List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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If they dont have one of them all of last year then yeah, I dont think they could win a flag. Just look at how s**t they are with an underdone Hawkins despite Cameron playing out his arse. The elite KPF makes basically everyone's life easier.

I think we would be capable of playing a lot of finals footy but I struggle to see us winning a flag any time soon (next 5 years?) if we dont bring in a gun KPF at least as old as Amiss. I suppose, I'd settle for Pickett level of small forward and maybe we can scrounge something together that's good enough but we have find at least one other AA quality forward - the KPF just makes it easiest
See this is where it gets interesting, because if they didn't win it, who would have? The next two best teams were Sydney and Collingwood. Not sure if you count Mason Cox or Sam Reid as sufficient quality?
 
Posted in another thread but this is my thoughts about our forward line:

It’s the most important part of the ground. We are not going to win a premiership without a well functioning one.

When Fyfe comes back, who does he replace and where should he be positioned? I personally don’t think he should be anywhere near Amiss or inside forward 50. I reckon the best position for Fyfe is 60-90 metres from the goal to present a contest. Forget goals, if he can take 7or 8 marks and get 15 possessions and 5 or more score involvements he’s had a good game.

Who will be the best key forward to compliment Amiss? Not sure it is Jackson. Not sure it is Treacy and it definitely is not Tabs. Maybe we just haven’t found them yet…. Or maybe it’s someone left field like keuk. We desperately need to find that person. (Naughton or himmleberg….)

How do we get another 3 years out of Sonny? Cause Amiss probably won’t be hitting his straps for another 50 games.

There is a lot of figuring out in the forward line to be done before we become a decent team in my opinion….and, to be perfectly frank, when the match day committee fails to play Amiss or Johnson in round 1, then drops Brodie from the midfield, I begin to have my doubts on their wisdom.
Fyfe takes Banfield's roll pretty seamlessly IMO.
 

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See this is where it gets interesting, because if they didn't win it, who would have? The next two best teams were Sydney and Collingwood. Not sure if you count Mason Cox or Sam Reid as sufficient quality?
Fit Sam Reid is actually pretty good, I'd settle for that next to Amiss every week.

Collingwood have the freak fwd/mid in DeGoey therefore satisfying the requirement.
 
Fyfe takes Banfield's roll pretty seamlessly IMO.
Yep. That is definitely the most logical, but who is going to partner with Amiss? (At this point I don’t reckon we have anyone good enough). Regardless of history, there is no way our midfield is dominant enough to be winning premierships without 2 very good KPF’s. Tabs is old and injured (not really good enough either). Treacy is very much unproven and I just don’t think Jackson is a key position forward.
 
Fit Sam Reid is actually pretty good, I'd settle for that next to Amiss every week.

Collingwood have the freak fwd/mid in DeGoey therefore satisfying the requirement.
Sam Reid would give Matt Taberner a run for his money in terms of being injury prone. Not sure he's that much better either.
 
Same draft as Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow - taken picks #10, #12 and #16 respectively.
Himmelberg born May 1996 (26), Curnow born Feb 1997 (26), McKay December 1997 (25)

Fremantle selected first at pick #27 - Darcy Tucker, #38 - Harley Balic, #55 - Sam Collins, #61 - Shane Yarran

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2 of those drafted committed suicide.

****ing sad
 
Yep. That is definitely the most logical, but who is going to partner with Amiss? (At this point I don’t reckon we have anyone good enough). Regardless of history, there is no way our midfield is dominant enough to be winning premierships without 2 very good KPF’s.
Yes, this, and was where I was leading with my next post and thinking further on the non-elite forwardlines winning or getting close to flags because Joao raised a good point, I think those sides had midfields that ours isnt getting near. Ours will be more along the line of Geelong last year or WC 2018 - pretty good but not enough to carry the load of poor forwardline as well
 
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Sam Reid would give Matt Taberner a run for his money in terms of being injury prone. Not sure he's that much better either.
I would take AA squad Matt Taberner next to Amiss for the next 5 years and fit Sam Reid is as good as that but that's beside the point I was trying to make and getting off track
 
Fit Sam Reid is actually pretty good, I'd settle for that next to Amiss every week.

Collingwood have the freak fwd/mid in DeGoey therefore satisfying the requirement.
This I agree with, and Sam Reid is a long way off Naughton.
Yes, this my next post and thinking further on the non-elite forwardlines winning or getting close to flags because Joao raised a good point, I think those sides had midfields that ours isnt getting near. Ours will be more along the line of Geelong last year or WC 2018 - pretty good but not enough to carry the load of poor forwardline as well
We need to make the most Jackson in some capacity. Either as a forward and/or in the midfield. He has to be our point of difference.

Then all we need to do is spend every top 30 pick we get on forwards/forward-mids until we hit a few and hope Ras and Johnno are close to the players we all hope they will be.

Then I think we're in it up to our eyeballs.
 
This I agree with, and Sam Reid is a long way off Naughton.

We need to make the most Jackson in some capacity. Either as a forward and/or in the midfield. He has to be our point of difference.

Then all we need to do is spend every top 30 pick we get on forwards/forward-mids until we hit a few and hope Ras and Johnno are close to the players we all hope they will be.

