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[haveago]

It's a 1 year deal. It's literally the opposite of risky.

Also over the last 4 years he's averaged 21.5 games a season, so that observation is unfounded.

No issue with this decision by the club, risk is next to 0.

Couldn't be happier to have Saady sign on for another year, an absolute gun. And I am pretty sure he is just as happy being a Blueboy so all being well another year in 2027 if all good with his body will be no issue.......

And another season where the Bummers can spew up about losing him.

 

[Gethelred]

Brisbane - Harris Andrews
Collingwood - Moore + Murphy... Not sure why either is a question mark. Don't like them but were very good in 2023.

I'm looking for a singular, dominant defender, not a two man team. Between the two of them, they were exceptional; individually, they both had limitations.

Geelong - Sam DeKoning was absolutely one of the best KPDs in the league in 2022. Regressed since then but he was phenomenal in 2022.

But you cannot understate the importance of Tom Stewart or Marc Blicavs to that backline.

Melbourne - May + Lever
Richmond - Grimes made the AA squad as a KPD. 1-2cm shorter than a regular KPD but still locked down the best KPF's in the league on a weekly basis. Could play tall or small.

... because of the support he got from Astbury and Vlaustin.

Grimes towards the tail end of his career was rarely beaten one out because he was only rarely one out. That's more or less the point I'm making; the collective can cover for the weaknesses of the whole.

West Coast - Barass and McGovern is an absurdly good pairing. One of the best of all time.

... and it's a pairing. Not a singular, dominant defender.

McGovern is also 197cm?

I did look, and perhaps google got the McGoverns mixed up as it told me 190cm. Ah well.

Even so, two players, not one.

Western Bulldogs - An anomaly in many many regards. No real gun KPF for most of the season either (Boyd played a great grand final)

Yep. You want to go back further, 2008 was also a weird one, with no even decent KPD available for Hawthorn almost all season.

I'm not saying Weitering isn't important or trashing the seasons the above players had. What I am saying is that it's actually a rarity for a player like Harris Andrews to play almost a lone hand. Even May in one of the most dominant seasons by a KPD since 2000 needed Lever to do things he couldn't.

We need the whole - including the mids - to excell. Being without Weitering would hurt, but it could be covered by Young and the rest of the team stepping up for a period of time that could absolutely include the grand final if we made it.

IMO, Newman out hurts as much as Weitering would.

 

[Stamos]

IMO, Newman out hurts as much as Weitering would.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I'm looking for a singular, dominant defender, not a two man team. Between the two of them, they were exceptional; individually, they both had limitations.

But you cannot understate the importance of Tom Stewart or Marc Blicavs to that backline.

... because of the support he got from Astbury and Vlaustin.

Grimes towards the tail end of his career was rarely beaten one out because he was only rarely one out. That's more or less the point I'm making; the collective can cover for the weaknesses of the whole.

... and it's a pairing. Not a singular, dominant defender.

I did look, and perhaps google got the McGoverns mixed up as it told me 190cm. Ah well.

Even so, two players, not one.

Yep. You want to go back further, 2008 was also a weird one, with no even decent KPD available for Hawthorn almost all season.

I'm not saying Weitering isn't important or trashing the seasons the above players had. What I am saying is that it's actually a rarity for a player like Harris Andrews to play almost a lone hand. Even May in one of the most dominant seasons by a KPD since 2000 needed Lever to do things he couldn't.

We need the whole - including the mids - to excell. Being without Weitering would hurt, but it could be covered by Young and the rest of the team stepping up for a period of time that could absolutely include the grand final if we made it.

IMO, Newman out hurts as much as Weitering would.

Sorry then G! Must have misunderstood your point. I agree that Weitering needs some better support. An Astbury or Stewart type would go a long way to making our backline one of the best.

 

[Coona Blues]

He'll be 31 mid year. That's like 60 in dog sporting years. Seems to twinge a hammy every 2nd week and seemed hampered in a few games last year.
Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he plays on to a high level for a few years. Just think it's risky.

I fully relate to your concerns. The timing surprises me. No slight on Saady, but his body is compromised with soft tissue vulnerabilities.

I am reading this that he will likely revert to a predominantly lockdown role in his twilight, leaving the bulk of the rebound work to the youngsters for developmental purposes.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It's a 1 year deal. It's literally the opposite of risky.

Also over the last 4 years he's averaged 21.5 games a season, so that observation is unfounded.

No issue with this decision by the club, risk is next to 0.

