List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Opium]

He's a modern day CHB type, which Marchbank was supposed to be for us. McGovern is only a pinch hitting CHB, Cowan isn't, Silvagni maybe, Young is more your fullback, Durdin the same, not sure about Phillips or McMahon.

We are a bit short on for talent in this area. A lot of pinch hitters who are more suited to other roles.

Honestly I think it's out of Haynes and Silvagni and that's a hope. The rest can play the role but not at a very good level IMO.

The other way this works is if Weitering is released by someone taking his fullback role. Weitering playing more that CHB role later in the season was really good. Young would need to get bigger and stronger to be consistent. Durding is a good possibility and I really am not sure or confident in the rest.

Honestly, I think we will be really keen to recruit for this position at the end of next year. I can really see us chasing a small forward and a key defender.

Haynes is injury prone and 33 years old. Will be lucky to play 10 games. People seriously overrate players on here.

 

[ianh]

He didnt leave Carlton becaue he was overweight mate and he wasnt 'overweight' when he did leave...I think you are being harsh or focussing on one stoopid article. Justliek those who foicusse don McGovern being overweigt - when they bloke couldnt train because he literally boke his neck.

Exgtending the discussion....Yes so called standards have iomproved at Carlton - it will be good when 'standards' marry up to team results for a full year. The proof is in performance week to week - no excuses this year none zero nada and I'm looking at Voss and his crew of assistants including Russell who apparently is a gun forwads coach.

Going full grammar Nazi here, but maybe the number of spelling errors is indicative of you typing at an excessive rush - I should know I do it all the time because I am an officially diagnosed manic (right now making a concerted effort not to rush my typing!) - but might I suggest in all honesty slowing down the typing and thus high-speed stream-of-consciousness style output would not only make it much easier to read without the typing errors but actually improve the expression of your thoughts. I mean in addition to the errors shown up by the automatic red underlining (although I suspect stoopid is deliberately so spelt) I also see "don McGovern (is that another brother?) ... they bloke ... boke his neck". I am not having a go or trying to be funny, but I really do think if you slowed down a bit your points would clearer, easier to follow and more articulately made - now whether they would be any more or less correct of course is a whole other debate.

Sturmbahnfuhrer Sprachpurist Rechtanwald

 

[JustaBattler]

Going full grammar Nazi here, but maybe the number of spelling errors is indicative of you typing at an excessive rush - I should know I do it all the time because I am an officially diagnosed manic (right now making a concerted effort not to rush my typing!) - but might I suggest in all honesty slowing down the typing and thus high-speed stream-of-consciousness style output would not only make it much easier to read without the typing errors but actually improve the expression of your thoughts. I mean in addition to the errors shown up by the automatic red underlining (although I suspect stoopid is deliberately so spelt) I also see "don McGovern (is that another brother?) ... they bloke ... boke his neck". I am not having a go or trying to be funny, but I really do think if you slowed down a bit your points would clearer, easier to follow and more articulately made - now whether they would be any more or less correct of course is a whole other debate.

Sturmbahnfuhrer Sprachpurist Rechtanwald

Appreciate your thoughtfulness but

nope -

 

[Gethelred]

I think you missed my point - I was referring to us having no adequate cover for Weitering in his role as a Key Defender, Young can pinch hit for a week or two, but as we have seen when the heat is on he wilts under pressure.

I haven't missed your point at all, I just rate Young as a better substitute for Weitering than the majority of people on here. I also think the difficulty in replacing Newman is understated.

Newman’s role as a half back distributor can be well covered by as you’ve said Boyd, or Docherty, or even McGovern (if he’s not asked to be playing as a defensive tall).

Not as well, not in the same way, and he offers more than just distribution.

 

[Love the Drake]

He's 33 early this year and last year he played 9 VFL games. He wasn't a first choice best 22

At his best he was a heck of player and I can see him playing a role at times. The Newman injury opens up another spot but I would be disappointed if he plays most weeks as we have Weitering McGovern Silvagni Cowan Young Durdin/Phillips, maybe McMahon that IMO should be ahead of him if fit and playing near their best

Yeah. Nah. Putting Durdin, Phillips, McMahon and JSOS ahead of Haynes is, well, naive.
The four players you have mentioned are all mature age, and would be lucky to have played 10 ordinary games between them in the AFL in the backline. I qualify this by saying JSOS has never played a season in the backline, but is a wonderfully diverse all-rounder. But he is a forward, coming back from an ACL.

