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Saintscomemarchingin said:
I don't get it, Lyon has openly said since he arrived that he wants a different game plan with speed. But the old game plan certainly looks in play this year, but he has also come out said that it's all on the players. But why would they want to play so boringly?
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It’s a strange dilemma. We need the playing group, senior leaders to start pulling levers game day as to how they need to change speed of ball movement during moments in game, rather than going from one extreme to another, game to game to manage turnovers.

We’ve heard for some time how coach able this side is, at what stage do we get out of an education phase and players start throwing their weight around.

Back line looks very settled and organised led by Wilkie, but I think we’d all struggle to say the same for the rest of the ground. Desperately need some of these kids to become our next leaders.
 
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littlecreatures said:
It’s a strange dilemma. We need the playing group, senior leaders to start pulling levers game day as to how they need to change speed of ball movement during moments in game, rather than going from one extreme to another, game to game to manage turnovers.

We’ve heard for some time how coach able this side is, at what stage do we get out of an education phase and players start throwing their weight around.

Back line looks very settled and organised led by Wilkie, but I think we’d all struggle to say the same for the rest of the ground. Desperately need some of these kids to become our next leaders.
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We need midfield leaders and a leader in the forward line.

Steele is the closest thing in the mids, although I think Windy will probably end up as that for us, and Skunk is the closest we have at the moment down forward, and that is a real issue, I don't know what the answer is there, maybe Snags?......
 
littlecreatures said:
It’s a strange dilemma. We need the playing group, senior leaders to start pulling levers game day as to how they need to change speed of ball movement during moments in game, rather than going from one extreme to another, game to game to manage turnovers.

We’ve heard for some time how coach able this side is, at what stage do we get out of an education phase and players start throwing their weight around.

Back line looks very settled and organised led by Wilkie, but I think we’d all struggle to say the same for the rest of the ground. Desperately need some of these kids to become our next leaders.
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A huge part of the problem is our thin and ordinary midfield being stretched by injury and our thin and ordinary small forwards group is also battered. We are playing to stay competitive not to win. Then the players in the side are coasting because they have an excuse with injury.
 

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pebblesofsand said:
Chased Draper, chased De Goey - chased any number of players over the last few years. Why?

Because its always been part of the strategy.

In fact its every clubs strategy - Draft, trade and buy.
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Bassett and Lyon are on the record as saying we will continue to go to the national draft for 2 more seasons and then chase FAs.

They need to stick that plan and not get desperate for the quick fix...we've been down that path before and it doesn't work
 
Saint Watto said:
That's exactly what it is Cairnsman.
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Yeah I suspected as much Watto, I think the club's current plan to continue to go to the national draft for at least the next 2 seasons before looking at FAs is a solid plan and will be imperative with Tasmania coming in. But even with Tasmania being a factor and diluting the talent pool further, I think we've proven that the quick fix and war chest strategy is a flawed strategy.

For example, take a look at when we bought in Hanners and then subsequently the fab five in 2019, that strategy could have worked provided we could keep it going for the next 3 to 5 years as the proven formula for a flag is approximately 25 flag type players standing on the last day in September. Clearly it's not a sustainable strategy for acquiring 25 GF types capable of contending.

You just can't buy flags anymore.
 
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gringo2011 said:
A huge part of the problem is our thin and ordinary midfield being stretched by injury and our thin and ordinary small forwards group is also battered. We are playing to stay competitive not to win. Then the players in the side are coasting because they have an excuse with injury.
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We all knew our midfield is the problem even with a in form Steele and Crouch we don't have that midfielder that really can turn a game , at least now they have given Seb a break allowing us to give someone else time in the middle.
Windhager will be a player , he has shown enough now to start to establish himself in the midfield but now we have to find someone else in there.
To me Owens a natural , however by the looks they rather him forward.
Zac Jones has been brought back into the fold and at best he is just one of the rotations when the core mids need a break , Dow will get his chance to show what his got and it will be good to see how our midfield goes.
Will they give Henry a crack in the middle against his old side.
 
I’m just wishing and hoping we don’t give away another quarter head start.
We ain’t good enough to keep doing that.
 
Cairnsman said:
Yeah I suspected as much Watto, I think the club's current plan to continue to go to the national draft for at least the next 2 seasons before looking at FAs is a solid plan and will be imperative with Tasmania coming in. But even with Tasmania being a factor and diluting the talent pool further, I think we've proven that the quick fix and war chest strategy is a flawed strategy.

