would lose my mind, i feel we have drafted nothing but half backs

What half backs have we drafted recently? Guys like Carroll and Boyd have been MSD and rookie picks. Wilson was drafted as a mid that can play half back

 

[SurreyBlue]

What half backs have we drafted recently? Guys like Carroll and Boyd have been MSD and rookie picks. Wilson was drafted as a mid that can play half back

Charleson.

 

[bradfisher14]

Cowan and O. Hollands

 

[JJBagger]

Charleson.

Rookie pick too

 

[JJBagger]

Cowan and O. Hollands

Neither of them were drafted as half backs

 

[SurreyBlue]

Rookie pick too

Yep but still a HB. Duffy and Monaghan could be added in there but I don’t think that’s a bad thing as we drafted 3 mids and KP this year.

 

[SurreyBlue]

IMO, if we had Elijah, Williams, Motlop, Cory and Fantasia up and running at the one time, we wouldn’t be having these conversations. Problem is we can’t get them on the park as one and I have doubts Voss would play them all as one, as he likes his defensive half backs who don’t score.