List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[richoplzbreed]

As a matter of interest, who are the HBF’s we’ve taken with our top-25 picks in the last decade or more?


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Nowhere did I say we've taken any hbf in top 25 picks in the last decade. I just checked we've only had 9 top 25 picks in the last decade. Anybody can play hbf. Failed fwd/ mid chuck them hbf before delisting them. Easiest position to play/ easiest to fill. I wouldn't waste a pick before 40 on a hbf regardless, can snag one in rookie most likely. We've got tonnes of players who can play there with Short, Banks, Ralphsmith, Mansell, Trezise, Brown, still got Smith and even Sonsie can be trialled there to see if he has any worth.

I don't think we can rebuild a premiership side around a pick 42 and a pick 16 in the rookie draft. Only an idiot would think we've got enough to work with in our tall forwards with what's on the list

I don't think some people realise just how appalling our kpf stocks are. Lynch is another long term injury from giving it away. Ryan's putrid, Kozi sux, Bauer has been injured more often than fit. Like you said Grays statistically speaking a long shot to even play 30 games, Mcauliffe could easily break down again and how many pick 42 kpf have sides been built around. He's at best 5% chance of being a 50 game journeyman. Lefaus got great potential and i hope he gets lucky with the Punt Rd slasher gone and can be a bloody handy 3rd tall who makes it to 100 games but nearly every heavy kpf is gone after 3 knee recos, so he's 1 more away from career over.

Club needs to take 1 kpf at pick 10/11 and another later in draft as we need to get quality.

Unsure where your misinformation comes from.

2 things I knew were wrong without checking....

1. Hampson cost 1 x late rd 2 pick(32) not 2 x 2nd rounders as you falsely claimed. It is a pretty big difference, & tough error to make if not deliberate.

2. In 2024 Nankervis played 20 of 23 matches. Richmond finished the season +6 for average hitouts(AFL 6th), +1.7 hitouts to advantage(AFL 6th), +0.9 Ruck hard ball gets(AFL 5th), amongst rucks Nankervis was AFL 8 for ave disposals, AFL 10 for Contested possessions, AFL 7 for marks, AFL 2 for tackles, AFL 1 for pressure acts, AFL 7 for hitouts. It would be a safe bet if there were differentials available per player he would be elevated in most categories due to his strong defensive work. You are crying you want a 10 year ruck, we have THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ruck in the AFL at our club, he is skipper, has a great finals record & you are trying to talk about him like he is a loser.

You are an idiot.

EW....Hey loser dunno how many times I've told you I blocked you a year or 2 ago lol cbf'd reading any trash you respond with or write. Keep wasting your time though

 

[Meteoric Rise]

EW....Hey loser dunno how many times I've told you I blocked you a year or 2 ago lol cbf'd reading any trash you respond with or write. Keep wasting your time though

1. It reads my post.

2. It decides there is no credible way to save face because the post proves it is an idiot.

3. It pretends it hasn't read the post.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Mate you got no idea. They had Harley Reid last year and let west coast get him.

Coming from you I'll.take that as a compliment doughnut boy

 

[Oldmanuncle]

As a matter of interest, who are the HBF’s we’ve taken with our top-25 picks in the last decade or more?


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Tom Brown, pick 17 ND.

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Nowhere did I say we've taken any hbf in top 25 picks in the last decade. I just checked we've only had 9 top 25 picks in the last decade. Anybody can play hbf. Failed fwd/ mid chuck them hbf before delisting them. Easiest position to play/ easiest to fill. I wouldn't waste a pick before 40 on a hbf regardless, can snag one in rookie most likely. We've got tonnes of players who can play there with Short, Banks, Ralphsmith, Mansell, Trezise, Brown, still got Smith and even Sonsie can be trialled there to see if he has any worth.





I don't think some people realise just how appalling our kpf stocks are. Lynch is another long term injury from giving it away. Ryan's putrid, Kozi sux, Bauer has been injured more often than fit. Like you said Grays statistically speaking a long shot to even play 30 games, Mcauliffe could easily break down again and how many pick 42 kpf have sides been built around. He's at best 5% chance of being a 50 game journeyman. Lefaus got great potential and i hope he gets lucky with the Punt Rd slasher gone and can be a bloody handy 3rd tall who makes it to 100 games but nearly every heavy kpf is gone after 3 knee recos, so he's 1 more away from career over.

