Game Day 2024 AFL Draft - Nights 1 & 2, from 7pm AEST

[Bloods86]

Dattoli for Campbell for me, unless he shows a fair bit in the prseason. Whoever shows more in the pre season gets that spot.

If they are both actually played up forward, sure.

But comparing anyone forward to Campbell being thrown around the ground as a 2nd or 3rd stringer, isn't being serious. He deserves to be played in his draft position before being ousted (again), or we probably deserve a trade request.

Campbell, Cleary and Chad the 3 I want playing forward more instead of a KPF and Parker. The latter two, especially Chad will still get some centre bounces, hopefully in 2nd halves.

 

[Bandicoot]

Quick search seems to indicate there hasn't been much discussion on the NM 2025 1st rounder that they had on the table.

Apparently from Pick 8 in the 2024 draft they were offering up their 2025 pick, originally as a direct swap and then, according to the NM list boss, from the late teens onwards they were looking at getting something back.

Of course they finally did the deal with Richmond.
The Tigers pick 27 (2024) and Richmond's 2nd rounder (2025) for NM's 1st pick in 2025.

It seems to me to be a potential missed opportunity for the Swans.

This is the league ladder at the end of 2024;
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Does anyone see NM making significant improvement?
For example Adelaide in 15th spot, 'won' 5 and a half games more and had a % better by 30%.

In 2025 we have 3 relatively highly rated Academy players.
Twomey had King in his 10 to watch for 2025 and rookieme central had King, Carmichael and Chamberlain on their 25 for 2025 watchlist.
(As an aside Kade Herbert made both lists for 2024 and went undrafted, so certainly not foolproof).

Nonetheless I think it's reasonable to assume that there will be bidding on Academy players relatively early in the 2025 draft and that our 2025 1st rounder will need to be traded out to acquire points to meet bids.

So the question I have is why did we not trade out one of our 1st rounders in 2024 to acquire a likely very early pick in 2025 and hopefully pick up a top 5 player in that draft, prior to being forced to bid match.
In the worse case scenario of a bid coming for one of our academy players prior to our 2025 'NM' pick we would likely receive significant offers for that pick (and associated points).

Using positions and draft value index points equivalent for 2024;
Richmond pick 27 (703 points), Richmond 2nd rounder 2025 - pick 28 (677) total = 1380
NM pick 2 2025 (2517).

Difference = 1137 (equivalent to pick 15).

Now the DVI will change in 2025 and I have made the assumption that Richmond and NM will finish bottom 2 again, but nonetheless it indicates the desperation of NM to get back into the 2024 draft to select a KPD.

So doing the maths if we gave up pick 22 and our 2nd rounder in 2025 (again based on our 2024 finishing position) and similar bidding patterns year on end;
Pick 22 (845) and Syd 2nd rounder 2025 - pick 39 (446) total = 1291

Difference = 1226 (equivalent to pick 13).

So the points differential in trading with Richmond is marginally better (by 89 points), but it doesn't account for us being potentially worse in 2025 (Richmond of course can't be worse) and it provides greater certainty for NM with them having access to pick 22 rather than 27 and the potential for their target being off the board by 27.

Now yes lots of assumptions, but a deal that I think NM would have accepted (preferring 22 rather than dealing with the uncertainty of getting their target and working on a Swans drop off in 2025) and a deal that would allow us to pick up a top 5 player in 2025, when we are almost certainly going to have to trade out our 'natural' 1st rounder in 2025 for points to match bids on Academy players.

So the choice; lose Dattori (of course could still have been there at 26) and the points associated with our 2nd rounder in 2025 and pick up a top 5 pick in 2025 instead.

I would have done the trade.

tl;dr We should have traded pick 22 to NM for their 2025 1st rounder and picked up a top 5 player in 2025 prior to having match bids for our 2025 Academy prospects.

The difference between Richmond's F2 which will no doubt be the first pick of round 2 and our F2 could be as much as 15-20 with all the F/S and academy selections expected to occur next year.

 

[Bonz]

Dattoli for Campbell for me, unless he shows a fair bit in the prseason. Whoever shows more in the pre season gets that spot.

I liked what Campbell brought in as a forward in the late season.

Would like him to develop there over the offseason, his quick, can pressure and we know about his disposal

 

[Bloods86]

I liked what Campbell brought in as a forward in the late season.

Would like him to develop there over the offseason, his quick, can pressure and we know about his disposal

Should have happened years ago, but amen!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I liked what Campbell brought in as a forward in the late season.

Would like him to develop there over the offseason, his quick, can pressure and we know about his disposal

My small issue is the bloke has no right foot. May work not completely against it

 

[bedford]

My small issue is the bloke has no right foot. May work not completely against it

I reckon what helped Luke Kennedy getting drafted was his ability to be as good on either side , Shifta picked that up as well.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I reckon what helped Luke Kennedy getting drafted was his ability to be as good on either side , Shifta picked that up as well.

100% dual sides players are so valuable

 

[Bloods86]

100% dual sides players are so valuable

Plenty of great players without it though

 

[bedford]

Plenty of great players without it though

Goodes had a great left foot , but didn't use it too often .
What i meant was that it could've been the difference between a main list spot instead of a rookie spot

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Plenty of great players without it though

True but players that do are highly sought after

 

[Bloods86]

True but players that do are highly sought after

We're talking in the context of Campbell. Who still somehow performed well enough, in part as a half forward, to be Pick 5.

Maybe he just had more time in juniors, but we won't know unless we actually try it properly.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We're talking in the context of Campbell. Who still somehow performed well enough, in part as a half forward, to be Pick 5.

Maybe he just had more time in juniors, but we won't know unless we actually try it properly.

Generous him being worth pick 5, but we got Gulden on the cheap so it’s one overpay and one underpay so it’s fine

 

[Bloods86]

Generous him being worth pick 5, but we got Gulden on the cheap so it’s one overpay and one underpay so it’s fine

I never rated him higher than Gulden (who was a steal), but also, how would we know how much it was overs, given he's not been played where he was drafted.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I never rated him higher than Gulden (who was a steal), but also, how would we know how much it was overs, given he's not been played where he was drafted.

Spending pick 5 on a half forward is overs even if it does work out. There was hope he’d turn into a mid it won’t happen. Just need to accept it won’t happen now will the coaching staff who knows.

 

[Bloods86]

Spending pick 5 on a half forward is overs even if it does work out. There was hope he’d turn into a mid it won’t happen. Just need to accept it won’t happen now will the coaching staff who knows.

That's your opinion.

 

[bedford]

Ive been on the Bulldogs and Tigers boards to see how they reacted to Kennedy and Armstrong.
Full credit to the Bulldogs board , happy and respective to the boy and then wow to the Tigers , just shows why they are about the worst supporters going around , absolute rats some of them .