List Mgmt. 2025 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[danster168]

No I'm not happy. I don't want to lose Trac. One of our best players and biggest professional. We need people in the joint to show the young players how to prep and train properly.

I don't want to lose Pickett either but that almost seems a given now.

Oliver I couldn't care less about. We will be lucky to get a first rounder at this rate unless we are paying a lot of his salary.

Petracca is in my bad books. His actions were extremely narcissistic. He put himself before the team. How does he call himself a leader yet demand a trade to Carlton only to go radio silent when all the fans wanted assurance. I'm sure a lot of the playing group lost respect for him. And a lot of the disruption is due to petracca's antics. yes, there was injury mis-management but people are dealing with stuff much more significant than what he went through. That's just life and he had no perspective in that moment. That's just my opinion on the matter.

Yep, Oliver's contract is huge but his season has been better than Petracca anyway and I think we should be respecting a 4 time Bnf winner a bit more. And as professional as Trac has been, he's never been professional enough to fix his goal kicking accuracy.

 

[danster168]

**** oath

Throw in Sparrow, Fritsch, Petty, Spargo and Salem as well for a few 3rd rounders and I will be a happy man.

Hawks pushed out there trash (Omeara and Mitchell) for trash picks and look how that’s worked out for them. We need to do the same.

We think exactly the same. I'd take it. It gives us direction and hope.

We're 5-10 years from being relevant again. We need to replace Gawn, May, Lever, find a key forward, 2-3 small forwards (assuming Pickett leaves) and some mids with leg speed. So that's years of drafting. Start now, be aggressive and be bold.

 

[Demon 16]

I love Kozzy, but we would be adding capital for Treacy in that hypothetical, not the other way around. Treacy's 22, will be challenging for the Coleman for the next decade, and plays the most valuable position there is in terms of trade capital.

Subtract Treacy from their team and add Koz, and they become instantly worse, despite how good Pickett is.

Like I said, I’m expecting Kozzie to break into the genuine elite of the comp this year.

I might be wrong. But if I’m right, his value is going going to be extremely high towards the end of the year. I am predicting he will be more valuable than Treacy (who will also increase in value) by a decent margin actually.

Will be happy to own it if I’m wrong.

 

[Demon 16]

How do people watch footy and still not understand when you lose a player, bro high chance you're 'losing' the trade and there's nothing you can do about it.

I literally said “I reckon a fair trade is a top 5 pick, or a decent player (say, Treacy plus a pick in the mid teens).

Do I think we’ll get that, probably not.”

Apologies if you weren’t referring to my post.

 

[danster168]

Like I said, I’m expecting Kozzie to break into the genuine elite of the comp this year.

I might be wrong. But if I’m right, his value is going going to be extremely high towards the end of the year. I am predicting he will be more valuable than Treacy (who will also increase in value) by a decent margin actually.

Will be happy to own it if I’m wrong.

for Pickett to be worth more than Treacy, Pickett would need to either average 25+ touches a game or kick 50+ goals. Treacy is flying

 

[Demon 16]

for Pickett to be worth more than Treacy, Pickett would need to either average 25+ touches a game or kick 50+ goals. Treacy is flying

Let’s watch Kozzies year - I’m genuinely expecting him to become a top 25 player of the comp and potentially our best.

Agree Treacy is becoming super, they are both the prototype of the players we need another of.

 

[Topkent]

I know you’re comfortable with a good debate and calling others out so you won’t take this personally TK, so every time you think about telling someone that they’ve made the dumbest post you’ve ever read, come back to this and have a good think.

No personal insult taken, for me personally i would be over the moon if he retired tomorrow. I despise watching him half arse run around in that jumper and I get less enjoyment watching the footy when he's playing. He's such a big figure in the center of the ground it effects the way we can play and he has no other position on the ground he can play. Id be more than happy to lose him for nothing

Id agree it's a dumb post if I thought it's what would happen, but this is what I WANT to happen.

 

[Headless]

Petracca is in my bad books. His actions were extremely narcissistic. He put himself before the team. How does he call himself a leader yet demand a trade to Carlton only to go radio silent when all the fans wanted assurance. I'm sure a lot of the playing group lost respect for him. And a lot of the disruption is due to petracca's antics. yes, there was injury mis-management but people are dealing with stuff much more significant than what he went through. That's just life and he had no perspective in that moment. That's just my opinion on the matter.

Yep, Oliver's contract is huge but his season has been better than Petracca anyway and I think we should be respecting a 4 time Bnf winner a bit more. And as professional as Trac has been, he's never been professional enough to fix his goal kicking accuracy.

Feel this is potentially underselling what happened with Petracca. Saying "that's just life" when by all reports it almost wasn't feels pretty rough. Hard to know what he and his family went through.