Club needs to take 1 kpf at pick 10/11 and another later in draft as we need to get quality.





EW....Hey loser dunno how many times I've told you I blocked you a year or 2 ago lol cbf'd reading any trash you respond with or write. Keep wasting your time though

You got called out on posting wrong information and disparaging our 3-time premiership ruck who has great stats in general.

No one can say why our midfield has sucked for years now. I just hope we fix it sometime. But you can't just automatically say it is Nank. Did our midfield read Nank's taps wrong in that elimination final, or did Nank have a bad game? We don't know, but we do know that Nank absolutely won us the 2020 Prelim against Port, as well as countless other games.

 

[Barunga Bullet]

In that case it could be 16+21 GWS or 18 + 20 Richmond.

Could do a 3 way trade
Tigers get - 8
Port get - 10
Saints get - 13 and 29

Or we keep 29 and give the saints 23.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Posters melting about lack of KPFs. Yes, we don't have anyone yet can fill the void of JR8 and Lynch when he retires.
There are couple young guys (Gray and Fawcett) that could develop into that role.

Richmond still shouldn't reach for a KPF at 10 or 11. Could be like getting Ben Griffiths instead of Nathan Fyfe

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Richmond have lots of needs other than KPFs. Draft for talent and then trade for needs.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Could do a 3 way trade
Tigers get - 8
Port get - 10
Saints get - 13 and 29

Or we keep 29 and give the saints 23.

Port won't do the trade that early. The vast majority of trades on draft night will be live.

We can really cash in when it gets to pick 10 and 11. Get whoever we like at pick 10 and then Port will be desperate to trade ahead of West Coast to get pick 11. Could be 11 for 13 & 29

 

[the underdog]

From the same person who told me back in early September that we would be selecting Sam Lalor at pick 1 when everyone else had him 5-8 range..

1. Lalor
2. Tauru
3. Jagga
4. FOS

Leaving Draper, Langford, Smillie on the board for the Dees, and therefore two of those three for us.

Apparently the Crows don’t like Draper. Unsure if it’s on field or off field related.

Blues have traded up for Jagga they think, not FOS.

Crows locked on FOS but heavily considering trading up to pick 2 in case north or blues change their mind and call out Finn’s name which would ruin Adelaide’s plans.

Wouldn’t normally share, but given where it’s come from, thought it was worthwhile. Do with that what you will.

 

[Profop]

Could do a 3 way trade
Tigers get - 8
Port get - 10
Saints get - 13 and 29

Or we keep 29 and give the saints 23.

If the saints are willing to accept 13 and 29 for 8 then Port would just trade with them directly?

 

[Azzleberry]

Posters melting about lack of KPFs. Yes, we don't have anyone yet can fill the void of JR8 and Lynch when he retires.
There are couple young guys (Gray and Fawcett) that could develop into that role.

Richmond still shouldn't reach for a KPF at 10 or 11. Could be like getting Ben Griffiths instead of Nathan Fyfe.

Richmond have lots of needs other than KPFs. Draft for talent and then trade for needs.

The melts were only coming from posters who hold all their hopes of having a premiership forward line in the success of Gray, Fawcett, Lefau, Bauer & Ryan.

Trading for a premium key forward is easier said than done - 1/ not many actually exist, 2- they cost a heap in draft picks and salary, and; 3- there's always a lot of competition to get them (and we are not an attractive destination at the moment).

It's a must to take 1x KPF at 10/11 and begin their development. Your argument that it could be like taking Griffiths over Fyfe is rubbish. Going mid again could be like going Armitage over J Riewoldt. End of the day it's a lottery and we aren't reaching as there's 2 key forwards rated in the 8-15 range.

 

[tora tora tora]

Hard pass on a ruck in the draft. You don't need anyone beyond competitive to win a flag and you don't waste years of development to get that.

The trade for a mid 30s - mid 40s draft pick one day for an established mid 20s ruck is the play, every handful of years.

