No Oppo Supporters 2025 AFL General Discussion

[Bloods86]

The last time the Eagles lost a generational player they got a 700+ goalkicker in return, not too shabby.

Yes, it can be offset sometimes.

LP1 is holding up Reid as a generational player as something that overrides getting several players with still high picks.

So the fact they are "generational", i.e. a standout over a decent period (not sure we have an exact definition), then it's cold comfort if you don't get adequate return if they leave. If you do via one player, then they may not have been as "generational" as claimed, or you might offset the loss by several players (which is kind of the point in considering packaged pick offers in the first place).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Generational is no good if the player leaves, which is yet to be seen, but not looking ideal for the Eagles. And there's been generational players before without enough support in teams, so if he does stay we'll see if the Eagles have drafted (and developed) well enough elsewhere.

The same thing occurred with Chris Judd they got Kennedy in return…least you half realised that 3 average mid teens picks wasn’t cutting it though. The Dees offer was closer but they get the same this year even if he does leave (he won’t)

 

[Nool Carpenna]

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Are you saying what those of us that have zero interest in draft and trade hypotheticals are thinking?

 

[Bloods86]

The same thing occurred with Chris Judd they got Kennedy in return…least you half realised that 3 average mid teens picks wasn’t cutting it though. The Dees offer was closer but they get the same this year even if he does leave (he won’t)

I'm not sure I'm the one who has changed my position in this exchange...

Again... if they get the same sort of package this year (or next when his contract expires), they've just lost a couple of years worth of developing several players in their rebuild. If your aim is to rebuild and get back into contention sooner rather than later, this would matter.

And if Kennedy offset Judd completely or mostly, then maybe Judd wasn't as "generational" as thought.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Considering yes but no I wouldn’t as Reid is generational. Still would take 1 other draft. If it was 6,11 and f1 for 1, then yes possibly assuming nothing else is sent with the 1

If we ever had Pick 1, we'd promptly use it on the next Jack Watts.



And then find the next Adam Goodes at pick 40.

 

[The King!]

Not risking my tip, but Carlton, sneaky chance

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Not risking my tip, but Carlton, sneaky chance

Once burned, twice shy. It’s how I feel about tipping Port Adelaide

 

[caesar88]

I hate that 90% of AFL players I see all over my social media are either average players who are "cHaRaCtErS" or average players with silly hair styles.

Like that is really all it takes to be a big deal in this sport.

 

[hairy biker]

Being reported that Oscar Allen addressed the players at WCE earlier and is remorseful and ashamed but will continue on as co-captain.

Seriously the clubs/players put out a load of guff.

As Adam Simpson said earlier in the week all the clubs meet with players from other teams and he admitted he'd met with the captain of another club in an effort to get him to WCE.

Allen is a RFA at the end of the season and it would be remiss of him not to at least listen to what someone like Sam Mitchell had to say.

'Remorseful and ashamed' that the meeting was made public and a mea culpa to satisfy the baying hounds in the media.

EDIT;
And yes a certain star player from the Swans putting out a video about a suspension does definitely fall under the definition of guff.

 

[caesar88]

Seriously the clubs/players put out a load of guff.

As Adam Simpson said earlier in the week all the clubs meet with players from other teams and he admitted he'd met with the captain of another club in an effort to get him to WCE.

Allen is a RFA at the end of the season and it would be remiss of him not to at least listen to what someone like Sam Mitchell had to say.

'Remorseful and ashamed' that the meeting was made public and a mea culpa to satisfy the baying hounds in the media.

EDIT;
And yes a certain star player from the Swans putting out a video about a suspension does definitely fall under the definition of guff.

It's all very over the top. I half expected Allen to tell us that he did not have sexual relations with that woman.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Not risking my tip, but Carlton, sneaky chance

Generally every week they have more to play for than the opposition.

0-4 is pretty much curtains on how demanding and even the game is and Carlton are nowhere near good enough to go on a 8-10 game winning streak.

 

[bedford]

It's not worth taking way under the odds and that's what you are asking WCE to do. What deal should they have taken, actually tell us a club, and what they could have offered and if it's the North deal it was terrible. I've already said if they got pick 3 plus lets say pick 18 or whatever plus a swap the next draft (say their third for north's second) that would be about right, but none of picks 2/3 were on the table.

You are asking WCE to be like our blokes taking unders, sure it can work one in 5, the other 4 times though...