 

[markm106]

Would people be happy with losing Pickett, Petracca, and Oliver and bringing in 5 first round picks?

2 for Pickett, 2 for Trac and 1 for Oliver.

When you’re looking at the 2 picks each for Trac and Kozzy they are likely to be later firsts. With academy players and f/s you’re looking at around the 20th best talent in the draft onwards. Assuming Kozzy would want to get to Freo and Trac a competing club like Collingwood. It’s just not worth it, particularly for contracted players.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Would people be happy with losing Pickett, Petracca, and Oliver and bringing in 5 first round picks?

2 for Pickett, 2 for Trac and 1 for Oliver.

Keep Petracca and Pickett, trade Oliver.

 

[Lampers]

**** oath

Throw in Sparrow, Fritsch, Petty, Spargo and Salem as well for a few 3rd rounders and I will be a happy man.

Hawks pushed out there trash (Omeara and Mitchell) for trash picks and look how that’s worked out for them. We need to do the same.

I reckon there’s a tonne of revisionist history about the Hawks.

I’ve heard how smart they were pushing out Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell. MITCHELL! The guy who is the current coach and effectively punted Clarkson.

How Mitchell is somehow getting a level of credit to moving himself on I can’t fathom. It was a completely different regime that was trying to top up to contend. They basically spent the best part of seven years being mediocre to rubbish post moving on Lewis, Hodge and Mitchell.

They had a lot of relatively high draft picks due to being rubbish, got lucky with Newcombe, and then did some clever free agency and trade pickups (similar to Melbourne with Lever, May, Langdon) to fill some specific list needs.

When Hawthorn moved on O’Meara and Mitchell and Wingard (through injury) they already had the bones of their current team - which by the way has achieved absolutely nothing of any note yet - through several years of drafting at the pointy end. Moving those guys on was more about creating opportunity for the next generation.

Melbourne can follow that Hawthorn path, but it’s by no means been a quick fix. Does Melbourne have the players who can be better than Oliver, Trac, Viney etc. on the list now? I don’t think those guys are there.

 

[Bluelegs]

I reckon there’s a tonne of revisionist history about the Hawks.

I’ve heard how smart they were pushing out Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell. MITCHELL! The guy who is the current coach and effectively punted Clarkson.

How Mitchell is somehow getting a level of credit to moving himself on I can’t fathom. It was a completely different regime that was trying to top up to contend. They basically spent the best part of seven years being mediocre to rubbish post moving on Lewis, Hodge and Mitchell.

They had a lot of relatively high draft picks due to being rubbish, got lucky with Newcombe, and then did some clever free agency and trade pickups (similar to Melbourne with Lever, May, Langdon) to fill some specific list needs.

When Hawthorn moved on O’Meara and Mitchell and Wingard (through injury) they already had the bones of their current team - which by the way has achieved absolutely nothing of any note yet - through several years of drafting at the pointy end. Moving those guys on was more about creating opportunity for the next generation.

Melbourne can follow that Hawthorn path, but it’s by no means been a quick fix. Does Melbourne have the players who can be better than Oliver, Trac, Viney etc. on the list now? I don’t think those guys are there.

Think he's talking about Tom Mitchell.

 

[The Dr]

Keep Petracca and Pickett, trade Oliver.

That'd be the ideal scenario.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Feel this is potentially underselling what happened with Petracca. Saying "that's just life" when by all reports it almost wasn't feels pretty rough. Hard to know what he and his family went through.

In my head to paraphrase Dan a little.

'The club is in my bad books. Their actions where completely negligent. The Club put winning a football game above player welfare. How does do the club call themselves leaders when they went completely radio silent communicating to the family when they needed assurances.'

Lets underplay the seriousness of it though because there are people in the world going through worse things. Yes there are but that still doesn't diminish what happened to the individual. He could have died for ffs, and yes it's the words 'could have' that's still a very HUGE could have. That's not something you just process easily and go, well better get on with it.

 

[Topkent]

Yep, Oliver's contract is huge but his season has been better than Petracca anyway and I think we should be respecting a 4 time Bnf winner a bit more. And as professional as Trac has been, he's never been professional enough to fix his goal kicking accuracy.

How do people let this rubbish through lol

Olivers shit. Been shit for 2 years and deserves more respect than petracca even though tracs got multiple AAs and a normy he deserves none.

Then talks about goal accuracy even though tracs got a better accuracy than shit campaigner Oliver.

Basically school principal from Billy Madison we're all dumber gif

 

[danster168]

Feel this is potentially underselling what happened with Petracca. Saying "that's just life" when by all reports it almost wasn't feels pretty rough. Hard to know what he and his family went through.