Maybe have a rookie or two developing on the list that's taken cheaply or a state league guy via the PSD or MSD.

We have just spooned. Flag talk is ridiculous IMO.
already got 2 rookie rucks, Colina's off and gunna be back on. DFA for Naismith was barely at the level before injury. Ryan aint ready.


AFL Player development is a lottery. Some start well ~ Ross, Sonsie, Stack, Gibcus. Only to lose their spot to coach's demand for weight loss, injury & form loss, external factors. Others build up their career ~ Hugo, Banks, Brown types.

We can't bring in and play more than 3 mids. So going to need to think about small & tall forwards. I'd avoid small fwds cos mids will be rotating where we lost Baker, Graham, Bolton, Martin.

And why not have Dodson playing over Ryan as Nank injury back up.

Might luck out and find the next Gawn.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

2024 AFL Phantom Draft: Every pick in the first two rounds

Jasper Chellappah has released his latest two-round AFL Phantom Draft for 2024, with the first of a big two-night event now just two weeks away. Who is your club looking to pick with its early selections?

www.espn.com.au

 

[Mr Magic]

He is not the classiest player but he is a born winner you can tell. He refuses to be beaten. We'll need kids like that over the next few years as we rebuild.

rather Angus Clarke

 

[energyquant]

From the same person who told me back in early September that we would be selecting Sam Lalor at pick 1 when everyone else had him 5-8 range..

1. Lalor
2. Tauru
3. Jagga
4. FOS

Leaving Draper, Langford, Smillie on the board for the Dees, and therefore two of those three for us.

Apparently the Crows don’t like Draper. Unsure if it’s on field or off field related.

Blues have traded up for Jagga they think, not FOS.

Crows locked on FOS but heavily considering trading up to pick 2 in case north or blues change their mind and call out Finn’s name which would ruin Adelaide’s plans.

Wouldn’t normally share, but given where it’s come from, thought it was worthwhile. Do with that what you will.

Big calls but credible.

Jagga fits at the Blues right now. They have form with playing lighter-bodies players in the middle from day 1.
Adelaide would have the best read on Draper and can always console him with a "come home" offer 5 years later.
If Draper isn't taken by Adelaide then he becomes the slider.

 

[Mr Magic]

Nowhere did I say we've taken any hbf in top 25 picks in the last decade. I just checked we've only had 9 top 25 picks in the last decade. Anybody can play hbf. Failed fwd/ mid chuck them hbf before delisting them. Easiest position to play/ easiest to fill. I wouldn't waste a pick before 40 on a hbf regardless, can snag one in rookie most likely. We've got tonnes of players who can play there with Short, Banks, Ralphsmith, Mansell, Trezise, Brown, still got Smith and even Sonsie can be trialled there to see if he has any worth.





I don't think some people realise just how appalling our kpf stocks are. Lynch is another long term injury from giving it away. Ryan's putrid, Kozi sux, Bauer has been injured more often than fit. Like you said Grays statistically speaking a long shot to even play 30 games, Mcauliffe could easily break down again and how many pick 42 kpf have sides been built around. He's at best 5% chance of being a 50 game journeyman. Lefaus got great potential and i hope he gets lucky with the Punt Rd slasher gone and can be a bloody handy 3rd tall who makes it to 100 games but nearly every heavy kpf is gone after 3 knee recos, so he's 1 more away from career over.

Club needs to take 1 kpf at pick 10/11 and another later in draft as we need to get quality.





EW....Hey loser dunno how many times I've told you I blocked you a year or 2 ago lol cbf'd reading any trash you respond with or write. Keep wasting your time though

you overrate the rest of our list clearly

 

[tigs2010]

Big calls but credible.

Jagga fits at the Blues right now. They have form with playing lighter-bodies players in the middle from day 1.
Adelaide would have the best read on Draper and can always console him with a "come home" offer 5 years later.
If Draper isn't taken by Adelaide then he becomes the slider.

I think Draper ends up a Saint. Cal has always had him around that 7-8 mark from memory.