You 2 need to go to the draft thread , podium is on the line

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You 2 need to go to the draft thread , podium is on the line

But you are the favourite on BedBet lol

 

[bedford]

But you are the favourite on BedBet lol

Really got nowhere did it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

When do we play Carlton lol

 

[Ticky009]

AFL responds after two men allegedly bring loaded guns into MCG

Victoria Police have charged two men after loaded firearms were found in the MCG during an AFL game between traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton

www.afl.com.au

 

[Kiama Chris]

AFL responds after two men allegedly bring loaded guns into MCG

Victoria Police have charged two men after loaded firearms were found in the MCG during an AFL game between traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton

www.afl.com.au

Snap

 

[bedford]

AFL responds after two men allegedly bring loaded guns into MCG

Victoria Police have charged two men after loaded firearms were found in the MCG during an AFL game between traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton

www.afl.com.au

1 security guard stuffed up , was probably on his phone watching the IPL
The good thing is that they were caught before incident

 

[bedford]

Sam Edmund on SEN just praised the Northern Academies for what they do for footy and putting down the St Scums prez comments . No wonder i hate them

 

[Ticky009]

1 security guard stuffed up , was probably on his phone watching the IPL
The good thing is that they were caught before incident

They were only caught because the arseholes were causing trouble and refused to leave - then the cops were called to eject them and found the guns.

 

[bedford]

They were only caught because the arseholes were causing trouble and refused to leave - then the cops were called to eject them and found the guns.

How good though. I was at a mates funeral and a mate there is heavily involved with the security and before we knew this was happening he said we are upgrading the security with quite a few ex cops as they just have to keep improving

 

[Callipygian]

The bolded I just cannot agree with and is where I think West Coast went wrong.

In the last twenty years, pick 1s have produced two premiership players - Cam Rayner & Tom Boyd (neither All Australians)

Pretty good return. But in the first 35 picks of each draft, it's matched by picks 6, 8, 16, 20, 21, 32 and 35. All those picks have produced the same number of premiership players as pick 1.

Picks 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33 & 34 have all produced more premiership players than pick 1.

And that is just in the first 35 picks of each draft. I couldn't be arsed going further.

I think Harley Reid looks a promising player. I don't know that I can say with much confidence that he will have a better career than guys like Colby McKercher, Nick Watson, Caleb Windsor, Daniel Curtin, Ethan Read, Nate Caddy, Connor O'Sullivan, Darcy Wilson, Will Graham, Lance Collard, Logan Morris, Hugo Garcia, Archie Roberts, Calsher Dear, Harvey Thomas or Lawson Humphries, all promising young players who were also taken in the same draft.

This is not me saying that if you have pick 1 you should just automatically trade it for a pick 3 or pick 26 (six premiership players each in the last twenty drafts.) I just think you can never be so narrow-minded as to think the number one pick and the guy you get with it is the be all that ends all. The number one pick rarely ends up the best player from his draft, so I think for West Coast to go all-in on one player when they could've had two or three instead, was incredibly stupid and foolish by them.

And they did go all in on Reid. I mean FFS they finished 18th with a percentage of 53% and didn't have another pick after Reid until pick 30. Absolute buffoonery.

One major problem with this analysis is that it overlooks that pick 1 goes to the team that finished last so you might expect that they would be furthest (or at least far) from a premiership. Plus one player cannot win a premiership alone. I think Coaches' MVP votes, B&F positions, AA selections etc would be better yardsticks of player quality.

 

[liz]

Your argument seems to use a healthy dose of hindsight to make it work. You're essentially arguing that Cameron as a quality pick up late in the draft is the rule not the exception and WCE should have been happy to take late picks because they can be confident of picking up a player of Cameron's quality.

Which is rubbish.

They actually drafted Cameron's younger brother a couple of years ago. He barely lasted a year in the system before realising his motivation to play at the highest level wasn't really there.

 

[caesar88]

One major problem with this analysis is that it overlooks that pick 1 goes to the team that finished last so you might expect that they would be furthest (or at least far) from a premiership. Plus one player cannot win a premiership alone. I think Coaches' MVP votes, B&F positions, AA selections etc would be better yardsticks of player quality.

The points you make are exactly why I chose 'premierships won' as the metric, over all of those individual accolades. A team that's finished last, is the furthest away from a premiership, and in possession of pick 1, should be trying to build a premiership-winning list, not focusing on who will get the most Brownlow votes or All Australians.

One player cannot win a premiership alone, so why go all in on one player?

 

[liz]

AFL responds after two men allegedly bring loaded guns into MCG

Victoria Police have charged two men after loaded firearms were found in the MCG during an AFL game between traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton

www.afl.com.au

The security at the MCG is many times tighter than at the SCG. I have someone take a cursory look in my bag. They never rummage around. Then I walk to the ticket gate, past the guys with the wands who always ignore me, and walk into the ground. If I had any interest in bringing a gun into the SCG it would be pretty easy, I reckon.

In contrast, I don't think I've entered the MCG over the last (at least) five years without being wanded down. Everyone is. And they search bags more thoroughly too.

The only time I have been wanded at the SCG was when entering through the Members' area gate to watch an AFLW practice game, with a total crowd of a couple of hundred. I guess the thought process was that, since it was possible to wand every patron, they might as well do so, rather than any assessment of risk. Go figure.