For example, take a look at when we bought in Hanners and then subsequently the fab five in 2019, that strategy could have worked provided we could keep it going for the next 3 to 5 years as the proven formula for a flag is approximately 25 flag type players standing on the last day in September. Clearly it's not a sustainable strategy for acquiring 25 GF types capable of contending.

You just can't buy flags anymore.
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If going by the offer they made to the Blues key defender it looks like they want F.As now , the thing I would be looking at is attempting to get 2 high draft picks this year , we should get a high draft pick this year the way we are going but I would attempt to get another somehow.
 
Premium said:
If going by the offer they made to the Blues key defender it looks like they want F.As now , the thing I would be looking at is attempting to get 2 high draft picks this year , we should get a high draft pick this year the way we are going but I would attempt to get another somehow.
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They offered him Jack shyte
 
Premium said:
If going by the offer they made to the Blues key defender it looks like they want F.As now , the thing I would be looking at is attempting to get 2 high draft picks this year , we should get a high draft pick this year the way we are going but I would attempt to get another somehow.
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Except they never made a an offer to Weitering. Made up BS, probably started by Weitering's manager as a negotiation tactic.......
 

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True Believer said:
Except they never made a an offer to Weitering. Made up BS, probably started by Weitering's manager as a negotiation tactic.......
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I have no doubt we are into Weitering.. and about 50 other players as well. Its literally the list managers job to pursue all avenues to improve the list and Weitering absolutely would do it.. but not at that kind of of money or contract length.

I dont doubt we would be offering 1million+ to get LDU over on 5 - 7 years however. Mids like him dont come across often as a FA and a LOT of other clubs are going to come knocking for him.
 
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If going by the offer they made to the Blues key defender it looks like they want F.As now , the thing I would be looking at is attempting to get 2 high draft picks this year , we should get a high draft pick this year the way we are going but I would attempt to get another somehow.
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Agree, can package up some of the experienced players to get another 1st round pick
- Membrey, Ross, Howard
If Battle choose to leave.
 
I can guarantee every player we've been linked to in free agency, every single other team has an eye on too.
It's just the fact we'll have a fair chunk of salary cap left to offer big contracts to that has us in a good position to nab one.

LDU or McCluggage the only 2 that make sense for us though. Right age and position to bring in for extended success. But you know all other 17 teams want elite mids too so we're only gonna get them with a bag of money.
 
LennyHayes77 said:
I can guarantee every player we've been linked to in free agency, every single other team has an eye on too.
It's just the fact we'll have a fair chunk of salary cap left to offer big contracts to that has us in a good position to nab one.

LDU or McCluggage the only 2 that make sense for us though. Right age and position to bring in for extended success. But you know all other 17 teams want elite mids too so we're only gonna get them with a bag of money.
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Both please. 🙏
 
Cairnsman said:
Bassett and Lyon are on the record as saying we will continue to go to the national draft for 2 more seasons and then chase FAs.

They need to stick that plan and not get desperate for the quick fix...we've been down that path before and it doesn't work
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That’s why I’m not devastated if we finish bottom 4/5 for the next two seasons. Nab two very good draft picks.
Sure it’s painful, but sitting mid-table doesn’t help at all. And will be a lot more painful with the next lot of compromised drafting coming for Tassie.

Not that this isn’t anything most of us know.
 
MrFoster said:
Agree, can package up some of the experienced players to get another 1st round pick
- Membrey, Ross, Howard
If Battle choose to leave.
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Howard is a different matter, but Ross and Membrey are unrestricted free agents that are out of contract. We won't get anything if they leave unless Norf offer them a ridiculous contract that is way more than what they are worth.
 
LennyHayes77 said:
I can guarantee every player we've been linked to in free agency, every single other team has an eye on too.
It's just the fact we'll have a fair chunk of salary cap left to offer big contracts to that has us in a good position to nab one.

LDU or McCluggage the only 2 that make sense for us though. Right age and position to bring in for extended success. But you know all other 17 teams want elite mids too so we're only gonna get them with a bag of money.
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And even then it's not in the bag.
Plenty of players take a little less for either lifestyle reasons, success, or a good chance of having both at once (i.e. Geelong)
We may have money...but that's about all we've got.
 
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