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[Arr0w]

For mine Haynes has plenty to do before he will break into our best 22.

I think he starts round 1 if fit

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I’d be taking x SSPs, who in their right mind actually thinks we won’t have another LTI by the time the mid season draft comes around?
Like death and taxes with our luck this century


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[Soapy V]

For mine Haynes has plenty to do before he will break into our best 22.

I think in most cases we will go with three taller players. Weitering Young McGovern Silvagni Haynes Durdin/Phillips are the choices so competition is good.

 

[Kruezing]

For mine Haynes has plenty to do before he will break into our best 22.

He only needs to remain injury free to be in the starting lineup that’s the only perquisite unfortunately…

 

[gbatman]

Haynes has been a very good player when he has been fit. If he is fit he plays.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

List balance is improving each year

Sign Ethan Phillips then target a Shai Bolton, Zac Bailey type in the off season

Bingo!

 

[The Bighouse]

Lucas is the more natural footballer and more likely to be the longer term replacement for Newman

Cowan Weitering Gov
Boyd Haynes Saad
Ollie

Next in line Doc if required, then Cincotta upon return

Outside chance this year for Lucas, but if we suffer more injuries early to the back half don't be surprised to see someone like Elijah or Cerra at HB or Kemp going back

I don't see Wilson featuring at this stage

We might even target an experienced option in the SSP

I hope not re: EH &/or Cez to HB.
Kemp possibly but don’t think he’s a very good defender. Maybe a different role would be beneficial vs previous attempts to be more of a KPP.

McGovern should really be able to fill NN’s role without much fuss. He likes to try and kick on his left wherever possible…

 

[Arr0w]

I hope not re: EH &/or Cez to HB.
Kemp possibly but don’t think he’s a very good defender. Maybe a different role would be beneficial vs previous attempts to be more of a KPP.

McGovern should really be able to fill NN’s role without much fuss. He likes to try and kick on his left wherever possible…

I also prefer that Elijah, Cerra or Kemp don't go back, but other sides have also sent mids or HFs back with reasonable results

Hopefully we don't suffer anymore injuries

 

[Tjblues]

I think we should be looking to get as many of Newmans touches to Boyd as we can.

We haven’t seen the best of him yet. He is a long, powerful and penetrating kick who while being a downgrade in footy nous is a guy who with a clean run is moving into his 4th (or 5th?) year and should be ready to show everything he’s got.

He won’t be the same defensively as Newman but he has all the tools to cover his offensive output

 

[The Bighouse]

I think we should be looking to get as many of Newmans touches to Boyd as we can.

We haven’t seen the best of him yet. He is a long, powerful and penetrating kick who while being a downgrade in footy nous is a guy who with a clean run is moving into his 4th (or 5th?) year and should be ready to show everything he’s got.

He won’t be the same defensively as Newman but he has all the tools to cover his offensive output

Different positions > MM becomes NN & Boyd the distributor. Change the roles somewhat.

Boyd actually had a pretty good start to 2024 and was hitting targets but that dissipated from the early rounds, including a spell with injury. His kicking skills deserted him on his return for what is his 1-Wood as an AFL player (very top echelon when on-song for his foot skills)

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

While I don't disagree that Weitering is important, you can win a flag without a dominant key defender.

No you can't. Maybe not having a consistently dominant guy is fine but even the pies had a dominant key defender on the day. Brisbane - yes, Geelong - yes, richmond yes, hawks yes, earlier Geelong yes..... You need to win that battle to win grand final day basically every year

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

No you can't. Maybe not having a consistently dominant guy is fine but even the pies had a dominant key defender on the day. Brisbane - yes, Geelong - yes, richmond yes, hawks yes, earlier Geelong yes..... You need to win that battle to win grand final day basically every year

Pies pretty much lost 2018 off that factor alone. Darling and Kennedy got the Eagles back in the game and there was nothing the Pies could do to stop them with Langdon and Goldsack as their KPDs

 

[swuzzlebubble]

AFL top player ages

A Flourish data visualization by Sean Lawson

public.flourish.studio

The above link has a plot of the ages spread for each club's top 25

Here's a thumbnail but you can click on each dot in the live page to confirm who it is

 

[Red Bull]

 

[Gointocarlton]

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"Mazing"

 

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[skadoosh]

Saad adds one more at IKON Park

Adam Saad will remain in the Navy Blue until at least the end of 2026.

www.carltonfc.com.au

CARLTON defender Adam Saad will remain in the Navy Blue until at least the end of 2026, signing a one-year extension with the Club.

 

[lukep_86]

Woof! Love this

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Saad adds one more at IKON Park

Adam Saad will remain in the Navy Blue until at least the end of 2026.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Happy for Saad to get 1 year deals from here on out, but should be done at the end of the year that his current one runs out, not a year in advance. Not for someone of his age, with his soft tissue history.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Happy for Saad to get 1 year deals from here on out, but should be done at the end of the year that his current one runs out, not a year in advance. Not for someone of his age, with his soft tissue history.

Saad is 30 not 60.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Happy for Saad to get 1 year deals from here on out, but should be done at the end of the year that his current one runs out, not a year in advance. Not for someone of his age, with his soft tissue history.

At his age and ability hes not a guy that we need to wait till the end of the season to sign. Good to get it done early so we know how much money we have to play around with.