True. But it also may not be. The reports on how life threatening his issues were at the hospital were mixed at best. There's so many conflicting reports. Some even said that it was miscommunication. Regardless, he wouldn't be the only player dealing with serious issues, whether it be mental health or other physical issues. There would be players that have gone through far more serious things currently on our list that we're probably not aware of. Remember when Ricky Petterd actually had a collapsed lung and he was apparently minutes away from death. You didn't hear him sacking key staff and holding the club to ransom in a trade etc.

I just think it was emotionally immature of Petracca to throw the whole club under the bus because he didn't get the attention heft that was warranted.

I basically just don't believe Petracca. I'm sure all the players got around him. I bet if we checked his phone there were probably a hundred texts from the playing group around the time of the injury. I'm sure the coaches would've shown him some love too. So I just don't believe him. Anyway, this is old news now.

 

[Demon Attack]

Petracca is a bloody hero for getting Roffey and Pert the boot, let alone being our only Norm Smith Medallist.

If you don't believe he was in ICU and couldn't get his heart rate above a certain threshold for months and wasn't allowed visitors well that's on you. I hope he stays with us for his entire career.

 

[Lampers]

Think he's talking about Tom Mitchell.

I realise danster168 meant Tom Mitchell, I guess my response wasn’t specifically to danster’s post.

In general I’ve heard the Hawks lauded for moving on their veterans from the 3peat, and then again with T.Mitchell and O’Meara like it’s the blueprint to success.

It’s not. Not yet anyway.

Hawks topped up first time around and failed dismally. Then they discarded their top ups only after sacking their coach and they had mostly high draft pick replacement players waiting in the wings.

They had a blip in 2018 where they made finals with their top up approach, but were in the wilderness approaching a decade.

It just grinds my gears that the Hawks are held out as having done a great job when in reality they stuffed it badly first attempt. And they’ve achieved less than Melbourne did in 2018 so far, but are being talked about like some sort of super team. To me they have a nice even team but lack game winning star power players. Day seems the closest and he’s forever injured, and then Sicily but he’s aging.

Anyway, back to Melbourne. This really needs to be a Board led thing at this point. Either they believe this team is a tweak away from contending so they back Goodwin in (they’d need rocks in their head to believe that) or they can see there’s at least a minor rebuild required in which case Goodwin can’t be the man.

As for draft and trade strategy, that Board decision on direction comes first. Then how the list is managed flows from there.

 

[Bluelegs]

I realise danster168 meant Tom Mitchell, I guess my response wasn’t specifically to danster’s post.

In general I’ve heard the Hawks lauded for moving on their veterans from the 3peat, and then again with T.Mitchell and O’Meara like it’s the blueprint to success.

It’s not. Not yet anyway.

Hawks topped up first time around and failed dismally. Then they discarded their top ups only after sacking their coach and they had mostly high draft pick replacement players waiting in the wings.

They had a blip in 2018 where they made finals with their top up approach, but were in the wilderness approaching a decade.

It just grinds my gears that the Hawks are held out as having done a great job when in reality they stuffed it badly first attempt. And they’ve achieved less than Melbourne did in 2018 so far, but are being talked about like some sort of super team. To me they have a nice even team but lack game winning star power players. Day seems the closest and he’s forever injured, and then Sicily but he’s aging.

Anyway, back to Melbourne. This really needs to be a Board led thing at this point. Either they believe this team is a tweak away from contending so they back Goodwin in (they’d need rocks in their head to believe that) or they can see there’s at least a minor rebuild required in which case Goodwin can’t be the man.

As for draft and trade strategy, that Board decision on direction comes first. Then how the list is managed flows from there.

I tend to agree with what you're saying about their top up era. Once they actually embraced the rebuild the Hawks have been able to find good players eep into the draft and have also recruited really intelligently to get to where they are now. I do think they deserve their kudos for the run they've gone on since last year and despite a lot of people thinking they'd fall back a little they have improved and are so far looking like a genuine contender for the flag. When you consider that they started their rebuild after both North and Adelaide it's hard not to be impressed at their trajectory.

 

[Demon 16]

No personal insult taken, for me personally i would be over the moon if he retired tomorrow. I despise watching him half arse run around in that jumper and I get less enjoyment watching the footy when he's playing. He's such a big figure in the center of the ground it effects the way we can play and he has no other position on the ground he can play. Id be more than happy to lose him for nothing

Id agree it's a dumb post if I thought it's what would happen, but this is what I WANT to happen.

I’m (finally) in the camp that it wouldn’t hurt to move him on. And to be fair, most of the time I was resistant to it was purely because his value was so low.

He’s definitely got better than the last few years now and he’s been training like a mad man again so I’m expecting him to improve further.