It's a year on top of his existing year. A year that hasn't even started yet. He'll be 32 at the end of it.
I think his game tally is a little deceptive. He was subbed out a couple times and how many games did he hobble out of a contest and look like he was done? Sure, he played out the game a lot of times, or played the following week after having a question mark over his name during the week, but he also looked slow and hampered at times.
Some of that blame goes to the club for refusing to rest players when clearly not 100%.
His disposals were lowest since 2019 (as well as kicks). His rebound 50s lowest since 2018 and his inside 50s and metres gained are the lowest since his 2nd year in the league, so he's obviously not covering the ground like he was.
Anyway, I don't want to labour the point more than I have. Happy to have him, but personally not a fan of extending so early.

 

[Gethelred]

Newman went through a patch in 2023 where he was our best player, setting us up from back half and through midfield, turning contests into clear offensive possession and advantage and causing turnovers himself. During that patch, he was our best kick bar none, and was dynamic in a way that was haven't had since.

He's not matched those heights since, but the potential for it is always there.

He's also a key organiser behind the ball, as much a part of it as Weitering or Doc. Him out means less cohesion, and easier marks in our back half for our opponents. He - like Acres - stands in the hole an awful lot to take marks when he knows contact is coming.

C'mom, SHT. You know how important Newman is to us.

 

[Stamos]

Newman went through a patch in 2023 where he was our best player, setting us up from back half and through midfield, turning contests into clear offensive possession and advantage and causing turnovers himself. During that patch, he was our best kick bar none, and was dynamic in a way that was haven't had since.

He's not matched those heights since, but the potential for it is always there.

He's also a key organiser behind the ball, as much a part of it as Weitering or Doc. Him out means less cohesion, and easier marks in our back half for our opponents. He - like Acres - stands in the hole an awful lot to take marks when he knows contact is coming.

C'mom, SHT. You know how important Newman is to us.

Newman is an excellent player, and has been very important to us over the last 2 years, but he's not nearly as important as Weitering is.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

He'll be 31 mid year. That's like 60 in dog sporting years. Seems to twinge a hammy every 2nd week and seemed hampered in a few games last year.
Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he plays on to a high level for a few years. Just think it's risky.

Just need to manage him before his body gets too fatigued, he does hammies when his body is needing a break.
Club needs to get out of the mindset we need our best 18 on the park every single week, it has to be a real squad mentality from the match committee. Use the sub as a resting mechanism not for giving first gamers a game


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[agro]

Newman went through a patch in 2023 where he was our best player, setting us up from back half and through midfield, turning contests into clear offensive possession and advantage and causing turnovers himself. During that patch, he was our best kick bar none, and was dynamic in a way that was haven't had since.

He's not matched those heights since, but the potential for it is always there.

He's also a key organiser behind the ball, as much a part of it as Weitering or Doc. Him out means less cohesion, and easier marks in our back half for our opponents. He - like Acres - stands in the hole an awful lot to take marks when he knows contact is coming.

C'mom, SHT. You know how important Newman is to us.

We have no adequate cover for Weitering - but plenty of options to cover Newman.

 

[Gethelred]

We have no adequate cover for Weitering - but plenty of options to cover Newman.

We have two players who can do what he does, Docherty and Newman. Every single other option is worse at what he does, considerably.

His role is not HBF. He ranges from midfield to front half from defense. Trying to paint him as just a HBF is ignorant of how important organisational leadership works in back half, and just how important someone who can patch up someone else's mistakes and turn them into pinpoint offensive pressire can be.

We also do not have so many quality kicks that can hit at ranges of 40m or more that the exclusion of one - even for his leadership equivalent in Doc, who cannot kick the way he can - should be just handwaved. Not Boyd, not Hollands, not McGovern, not Saad, not Cincotta or any other option is capable of everything he does or even part of it.

I don't particularly want to belabour the point beyond what I already have, so I'll leave it there.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We have two players who can do what he does, Docherty and Newman. Every single other option is worse at what he does, considerably.

His role is not HBF. He ranges from midfield to front half from defense. Trying to paint him as just a HBF is ignorant of how important organisational leadership works in back half, and just how important someone who can patch up someone else's mistakes and turn them into pinpoint offensive pressire can be.

We also do not have so many quality kicks that can hit at ranges of 40m or more that the exclusion of one - even for his leadership equivalent in Doc, who cannot kick the way he can - should be just handwaved. Not Boyd, not Hollands, not McGovern, not Saad, not Cincotta or any other option is capable of everything he does or even part of it.

I don't particularly want to belabour the point beyond what I already have, so I'll leave it there.

I'd disagree on the kicking 40m or more part. Boyd is just as capable as Newman in terms of kicking talent, I'd even argue he's better than Newman in that regard. Doesn't rack up the ball like him though which is another thing entirely... But in terms of ability to hit targets at distance he can hit some that not many in the competition are capable of.

Some of his kicking this season was phenomenal before he went down injured and lost a bit of form. Getting it in his hands more would be beneficial to our ball movement imo. Been a great find by Austin, just as Lord looks so far.

 

[Soapy V]

Haynes has been a very good player when he has been fit. If he is fit he plays.