Interesting part is him taking a 1 year deal. The type you'd think would get at least 2, maybe even 3, but probably at a discount. My guess is the club is willing to pay him good money (similar to what he's currently on) for a 1 year, not a multi-year deal. And he's forgone security to maximise him paypacket. Backed himself in to win another contract after that.

 

[Gethelred]

No you can't. Maybe not having a consistently dominant guy is fine but even the pies had a dominant key defender on the day. Brisbane - yes, Geelong - yes, richmond yes, hawks yes, earlier Geelong yes..... You need to win that battle to win grand final day basically every year

Brisbane: Harris Andrews
Collingwood: Moore? Murphy?
Geelong: ??? Tom Stewart isn't a KPD, Henry, Blicavs, Kolodjashnij and Sam De Koning weren't dominant KPD.
Melbourne: May (and Lever; I really think Lever is just as important to them as May was, but it's a potato-potAto thing)
Richmond: Grimes? Not really KPD sized, and neither was Vlaustin. Astbury wasn't ever a dominant sort, and Balta was very young.
Richmond: Same deal, minus Balta.
West Coast: Tom Barrass is a quality player, but not a dominant one. McGovern wasn't and isn't an incredible one on one defender, and isn't KPP sized.
Richmond: Alex Rance, but very reliant on the ensemble to make it work as he could get exposed when forced to defend.
Western Bulldogs: ??? Joel Hamling, Easton Wood and Dale Morris formed the core of their ability to control the aerial ball entering back half, and not one of them was more dominant than the next.

Put simply, the group is more important than the individual, both during the H&A and finals.

Now, you can absolutely accuse me of being a bit selective statistically - why stop in 2016, when the team before them was Hawthorn and they had Lake - but Hawthorn and Collingwood under Malthouse both were the pioneers of the way we do defenses now. While Beverage created the defensive pivot - smaller KPD's with better disposal to intercept and go the vacant side, using JJ and Daniels to do it - which brought players like Moore, Rance and McGovern into prominence, they aren't the same player Weitering is.

Weitering is absolutely a key component to our side, and being without him on GF day would be a massive out. But he is not as essential IMO as the gamebreakers at the other end, Charlie and Harry, nor would his absence be as damaging as having to reconfigure our midfield.

It might be obvious to say it, but if our mids win on any given day, the defense is under less pressure.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Saad is 30 not 60.

He'll be 31 mid year. That's like 60 in dog sporting years. Seems to twinge a hammy every 2nd week and seemed hampered in a few games last year.
Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he plays on to a high level for a few years. Just think it's risky.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Brisbane: Harris Andrews
Collingwood: Moore? Murphy?
Geelong: ??? Tom Stewart isn't a KPD, Henry, Blicavs, Kolodjashnij and Sam De Koning weren't dominant KPD.
Melbourne: May (and Lever; I really think Lever is just as important to them as May was, but it's a potato-potAto thing)
Richmond: Grimes? Not really KPD sized, and neither was Vlaustin. Astbury wasn't ever a dominant sort, and Balta was very young.
Richmond: Same deal, minus Balta.
West Coast: Tom Barrass is a quality player, but not a dominant one. McGovern wasn't and isn't an incredible one on one defender, and isn't KPP sized.
Richmond: Alex Rance, but very reliant on the ensemble to make it work as he could get exposed when forced to defend.
Western Bulldogs: ??? Joel Hamling, Easton Wood and Dale Morris formed the core of their ability to control the aerial ball entering back half, and not one of them was more dominant than the next.

Put simply, the group is more important than the individual, both during the H&A and finals.

Now, you can absolutely accuse me of being a bit selective statistically - why stop in 2016, when the team before them was Hawthorn and they had Lake - but Hawthorn and Collingwood under Malthouse both were the pioneers of the way we do defenses now. While Beverage created the defensive pivot - smaller KPD's with better disposal to intercept and go the vacant side, using JJ and Daniels to do it - which brought players like Moore, Rance and McGovern into prominence, they aren't the same player Weitering is.

Weitering is absolutely a key component to our side, and being without him on GF day would be a massive out. But he is not as essential IMO as the gamebreakers at the other end, Charlie and Harry, nor would his absence be as damaging as having to reconfigure our midfield.

It might be obvious to say it, but if our mids win on any given day, the defense is under less pressure.

Brisbane - Harris Andrews
Collingwood - Moore + Murphy... Not sure why either is a question mark. Don't like them but were very good in 2023.
Geelong - Sam DeKoning was absolutely one of the best KPDs in the league in 2022. Regressed since then but he was phenomenal in 2022.
Melbourne - May + Lever
Richmond - Grimes made the AA squad as a KPD. 1-2cm shorter than a regular KPD but still locked down the best KPF's in the league on a weekly basis. Could play tall or small.
Richmond - Grimes made the AA team, same as above.
West Coast - Barass and McGovern is an absurdly good pairing. One of the best of all time. McGovern is also 197cm?
Richmond - Rance
Western Bulldogs - An anomaly in many many regards. No real gun KPF for most of the season either (Boyd played a great grand final)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

He'll be 31 mid year. That's like 60 in dog sporting years. Seems to twinge a hammy every 2nd week and seemed hampered in a few games last year.
Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he plays on to a high level for a few years. Just think it's risky.

It's a 1 year deal. It's literally the opposite of risky.

Also over the last 4 years he's averaged 21.5 games a season, so that observation is unfounded.

No issue with this decision by the club, risk is next to 0.