Haynes is an AA 200 game backman who has recently been plagued by illness and injury. He played 9 games in a very strong AFL team in 2024, averaging 17 kicks and 7 marks. In the VFL he averaged 30 and 10. At his best he runs rings around them.

Also, I thought you posted that you went to training regularly? If so, how could you not see the quality of Haynes and the experience he provides in the backline half? I’ve certainly seen it, and a lot of the senior players have mentioned it?

Haynes every day of the week. His experience in the backline will be invaluable after the loss of Newman.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

After the 2 re-signings of Saad & Cerra today, out of contract at end of this year …


2025
1. Jack Silvagni
3. Jesse Motlop
11. Mitch McGovern
12. Tom De Koning
14. Orazio Fantasia
15. Sam Docherty
17. Brodie Kemp
24. Nic Newman
26. Nick Haynes
29. George Hewett (RFA)
31. Harry Lemmey
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
35. Billy Wilson
36. Cooper Lord - MSD (Rookie)
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ?

Orazio needs to play 15 games this year to trigger an extension.

 

[Soapy V]

Yeah. Nah. Putting Durdin, Phillips, McMahon and JSOS ahead of Haynes is, well, naive.
The four players you have mentioned are all mature age, and would be lucky to have played 10 ordinary games between them in the AFL in the backline. I qualify this by saying JSOS has never played a season in the backline, but is a wonderfully diverse all-rounder. But he is a forward, coming back from an ACL.

Haynes is an AA 200 game backman who has recently been plagued by illness and injury. He played 9 games in a very strong AFL team in 2024, averaging 17 kicks and 7 marks. In the VFL he averaged 30 and 10. At his best he runs rings around them.

Haynes every day of the week. His experience in the backline will be invaluable after the loss of Newman.

Not what I said.

 

[Love the Drake]

Care to elaborate?

While I hope all of Durdin/McMahon/Phillips and SOS are able to put it together and have good years, Haynes is a cut above them until proven otherwise.

He did play 9 games of VFL last year, in those games he averaged 31 disposals and 11 marks. Hes not a VFL player and we haven’t brought him in to be one.

He’s an experienced head who is an elite mark of the footy, he’s only on a 1 year deal and we are in win now mode. Barring someone absolutely leaping out of the box in preseason he is the obvious first choice

Could not agree anymore. Well said.

 

[Soapy V]

Also, I thought you posted that you went to training regularly? If so, how could you not see the quality of Haynes and the experience he provides in the backline half? I’ve certainly seen it, and a lot of the senior players have mentioned it?

Please show me where I have said he isn’t? I actually said he’s been a heck of a player

Talk about 1+1=3

As usual you are pushing a hateful agenda, playing the man and not dealing in facts.

Same people same comments

 

[CJMB]

Haynes is injury prone and 33 years old. Will be lucky to play 10 games. People seriously overrate players on here.

Is he actually injury prone? Averaged over 18 AFL games across the past decade. Only played 8 senior last year, but still managed 10 reserves. Had the illness thing fairly recently, but it’s not like he was completely off the park. 180+ across 10 reads pretty well, compare it to most of our talls…

Not sure if overrating Haynes vs Young, or a couple of guys who aren’t even on an afl list right now, or a guy who we’re all hopeful for but he’s changed positions and coming off a knee.

 

[Love the Drake]

Not what I said.

Just disagree with what you have posted ad nauseum, that YOU rate other journey-men above Haynes.

He's 33 early this year and last year he played 9 VFL games. He wasn't a first choice best 22

At his best he was a heck of player and I can see him playing a role at times. The Newman injury opens up another spot but I would be disappointed if he plays most weeks as we have Weitering McGovern Silvagni Cowan Young Durdin/Phillips, maybe McMahon that IMO should be ahead of him if fit and playing near their best

So you believe JSOS, Young, Durdin, Phillips and (maybe) McMahon are better options. Yes or no?

He's 33. How long and often to you expect him to be at his best?

It’s obvious you think he is too old.

I really hope a Young, Durdin, Silvagni or Phillips step up and can take the major Key forward every week.

Release Weitering to intercept/third man up and use his great kicking and McGovern as well as third tall defender where he can do the same.