He's 33 early this year and last year he played 9 VFL games. He wasn't a first choice best 22

At his best he was a heck of player and I can see him playing a role at times. The Newman injury opens up another spot but I would be disappointed if he plays most weeks as we have Weitering McGovern Silvagni Cowan Young Durdin/Phillips, maybe McMahon that IMO should be ahead of him if fit and playing near their best

 

[Tjblues]

It's a year on top of his existing year. A year that hasn't even started yet. He'll be 32 at the end of it.
I think his game tally is a little deceptive. He was subbed out a couple times and how many games did he hobble out of a contest and look like he was done? Sure, he played out the game a lot of times, or played the following week after having a question mark over his name during the week, but he also looked slow and hampered at times.
Some of that blame goes to the club for refusing to rest players when clearly not 100%.
His disposals were lowest since 2019 (as well as kicks). His rebound 50s lowest since 2018 and his inside 50s and metres gained are the lowest since his 2nd year in the league, so he's obviously not covering the ground like he was.
Anyway, I don't want to labour the point more than I have. Happy to have him, but personally not a fan of extending so early.

I just don’t think there’s any scenario where we wouldn’t be looking to sign him at the end of the year anyway so what’s the point in waiting?

There’s over 40 players on AFL lists aged 32 and older this year, it’s really not that old. The way players are looked after and the time put into their bodies gives them longevity far beyond previous generations.

 

[Gethelred]

I'd disagree on the kicking 40m or more part. Boyd is just as capable as Newman in terms of kicking talent, I'd even argue he's better than Newman in that regard. Doesn't rack up the ball like him though which is another thing entirely... But in terms of ability to hit targets at distance he can hit some that not many in the competition are capable of.

Some of his kicking this season was phenomenal before he went down injured and lost a bit of form. Getting it in his hands more would be beneficial to our ball movement imo. Been a great find by Austin, just as Lord looks so far.

I absolutely rate Boyd - you kidding me, I've been one of his biggest advocates on here - but his skill lies in his technjque and range, not game read. You need to see the holes, see the potential play to make the hardest passes.

Boyd can hit those targets, but he won't see them without input from the bloke behind him. Watch replays from our games, and you'll see the 'leader' - Newy, Weitering, Gov sometimes, Docherty - calling in the disposal for a player like Boyd, Cinc or Young. They even did it for Kemp sometimes.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I absolutely rate Boyd - you kidding me, I've been one of his biggest advocates on here - but his skill lies in his technjque and range, not game read. You need to see the holes, see the potential play to make the hardest passes.

Boyd can hit those targets, but he won't see them without input from the bloke behind him. Watch replays from our games, and you'll see the 'leader' - Newy, Weitering, Gov sometimes, Docherty - calling in the disposal for a player like Boyd, Cinc or Young. They even did it for Kemp sometimes.

Yeah thats fair. I actually don't think Newman was a particularly good kick technically, but his vision was elite which made him far more damaging than others.

Hopefully with more license from the coaches and playing group Boyd, Cowan and Ollie can step up to take Newman's spot.

I think the biggest loss re Newman will be his ability to defend. He was a phenomenal intercept player out the back of stoppage. Swept up everything that came his way like Doch used to before his injuries.

 

[Tjblues]

He's 33 early this year and last year he played 9 VFL games. He wasn't a first choice best 22

At his best he was a heck of player and I can see him playing a role at times. The Newman injury opens up another spot but I would be disappointed if he plays most weeks as we have Weitering McGovern Silvagni Cowan Young Durdin/Phillips, maybe McMahon that IMO should be ahead of him if fit and playing near their best

Haynes at his best is AA. To suggest that all those guys should be ahead of him is ludicrous.

You’ve got 3 players who aren’t even on the list in front of him, and while I’m sure we all hope the Silvagni experiment works, saying he’s ahead of Haynes at this stage is crazy to me.

I have our back six as:

Saad ———— Weitering —————- Boyd


Haynes ———— McGovern——— Cowan

There’s then OHollands, Doc, who I expect to spend some time at HB as well as further up the ground.

Young is cover for Weitering and Gov, or a handy option if we play a team that has multiple strong KPF. Durdin/Philips fit in behind Young if listed

Ideally Haynes is the 3rd tall, so of your list Silvagni is the most likely to compete for a spot. But Jack is coming off an ACL and playing back for the first time (properly) in his career. If he gets ahead of Haynes he’s had a ripping year.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Newmans ability to rack up numbers of stats is as much to do about how he plays as it is being a team strategy I reckon.
We need someone who is smart about how he positions himself on the field to be the outlet, it’s why I think Doc will be the one to take his role. I just don’t think his disposal is at Newmans level.