If we pay a good whack of his contract for 3 years, we’ll get a decent pick for him mate.

If we can secure decent trades, I’d be up for moving Oliver, Fritsch and possibly Lever as I reckon they’re the ones likely to still have a bit of value.

There are a bunch of peripheral ones too but I just don’t think we’d get anything decent for them that would help us reset the list with a couple more early picks.

 

[danster168]

Petracca is a bloody hero for getting Roffey and Pert the boot, let alone being our only Norm Smith Medallist.

If you don't believe he was in ICU and couldn't get his heart rate above a certain threshold for months and wasn't allowed visitors well that's on you. I hope he stays with us for his entire career.

I do believe in all of the heart rate stuff and in ICU. I'm not saying it wasn't a terrible thing to go through. But delve into the personal lives of all 44 players on the list and many players would have had traumatic life experiences.

I just don't buy for one second that his teammates weren't extremely supportive during that time. I blame a lot of 2025 on Petracca's antics. That's just me. After demanding a trade, so aggressively, his position in the team was almost untenable to me.

More than happy to move him on. First priority. But we can disagree on this and that's fine

 

[SugarHealey]

Petracca is in my bad books. His actions were extremely narcissistic. He put himself before the team. How does he call himself a leader yet demand a trade to Carlton only to go radio silent when all the fans wanted assurance. I'm sure a lot of the playing group lost respect for him. And a lot of the disruption is due to petracca's antics. yes, there was injury mis-management but people are dealing with stuff much more significant than what he went through. That's just life and he had no perspective in that moment. That's just my opinion on the matter.

Yep, Oliver's contract is huge but his season has been better than Petracca anyway and I think we should be respecting a 4 time Bnf winner a bit more. And as professional as Trac has been, he's never been professional enough to fix his goal kicking accuracy.

Wow...

 

[Dancing Potato]

I do believe in all of the heart rate stuff and in ICU. I'm not saying it wasn't a terrible thing to go through. But delve into the personal lives of all 44 players on the list and many players would have had traumatic life experiences.

I just don't buy for one second that his teammates weren't extremely supportive during that time. I blame a lot of 2025 on Petracca's antics. That's just me. After demanding a trade, so aggressively, his position in the team was almost untenable to me.

More than happy to move him on. First priority. But we can disagree on this and that's fine

I think the key difference you're overlooking here is the traumatic life experience for Trac happed at his workplace, while performing his work, and then the subsequent communication from his workplace while he recovered. Absolutely zero surprise he would consider changing where he works after something like that. We all would.

Other player's traumatic experiences in their personal lives aren't really comparable when it comes to how Petracca dealt with it.

 

[SugarHealey]

Wtf does Tim Lamb do then? Contracts? Been terrible. Attracting talent? Terrible. And if he's not making any decisions, then why is he employed? I don't think Goodwin or Richardson will last the season. I just hope Lamb goes not long after.

Lamb choice cut for Dees Apr 11, 2012, https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/130821/lamb-choice-cut-for-dees ​

Melbourne has appointed Tim Lamb as a national recruiting officer.

Lamb will report to Todd Viney - general manager of player personnel and strategy - who will act as national recruiting manager in 2012.

Lamb joins Gary Burleigh as Melbourne’s full-time national recruiting managers. Both Lamb and Burleigh will report to Viney.

Viney said the appointment of Lamb strengthened the club’s talent identification department.

“We’ve made a full-time appointment to our recruiting department and our resources with the addition of Tim Lamb, who has been a senior officer in the Victoria Police force for 22 years,” he told melbournefc.com.au.

“He’s also coached football and been part of the elite junior pathway talent program. He’s been an assistant coach of the Vic Metro team for the last two years, and has been an assistant coach at Sandringham Dragons, and has also coached Mentone/St Bedes in the past.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Lamb choice cut for Dees Apr 11, 2012, https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/130821/lamb-choice-cut-for-dees ​

Melbourne has appointed Tim Lamb as a national recruiting officer.

Lamb will report to Todd Viney - general manager of player personnel and strategy - who will act as national recruiting manager in 2012.

Lamb joins Gary Burleigh as Melbourne’s full-time national recruiting managers. Both Lamb and Burleigh will report to Viney.

Viney said the appointment of Lamb strengthened the club’s talent identification department.

“We’ve made a full-time appointment to our recruiting department and our resources with the addition of Tim Lamb, who has been a senior officer in the Victoria Police force for 22 years,” he told melbournefc.com.au.

“He’s also coached football and been part of the elite junior pathway talent program. He’s been an assistant coach of the Vic Metro team for the last two years, and has been an assistant coach at Sandringham Dragons, and has also coached Mentone/St Bedes in the past.

That was 2012. His role has changed since Viney left.