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[Arr0w]

I found today's "Gettable", on the AFL app, quite interesting.

From about the 12min mark Twomey discusses Trade/FA approach vs the draft.

Top 10 Brownlow 2024 - 1 not drafted by club.
14 club B&F winners drafted by club.
Top 21 vote getters in Players Assoc Award - 17 drafted by club.

Cripps, Serong, Gulden, Butters, McLuggage, Max Holmes, Merrett, Newcombe, A Brayshaw, Noah Anderson and N Daicos (FS but still drafted)

Trade/FA certainly has its place and needs to be done occasionally to fill areas of need, but primarily the best team's lists are built through the draft. Just gotta get the selections right.

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You certainly build your core of talent through the draft, trades fill a need with known talent

 

[Bale Dup]

You certainly build your core of talent through the draft, trades fill a need with known talent

Yep. Really like the way ours is building.
I've previously stated I'm quite satisfied with what Nick Austin's done since landing in 2020.
As was said when he joined us, the powers that be think he has what it takes to build a premiership list.
Imo his choices (with what he had to work with picks wise) have started to show something, albeit a small sample so far.
Just waiting to see the "fruit" ripen, so to speak.
Hopefully won't have to wait long. Next year would be nice



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[Arr0w]

Yep. Really like the way ours is building.
I've previously stated I'm quite satisfied with what Nick Austin's done since landing in 2020.
As was said when he joined us, the powers that be think he has what it takes to build a premiership list.
Imo his choices (with what he had to work with picks wise) have started to show something, albeit a small sample so far.
Just waiting to see the "fruit" ripen, so to speak.
Hopefully won't have to wait long. Next year would be nice



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I still see his selections as conservative, as in, players with high floors, but adding the likes of Moir and Lemney does improve that balance

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I still see his selections as conservative, ad in, players with high floors, but adding the likes of Moir and Lemney does improve that balance

I never saw Lemmey as a high ceiling type despite him being rated highly a year out from the draft. His athletic profile is too limited for mine.

 

[Bale Dup]

I still see his selections as conservative, ad in, players with high floors, but adding the likes of Moir and Lemney does improve that balance

Fair enough
Just curious what you mean by conservative and high floors.
Are there any particular players around the picks Austin has had, that you would have preferred, for us?

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[Arr0w]

Fair enough
Just curious what you mean by conservative and high floors.
Are there any particular players around the picks Austin has had, that you would have preferred, for us?

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High floors as in less of a bust, which is a good thing, but might limit the ceiling

I would have taken Weddle ahead of Ollie, but maybe the plan was to target his brother as well.

Hewett too, bur concede that he might be a flight risk

Happy with Cowan, but preferred others ahead of him and Binns

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[Coona Blues]

I never saw Lemmey as a high ceiling type despite him being rated highly a year out from the draft. His athletic profile is too limited for mine.

Lemmey remains an intriguing and pivotal piece of our list management “puzzle”

 

[Bale Dup]

High floors as in less of a bust, which is a good thing, but might limit the ceiling

I would have taken Weddle ahead of Ollie, but maybe the plan was to target his brother as well.

Hewett too, bur concede that he might be a flight risk

Happy with Cowan, but preferred others ahead of him and Binns

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FWIW I really wanted Weddle too but happy with OH as long as he continues to track the way he is. Bit more core strength and size would be nice, whilst still maintaining agility etc
That's where Innes comes in. Our whole teams core strength is not the same as the top sides. Wasn't surprised by his comment about that when he first assessed us on joining. I saw it throughout the season.
OH would want to come on coz I reckon Weddle will be a

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[BigFrizz36]

High floors as in less of a bust, which is a good thing, but might limit the ceiling

I would have taken Weddle ahead of Ollie, but maybe the plan was to target his brother as well.

Hewett too, bur concede that he might be a flight risk

Happy with Cowan, but preferred others ahead of him and Binns

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To be fair it wasn't really Hollands or Weddle. There were another 6 picks taken after Hollands before Weddle was taken and at pick 18 everyone pretty much had a chance to take him.