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[WalshistheGOAT]

Newmans ability to rack up numbers of stats is as much to do about how he plays as it is being a team strategy I reckon.
We need someone who is smart about how he positions himself on the field to be the outlet, it’s why I think Doc will be the one to take his role. I just don’t think his disposal is at Newmans level.


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The switch the coaches made with Newman mid way through 2023 was one of the reasons for our turnaround imo. Seemed to play a bit higher up the ground and went from inconsistently having big games to pretty much racking up 25 touches minimum week in week out and being highly damaging. From memory Saad shifted to more of a back pocket type role to allow Newman to be the main man up the field.

From Acres interview yesterday it sounds like Ollie is the player they have in mind for that in 2025.

 

[Soapy V]

Haynes at his best is AA. To suggest that all those guys should be ahead of him is ludicrous.

You’ve got 3 players who aren’t even on the list in front of him, and while I’m sure we all hope the Silvagni experiment works, saying he’s ahead of Haynes at this stage is crazy to me.

He's 33. How long and often to you expect him to be at his best?

 

[Tjblues]

He's 33. How long and often to you expect him to be at his best?

He doesn’t have to be at his best to be above a lot of the players you mentioned.

Suggesting that Durdin/Phillips/McMahon at “fit and near their best” are ahead of Haynes is crazy.

Projecting Silvagni to be ahead of him is optimism more than it is expectation. First time in a new position coming off a year long injury, it’s going to take time.

 

[Arr0w]

Haynes at his best is AA. To suggest that all those guys should be ahead of him is ludicrous.

You’ve got 3 players who aren’t even on the list in front of him, and while I’m sure we all hope the Silvagni experiment works, saying he’s ahead of Haynes at this stage is crazy to me.

I have our back six as:

Saad ———— Weitering —————- Boyd


Haynes ———— McGovern——— Cowan

There’s then OHollands, Doc, who I expect to spend some time at HB as well as further up the ground.

Young is cover for Weitering and Gov, or a handy option if we play a team that has multiple strong KPF. Durdin/Philips fit in behind Young if listed

Ideally Haynes is the 3rd tall, so of your list Silvagni is the most likely to compete for a spot. But Jack is coming off an ACL and playing back for the first time (properly) in his career. If he gets ahead of Haynes he’s had a ripping year.

Yeap, pick the best side, no matter the age of the player

 

[agro]

We have two players who can do what he does, Docherty and Newman. Every single other option is worse at what he does, considerably.

His role is not HBF. He ranges from midfield to front half from defense. Trying to paint him as just a HBF is ignorant of how important organisational leadership works in back half, and just how important someone who can patch up someone else's mistakes and turn them into pinpoint offensive pressire can be.

We also do not have so many quality kicks that can hit at ranges of 40m or more that the exclusion of one - even for his leadership equivalent in Doc, who cannot kick the way he can - should be just handwaved. Not Boyd, not Hollands, not McGovern, not Saad, not Cincotta or any other option is capable of everything he does or even part of it.

I don't particularly want to belabour the point beyond what I already have, so I'll leave it there.

I think you missed my point - I was referring to us having no adequate cover for Weitering in his role as a Key Defender, Young can pinch hit for a week or two, but as we have seen when the heat is on he wilts under pressure.

Newman’s role as a half back distributor can be well covered by as you’ve said Boyd, or Docherty, or even McGovern (if he’s not asked to be playing as a defensive tall).

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Yeap, pick the best side, no matter the age of the player

Our club has shown over the year's that when they recruit a player from another club, regardless of age he gets picked up to

play senior footy, not VFL. Club would see him as best 22 and will play round one, if fit. JSOS will start off in the two's and

slowly work his way into the season, you would think. Come second half of the year and finals time, he should be ready to

step up and fill in for Haynes, when needed. The other one that most do not rate at all, is Young. I really likes the way he

finished off, last season. Did show some real improvement. If he could only learn to give off quickly by hand and thereby

not have to kick it as often. This would be a real plus. Best case scenario imo is that Lewis has a break-out season and ends

up playing in most games. He is a late developer, I am hoping he can step up.

 

[Arr0w]

Our club has shown over the year's that when they recruit a player from another club, regardless of age he gets picked up to

play senior footy, not VFL. Club would see him as best 22 and will play round one, if fit. JSOS will start off in the two's and

slowly work his way into the season, you would think. Come second half of the year and finals time, he should be ready to

step up and fill in for Haynes, when needed. The other one that most do not rate at all, is Young. I really likes the way he

finished off, last season. Did show some real improvement. If he could only learn to give off quickly by hand and thereby

not have to kick it as often. This would be a real plus. Best case scenario imo is that Lewis has a break-out season and ends

up playing in most games. He is a late developer, I am hoping he can step up.

I too believe Haynes starts

Young has all the attributes, apart from being able to sustain a high level of intensity