These three surrounded by runners like Saad Boyd Ollie Docherty Wilson L.Campo Cowan is my dream scenario

No mention of Haynes amongst these 13 defenders you have mentioned.

Not having a crack at Haynes but he is 33 and past his best. People seem to think he is still a top line player. I also don't agree with "Modern CHB" type. It's total defence now and different roles. You have a combination of talls, mobile talls and runners

He was brought in as cheap depth. It's what we need. He will play games and be more than handy.

As I said (and ususal suspects have jumped on) I hope we go past him and have players like Jack, Durdin/Phillips McGovern Cowan Young filling the spots to support Weitering. Means we are improving and doing very well

Just my take

Well, you are clearly having a crack at Haynes. Your exact words: ‘he is 33 and past his best. Brought in for cheap depth’. Yet you rate mature-age journeyman, with 1-2 games experience, ahead of him. I found that interesting.

That’s your call. Stop being so sensitive, saying you are being misquoted and trolled when that is clearly not the case.

People are allowed to disagree with you. That is what a footy forum is all about. Opinions.

Also, how could you have not seen how good he has looked at training?! He is moving brilliantly and provides the leadership we so badly need.

 

[bigblueboy]

I think Haynes is just about cooked.
But still better option than Young, S Durdin, JSOS and worth the investment … now that Newman has gone down his experience will be very valuable.

 

[Red_man2008]

Must have got Cez at a discount if we've signed him this early for 5 more years, given his injuries.

Apparently it’s around 2 million for the 4 years. Around 500k per.

 

[agro]

I haven't missed your point at all, I just rate Young as a better substitute for Weitering than the majority of people on here. I also think the difficulty in replacing Newman is understated.

Not as well, not in the same way, and he offers more than just distribution.

We clearly disagree - but hey footy is an opinion based business.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Someone connected to Haynes on this board mentioned something about a very specific diet he has to follow due to a medical condition when we got linked to him. Apparently hampered him quite a bit the last couple years at GWS but after getting some expert help he feels like its all sorted now.

I'm optimistic on how he'll go this year. Absolutely star in his prime, not expecting that sort of form anymore but I think he could play a role down back as a bit of a calm head and good decision maker while the youth take the reigns hopefully.

My focus is still on Motlop, Durdin and Fantasia. Apparently Orazio is moving well compared to last year and Motlop is in career best condition. Haven't heard a lot about Durdin but just hoping like hell one of them can step up and kick 30+ this year.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

the tall defender situation is certainly interesting. Personally outside of Gov and Weitering; individually I wouldn’t be confident of any of them having a strong season but with enough options (Young, JSOS, Haynes, plus the one we add) you would hope one does. Flip a coin for me atm

 

[JustaBattler]

We clearly disagree - but hey footy is an opinion based business.

When in doubt just refer to my view...ok

PS - ther eis 'something' that people see that leads to mosty decent opnions but typage on a page oft leads to exagerration..which leads to ...
anyway I got sck of watching the stager Djokovic pretend yet another injury to nagify his win or excuse his loss tonihgt - I hope the kid doesn't fal for his gamesmanship- a blight on the gamne imo.

 

[JustaBattler]

I haven't missed your point at all, I just rate Young as a better substitute for Weitering than the majority of people on here. I also think the difficulty in replacing Newman is understated.

....

No and yes.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Get TDK done and then figure out how we're getting SDK in too.

I couldn’t agree more! Now that Cerra and Saad are re-signed he is the absolute priority. The only other player on that list is I’d give a multi year contract to before the end of the season is Hewett. Newmans injury makes a multi year contract dicey but he should get another year too. The rest of them should have to earn a new contract by good performance.

 

[Beyond Blue]

the tall defender situation is certainly interesting. Personally outside of Gov and Weitering; individually I wouldn’t be confident of any of them having a strong season but with enough options (Young, JSOS, Haynes, plus the one we add) you would hope one does. Flip a coin for me atm

I find it interesting that a lot of people hold Gov is such high esteem. No player is without fault but he has made a lot of mistakes over the past few years playing as a defender. IMO a fully fit Haynes runs rings around Gov as a defender, I’m just not sure we’re getting that version of Haynes.

The reality is Weitering is our only reliable tall back. We need someone like Sos, DGB, Phillips or Young (not Durdin…he simply can’t stay fit) to step up because the 2nd key defender position (along with a reliable goal kicking small forward) is our major weakness.