Then I think we're in it up to our eyeballs.
Agree with that. The bed is made so we gotta sleep in it. Might as well give it 1000 thread count sheets.

I think Ras and Johnno will make it. John is obvious but I think Ray just has to work on a couple of things to get there and he's a hyper focused competitive beast. No chance he ends up a Blakely.
 

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Yes, this, and was where I was leading with my next post and thinking further on the non-elite forwardlines winning or getting close to flags because Joao raised a good point, I think those sides had midfields that ours isnt getting near. Ours will be more along the line of Geelong last year or WC 2018 - pretty good but not enough to carry the load of poor forwardline as well
Seb might actually be the closest in my opinion. Needs a huge pre season and to put on 5-10 kegs but does some exciting things. Have watched him since he first arrived at Peel and have seen something there that suggests he might be a really good AFL player.
 
This I agree with, and Sam Reid is a long way off Naughton.

We need to make the most Jackson in some capacity. Either as a forward and/or in the midfield. He has to be our point of difference.

Then all we need to do is spend every top 30 pick we get on forwards/forward-mids until we hit a few and hope Ras and Johnno are close to the players we all hope they will be.

Then I think we're in it up to our eyeballs.
In the original post, I listed a couple of other things that would probably be enough to tip it over the line but think they arent much chance of happening. I think Jackson can be basically a "fit Sam Reid" (I think this is a new unit of measurement) level of KPF but that doesnt make best use of him, he's not a point of difference there.

I suppose a final more nuanced position is that I think:
A) It will be very hard to draft an AA level forward in the next 5 years (we've drafted like 3 in our history)
B) A Naughton type trade pick-up is our most likely avenue to a premiership and people shouldnt be against it happening.
C) Even if we dont get a Naughton level, we need to draft out our arse for an elite mid/small forward and find a 30-40 goal partner for Amiss which I dont think we have yet
 
In the original post, I listed a couple of other things that would probably be enough to tip it over the line but think they arent much chance of happening. I think Jackson can be basically a "fit Sam Reid" (I think this is a new unit of measurement) level of KPF but that doesnt make best use of him, he's not a point of difference there.

I suppose a final more nuanced position is that I think:
A) It will be very hard to draft an AA level forward in the next 5 years (we've drafted like 3 in our history)
B) A Naughton type trade pick-up is our most likely avenue to a premiership and people shouldnt be against it happening.
C) Even if we dont get a Naughton level, we need to draft out our arse for an elite mid/small forward and find a 30-40 goal partner for Amiss which I dont think we have yet
I think Jackson is capable of kicking 30 goals a season. I was impressed with him the other day. Kicked two absolutely clutch goals from distance. Is a very hard matchup for the opposition and clean when the ball is on the deck. He gets in good positions too. If you look at Banfields late goal he really should have handballed to LJ who had drifted into an excellent position for the Joe the goose but Banners doesn’t hand off much lol.
 
I think Jackson is capable of kicking 30 goals a season. I was impressed with him the other day. Kicked two absolutely clutch goals from distance. Is a very hard matchup for the opposition and clean when the ball is on the deck. He gets in good positions too. If you look at Banfields late goal he really should have handballed to LJ who had drifted into an excellent position for the Joe the goose but Banners doesn’t hand off much lol.

In Banfield's defense, he was practically dead in front of goal when he put it on the boot. Snap around the body dead in front should go through.
 
I think Jackson is capable of kicking 30 goals a season. I was impressed with him the other day. Kicked two absolutely clutch goals from distance. Is a very hard matchup for the opposition and clean when the ball is on the deck. He gets in good positions too. If you look at Banfields late goal he really should have handballed to LJ who had drifted into an excellent position for the Joe the goose but Banners doesn’t hand off much lol.
Oh definitely can kick 30 goals but I think we need him as a point of difference in our midfield and permanent KPF isnt the best use of him and I dont think you win flags not making best use of the guy you pay the world to bring in

In Banfield's defense, he was practically dead in front of goal when he put it on the boot. Snap around the body dead in front should go through.
It is funny though that you know Banfield is never ever passing those ones off, like Henry the week before
 
I know you’re big on this but there isn’t one club that doesn’t trade players in during a rebuild. Maybe we could have been better at getting a FA or two rather than trading but that’s pretty damn hard to do for a club like us.

On the topic of Hogan, I flip between what I feel but I think I hate Hogan for that more than anyone. The club should or could have been stronger in saying no but damn if that’s not hard to do in the situation. I can almost guarantee you if he goes to WC he’s still there and kicking 50+ goals a season so it feels like it was a lose/lose situation. Depending on how you feel I think either Hogan was/is just a gigantic *head for taking us for a ride or the club (Bell) is weak for not being able to get more out of troubled players.
Or the club is strong for shifting d*ckheads on.
 
I'm suddenly reminded of that Hill handball to Mayne in the goal square who turned and put it straight into the post.
In fairness it was about 15 out in line with right had side of the square and was handballed to Chrises left forcing him to use his non preferred left. Hill should have taken the shot though even if he was on his right.

Who am I kidding you should have %#%@# kicked it Mayney! Still traumatised.
 
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