List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

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were going to have issues next year
one first round pick and 4 main list spots and 2 rookie spots available post my projected retirements and delistings

we will have F1 and a bunch of spuds being picked up with 4th and 5th rounders. unlikely to get any free agents to take these spots.

it was really dumb not to smooth this out and cut another one or two this year and have some more picks this year to reduce next years changes.
 
This talk about Oliver willing to take a pay cut ... how does that work?

Can a player just burn his current deal and start again? Does that not influence the existing club's future cap in any way?

Seems like a thin-edge of the wedge to me - is this a different version of Daniher re-doing his contract after the compensation pick is paid?
 
crow2crow said:
were going to have issues next year
one first round pick and 4 main list spots and 2 rookie spots available post my projected retirements and delistings

we will have F1 and a bunch of spuds being picked up with 4th and 5th rounders. unlikely to get any free agents to take these spots.

it was really dumb not to smooth this out and cut another one or two this year and have some more picks this year to reduce next years changes.
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The way clubs are prepared to trade out of next year's draft to get into this year's would seem to be a good indicator they don't see the 2025 draft as being particularly good.

Picks in this draft are obviously at a premium, good luck trying to procure them now or even earlier.

Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too if you want to bring in proven players.
 

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Mutineer said:
Hint

The way clubs are prepared to trade out of next year's draft to get into this year's would seem to be a good indicator they don't see the 2025 draft as being particularly good.

Picks in this draft are obviously at a premium, good luck trying to procure them now or even earlier.

Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too if you want to bring in proven players.
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Well next year is the first year you can trade multiple year picks so getting back into next years draft will be a lot easier. But it does appear this is a generational type draft year where you dont see this depth in talent very often. Just be thankful it wasnt in Tasmanias time.
 
Brisbane pair midfielder Dev Robertson and elite endurance runner Harry Sharp have told Brisna they'd like to be trafed, seems Harry Sharp has Melbourne interest given he's named his preferred destination.

Can't see them not getting to their preferred clubs given Brisbane will want points for Ashcroft and Marshall. Probably both good gets for their new clubs given they'll likely go for less than they're worth.
 
baldandbroke said:
This talk about Oliver willing to take a pay cut ... how does that work?

Can a player just burn his current deal and start again? Does that not influence the existing club's future cap in any way?

Seems like a thin-edge of the wedge to me - is this a different version of Daniher re-doing his contract after the compensation pick is paid?
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I suspect if you are happy to renegotiate your contract for LESS money, most employers would do that with you.

So... sure. Why not.
 
crow2crow said:
were going to have issues next year
one first round pick and 4 main list spots and 2 rookie spots available post my projected retirements and delistings

we will have F1 and a bunch of spuds being picked up with 4th and 5th rounders. unlikely to get any free agents to take these spots.

it was really dumb not to smooth this out and cut another one or two this year and have some more picks this year to reduce next years changes.
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Sure it's dumb but why wouldn't we be able to get a free agent?
 
Coopers said:
I suspect if you are happy to renegotiate your contract for LESS money, most employers would do that with you.

So... sure. Why not.
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Because stuff is set in place with these contracts. It puts another nail in the coffin for clubs in terms of what a contract means.

It adds more mud to the water when things like contract length and $$$ are used to determine compensation etc...

If players can terminate / renegotiate a contract at will - wouldn't that make it even harder to keep players from chasing the bigger clubs that can deliver "extras" and more on-field success (which means more finals bonuses etc...)?

Melbourne want it. Geelong want it. Oliver wants it. What about the other 16 clubs - I'd say they would prefer that Geelong didn't keep getting freebies OR Demons were stuck with the player and the contract.

Just feels like a bit of a trojan horse to me.
 
Mutineer said:
Brisbane pair midfielder Dev Robertson and elite endurance runner Harry Sharp have told Brisna they'd like to be trafed, seems Harry Sharp has Melbourne interest given he's named his preferred destination.

Can't see them not getting to their preferred clubs given Brisbane will want points for Ashcroft and Marshall. Probably both good gets for their new clubs given they'll likely go for less than they're worth.
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Dev Robertson highlights package: wearing no guernsey after it was ripped from his body... ends
 
Mutineer said:
Hint

The way clubs are prepared to trade out of next year's draft to get into this year's would seem to be a good indicator they don't see the 2025 draft as being particularly good.

Picks in this draft are obviously at a premium, good luck trying to procure them now or even earlier.

Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too if you want to bring in proven players.
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this is exactly my point. we will have list spots to fill next year and a spud draft and no picks to fill it. by delisting more this year the picks are in this years draft.
 

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baldandbroke said:
This talk about Oliver willing to take a pay cut ... how does that work?

Can a player just burn his current deal and start again? Does that not influence the existing club's future cap in any way?

Seems like a thin-edge of the wedge to me - is this a different version of Daniher re-doing his contract after the compensation pick is paid?
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Not sure

Unless its a Bobby Bonilla type situation where he will be paid for years he doesnt play I'm not sure how it would work

The club takes on the onus with cap issues etc and not the player

Again unless he suddenly develops concussive issues and the AFL ' bail ' out Geelong the club who takes him on
 

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