Weddle has a bit of "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane" about him at times although he got a bit better as the season progressed.

Ollie will surprise many. He's a very professional young man.

 

[Arr0w]

To be fair it wasn't really Hollands or Weddle. There were another 6 picks taken after Hollands before Weddle was taken and at pick 18 everyone pretty much had a chance to take him.

Weddle has a bit of "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane" about him at times although he got a bit better as the season progressed.

Ollie will surprise many. He's a very professional young man.

I don't go on where players are taken or projected to be taken, just purely how I see quality of player

 

[Jimmae]

The best players arent allowed to be as good as they are - because coaches have duped the AFL into more on the bench more more more more!!!

Why should better athletes not be allowed to show how they have greater endurance - why allow bench rotations to counter individual differences?

We watch sport to admire those who are better than the average plodder not to watch average plodders dominate screen time due to numbers.

Seems like you're advocating for a system that inevitably gives more plodders a chance.

Lemmey remains an intriguing and pivotal piece of our list management “puzzle”

He remains a player who seemingly cannot improve his endurance, and with it his consistency. If he can't dominate the VFL this year, he's done.

 

[BlueTongue]

I don't go on where players are taken or projected to be taken, just purely how I see quality of player

And if you are Drafting for your clubs future, that is exactly how it should be.

 

[Tjblues]

High floors as in less of a bust, which is a good thing, but might limit the ceiling

I would have taken Weddle ahead of Ollie, but maybe the plan was to target his brother as well.

Hewett too, bur concede that he might be a flight risk

Happy with Cowan, but preferred others ahead of him and Binns

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Weddle has everything to be a star, and there’s always room for players of that calibre but I think hollands suited list needs better at the time.

Hewett would have been a home run swing for sure. Shame his body seems to be a major concern

 

[Michael Jezz]

I found today's "Gettable", on the AFL app, quite interesting.

From about the 12min mark Twomey discusses Trade/FA approach vs the draft.

Top 10 Brownlow 2024 - 1 not drafted by club.
14 club B&F winners drafted by club.
Top 21 vote getters in Players Assoc Award - 17 drafted by club.

Cripps, Serong, Gulden, Butters, McLuggage, Max Holmes, Merrett, Newcombe, A Brayshaw, Noah Anderson and N Daicos (FS but still drafted)

Trade/FA certainly has its place and needs to be done occasionally to fill areas of need, but primarily the best team's lists are built through the draft. Just gotta get the selections right.

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That is the central reason I have been critical of Austin until now & why I support him, this year.

 

[Michael Jezz]

FWIW I really wanted Weddle too but happy with OH as long as he continues to track the way he is. Bit more core strength and size would be nice, whilst still maintaining agility etc
That's where Innes comes in. Our whole teams core strength is not the same as the top sides. Wasn't surprised by his comment about that when he first assessed us on joining. I saw it throughout the season.
OH would want to come on coz I reckon Weddle will be a

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It would take 2 preseasons to develop core strength. Core strength is a slower build

 

[Arr0w]

Weddle has everything to be a star, and there’s always room for players of that calibre but I think hollands suited list needs better at the time.

Hewett would have been a home run swing for sure. Shame his body seems to be a major concern

Weddle could easily play on a wing I believe, in fact, pretty much anywhere

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Weddle looks like the one that got away and well done to Hawthorn for being so aggressive chasing him.
To me Hollands still looks a really good pick. To this point Only Weddle and probably Jones look better than him in the next 20 plus picks.(ignoring FS)

 

[Arr0w]

My boy Dowling goes okay too

 

[Tjblues]

Weddle could easily play on a wing I believe, in fact, pretty much anywhere

He’s a bit of a unicorn in that his athleticism allows him to be versatile.

Certainly in the short term I reckon he’d get a bit of the Sidebottom vs Cottrell treatment and be caught out too often on a wing.