I think if we added to that top 4 it would be as follows;

5. Langford
6. Smillie
7. Draper

 

[Tiger Pete]

I am against trading up to get a particular midfielder in the top 6 when they are all so similar in quality. Yes they may have different strengths/ weaknesses but they are all good.
We need to have enough picks to bring in a couple of KPFs , which is just as much of a gap in our list as mids.
For all the talk of getting Cadman , GWS will move heaven and earth to keep him .
Just not sure Armstrong is really a KPF . Yes great athlete and booming kick . But we need a forward who can impose himself in a contested marking situation. Even though probably a bit too early in the draft I think we need to look at Shanahan at 10/11 and then Faul either at 18 or later.

 

[Mr Magic]

From 'gutted' to glory? WA draft bolter looms as one out of the box

Hugh Boxshall is determined to turn his disappointment at missing the national Combine into something far greater

www.afl.com.au

This guy here, Hugh Boxshall, might be worth looking at to

 

[captain cotch 9]

How are people going to watch the draft? I cancelled Kayo and I’m sure I’m not the only one

 

[rowlingsdevsqd]

I am very impressed that this thread is 7593 posts and counting of hot air piss and vinegar.

Please let the draft come and be done so we can move to the 15000 post thread of why did we get x at pick y and what a spud and the slider at pick 68 who is the next Brownlow medallist and why didnt we pick them


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[Frank Grimes]

You've cherry picked our Ruck "success" trades. Maric and Simmons both had 1 great year and 2 ok years. Stafford had 2 or 3 good years. Nank 3 - 4 sevicable to good years. In the previous 30 years we've traded and cheaply drafted in 5 x as many rucks who were busts. Hampson cost 2 x 2nd rounders and I don't think he played 1 decent game.

We've got the perfect draft hand to fill every line. For so many years we've only had 1 top 25 pick so we always took a mid or bloody hbf. If we take a Dodson with one of our last picks he gets a perfect run up of 3 years development in the magoos while Nank deteriorates and Samson's contract evaporates. In that time him and our incoming batch of mids will develop beautiful synchronicity where they can read each other and know what each other's thinking instinctively. It's about time we paid the price and developed a 10 + year ruck instead of taking dregs. I'm sick of watching Nank get outrucked by any and every ruck.

We deserve to see our mids get 1st use for a change. I dare you to watch that 2022 final against Brisbane when Mcinerny went down and an unopposed Nank still kept tapping it down Lachie Neales throat. For too many years our mids have watched blokes like Fyfe, Oliver, Pendlebury, etc. run past their ruck and without breaking stride have it land in their laps. No more budget Naismiths, Knobels, Graham, Browne, Derrickx, Orrin Stephenson, Marsh. We've got 8 picks.... 1 must be used on Ruck. We can afford to skimp on hbf for once.

If I "cherry picked" our ruck success trades then who are our ruck "busts" as far as trades? I'd say we had more success trades than we had busts.

Also how many 1st rucks have become at least serviceable from our drafting? Though it's stretching it to be "within 20 years" which I said Ottens comes to mind, but when playing for us he was more a forward who could play ruck. Other than that Soldo is probably the closest, but he was more a back up ruck to Nankervis.

I am of the belief that you don't build a side around a very good Ruckman, you just need a serviceable Ruckman.

I think the reason why trading for a ruck is more easier and proficient is because there is often a good/serviceable ruck in a few other teams list who can't get a chance at senior level because the clubs 1st ruck hasn't had too many bad games.

Having said that I would be okay if we pick up Dodson in this draft with pick 23 or 24, but I wouldn't have him as a priority. Should only pick him up if we haven't picked up 2 or more tall players previously.

 

[rammmbo]

Our biggest need is elite players for the future 5years + imo so it really doesnt matter if the list is inbalanced till then.

Steering clear of fly weight mids that carnt kick over a jam tin (jagga) and mids that are as slow as hopper prestia,Tarranto (langford) is a must .

 

[blaisee]

We want picks in this draft. No interest in 2025

Yea we know

Everyone knows

And we have Em, but you will not be getting any of ours

Unless we end up with pick 2 and keep pick 6

Very simple

 

[THE THIN MAN]

We need Midfielders who can find the ball and hit a target!

No point being quick, if you are where the ball isn't!