Anyway both he and OHollands look like 200 gamers so it’s hard to complain about the outstanding pick when we still got a beauty

 

[DangerousD]

The numbers point to everyone getting fixture fatigue, players and patrons alike. There's a physiological limit to all of this that's really hard to move past, and they've found it.

The more they and the clubs grind down the game to a consistent performance, the more boring it becomes for a lot of spectators too. Take a look at the state of cricket in Australia to see exactly what happens.

Make it fun for everyone again: re-jig the All-Australian selection to allow for some fan voting, then turn out a bigger squad and form an all-star game.

Go back to an extra structured pre-season game, prod the broadcasters to do something vaguely educational and innovative with their production instead of letting the boys club play around with a digital whiteboard or trying desperately to copy ESPN.

If the game hadn't shifted towards favouring mobility again - something that was long overdue tactically - we'd probably be sitting here talking about how boring it's become, and we almost still are.

I really like the ideas and they would be great, I wonder though if the AFL looks at the Europe and sees their football clubs playing about 70 matches per season and thinking there’s plenty of room to move before we hit spectator fatigue.

I see your point but the noise about a play off game isn’t going away and looks to be getting closer, that will give the AFL matches during the NRLs final round.

 

[DangerousD]

The best players arent allowed to be as good as they are - because coaches have duped the AFL into more on the bench more more more more!!!

Why should better athletes not be allowed to show how they have greater endurance - why allow bench rotations to counter individual differences?

We watch sport to admire those who are better than the average plodder not to watch average plodders dominate screen time due to numbers.

I dont know how the narrative has shifted now to needing 5 on the bench, you can see it happening, someone gets injured and clubs will scream they are disadvantaged.

What would you like to see?

 

[Jimmae]

I really like the ideas and they would be great, I wonder though if the AFL looks at the Europe and sees their football clubs playing about 70 matches per season and thinking there’s plenty of room to move before we hit spectator fatigue.

I see your point but the noise about a play off game isn’t going away and looks to be getting closer, that will give the AFL matches during the NRLs final round.

Soccer games are 25% shorter, with about half the high intensity work, 70% of the distance covered, and first choice players make about 30-40 appearances a season.

The workload is about the same, arguably lighter.

 

[JustaBattler]

I dont know how the narrative has shifted now to needing 5 on the bench, you can see it happening, someone gets injured and clubs will scream they are disadvantaged.

What would you like to see?

18 players - no bench rotations and one sub for injury.

if coaches want to play a run around like headless chooks and play for jo the goose strategies let them wear their players out ion the first quarter or two and see the other team win by 15 goals.

if list managers want to pick kids who can run all day but cant kick a football or lay a tackle - good luck with that BS too.

let the true stars be stars again - instead of cannon fodder for triple teaming them with plodders

and stop the BS about not enough talent to go around all the Clubs.


ive watched Rugby league destroyed by what HQ has done over the last 15 years turning into a boring battle between two sides full of nucke dragging brickshthouses
Rugby destroyed by technicalities that no one can decipher anymore and the adoption of straight lines

AFL is being strangled into the same black hole of rubbishness at an accelerating rate - by a bunch of accountants.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Soccer games are 25% shorter, with about half the high intensity work, 70% of the distance covered, and first choice players make about 30-40 appearances a season.

The workload is about the same, arguably lighter.

They also don’t get crunched by 6’4, 93kg blokes moving at pace.
One Crippa tackle & u would have to bring a fleet of ambulance’s onto the pitch as whole team would go down & not get up

 

[The Bighouse]

FWIW I really wanted Weddle too but happy with OH as long as he continues to track the way he is. Bit more core strength and size would be nice, whilst still maintaining agility etc
That's where Innes comes in. Our whole teams core strength is not the same as the top sides. Wasn't surprised by his comment about that when he first assessed us on joining. I saw it throughout the season.
OH would want to come on coz I reckon Weddle will be a

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Do we have a welcome to Carlton interview with Rob Inness?