List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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Last year opposition clubs targeted Mundy's opponent and we made the most of that by him putting the ball onto the likes of Brodie to clear.

This year Brodie's man was the one they targeted for the clearing ball, letting him get lured to the contest then passing straight to his opponent who let him go.

See Brisbane game for expert tearing us up this way
Brodie had the most contested possessions and clearences on our team that game. Brodie has a quick burst of speed so he can definitely hold players accountable but for one reason or another hasn't done that this season. You have to remember our midfield coach has no clue when it comes to positioning at stoppages.
 
Brodie had the most contested possessions and clearences on our team that game. Brodie has a quick burst of speed so he can definitely hold players accountable but for one reason or another hasn't done that this season. You have to remember our midfield coach has no clue when it comes to positioning at stoppages.
I think a big part of it comes down to Carr knew how to use him, Corey doesn't. Because the only thing in that midfield setup that changed is JOM/Mundy, and JOM is much more defensively accountable.
 
I’m a big fan of Brayshaw and Serong but they are not true game breakers I don’t think, compared to the very very top mids in the game. To me, in a flag winning midfield they are great second or third bananas. There needs to be another big alpha dog in there to be the number one midfielder. Serong and Brayshaw are kinda like Jack Viney or Shane Edwards or cam Guthrie or Jack Mcrae. That’s three or four flag winning kids from recent premiers. Lots of all Australian awards between them.
But your Bontompelli, Fyfe, Martin, Dangerfield Petracca types are the ones that get you across the line on grand final day.
Of course we still have Fyfe but he’s a pale shadow of the real Nathan Fyfe.
One of MJ or Ras could become that player but not for 4-5 years. Or maybe Heath Chapman??
I think AB and Serong are slightly limited by their size and lack of goal scoring threat. This isn’t a criticism of either guy BTW. People like Viney and Mcrae are top top players.
I think Young is that type of player who has the core strength to not go to ground.
Brayshaw, JOM, Serong get pushed off the ball.
The other alternative is someone who can read the play and be on the move
maybe a Chapman, Johnson.
Really depends on Chapman’s injury.
I wouldn’t play him this year and get him right for preseason.
Erasmus is that defensive midfielder who can still win his own ball.
We also need to find that Cerra replacement who is inside/outside.
After last years success I’m at a loss with Brodie?
 

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Nah JOM is the 'cherry on top' for the midfield and belongs in there but we can't leave Brodie out any longer. He is a clearence beast and will make a big difference. We can move one of the younger players like Ras to half forward or Brashaw to a wing which more suits his abilities.
I agree no way JOM plays wing. I thought JOM was good on weekend but for wing you need to have great endurance - whereas JOM doesn’t have great endurance and high level gut running. I just can’t see JOM being successful on the wing. At Hawks he rotated between on ball and half forward. He has a nice set shot and uses his strong body quite well to take a mark or being the ball to ground.

He and Fyfe could swap between forward and on ball. Out of the players mentioned Brayshaw could play wing it’s whether the club want to go that direction. Serong, Brodie and Erasmus clearance players. Michael Johnson a bit more inside and out but could run through the centre along with Aish from time to time.

Shame Brodie is injured but after a run around with Peel for conditioning we need to get him back into the team.
 
The question is how long does it take Erasmus and Johnson tbh. They've both come a long way already.

I expected more from Brodie and JOM this season. They've both been disappointing. Also thought we needed Fyfe back in the middle which obviously hasn't happened.

I do think NOD's kicking last year was a bit of a fluke tbh. Wouldn't mind him stepping in on the inside a little more than he does. Can still play wing as needed too.
 
Brodie had the most contested possessions and clearences on our team that game. Brodie has a quick burst of speed so he can definitely hold players accountable but for one reason or another hasn't done that this season. You have to remember our midfield coach has no clue when it comes to positioning at stoppages.

... because opposition clubs figured out they could lure him to the ball leaving his direct opponent alone, then handball to his direct opponent to clear it. Most of the time it worked and I'm not sure out stoppage plan is complicated enough to facilitate switching opponents as the ruckman's hand touches the ball.
 
Change of topic here but how long is Ethan Stanley contracted for?
Not sure of the mid season draft contract lengths, but he looks the most likely of those outside our best 22 to make it
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Change of topic here but how long is Ethan Stanley contracted for?
Not sure of the mid season draft contract lengths, but he looks the most likely of those outside our best 22 to make it
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Currently contracted for the rest of this year.
 

Analysis: Josh Treacy’s future within Fremantle’s forward line, after three goals against Collingwood​

He’s a step above state league football but still searching for AFL consistency. ELIZA REILLY examines an equal career high three-goal outing against Collingwood to reveal Josh Treacy’s best fit for the Dockers.

4 min read
July 18, 2023 - 8:00AM

Josh Treacy is still searching for consistency in Fremantle’s AFL side but has shown attributes that could help the Dockers’ forward line. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Josh Treacy is still searching for consistency in Fremantle’s AFL side but has shown attributes that could help the Dockers’ forward line. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

When asked what Fremantle can take out of Saturday’s 46-point loss to Collingwood, young forward Josh Treacy declared: “A lot of positives”.
He should be including himself in that assessment.

Second-year forward Jye Amiss has received a lot of praise for his role in the Dockers’ reshaped forward line this season and deservedly so. In 16 games, he’s kicked 31 goals and is currently ranked equal-16th in the Coleman Medal standings.
But when Amiss had a quiet afternoon at the MCG, Treacy stepped up to the plate.
On a day when Fremantle’s attackers failed to fire, Treacy took ownership of the forward line. His leading patterns caught out Collingwood’s stringent defence and his strength was on full display, easily casting aside Nathan Murphy in a marking contest early in the fourth quarter to kick his second. He took five marks for the afternoon, two of which were contested.
Sure the game was over by half-time. But the 20-year-old kicked an equal career-high three goals against the best defence in the competition. And he achieved it from just 35 inside 50s for the game, well down on Fremantle’s average of 50 per match.
“It’s not easy when you’re going good. It’s a good challenge though,” Treacy said of the limited supply.
“I don’t think it will ever be easy playing against some of the blokes that we do. It’s an exciting challenge I look forward to every week with Jye and Jacko (Luke Jackson). I wouldn’t say it’s a tough spot to be playing.”

Treacy’s career so far can be split into three segments. He came to the club as a rookie in the 2020 draft, barely playing any football in his top-age year due to Covid-19 restrictions. But when he arrived at Fremantle, his 193cm frame had the Dockers questioning whether they’d drafted a teenager or a 50-game key forward.
After just two WAFL games, it was clear that Treacy was already a step above the state league. He kicked seven goals in his second game and made his AFL debut in round four against Hawthorn. Treacy played 16 games that season and excited Fremantle fans with his physicality around the ground and willingness to crash packs.
Phase two wasn’t as generous. Treacy played just four games in 2022, watching from the sidelines as Fremantle stormed into the finals. Injuries and a viral illness stagnated his career and despite fighting on in the WAFL, Treacy was unable to press for senior selection.
Which brings us to phase three. Of all the players vying for senior selection over summer, Treacy was tipped as the player to take the next step by coach Justin Longmuir.
“Sometimes we forget how young is, he only just turned 20. He probably plays a bit more maturely and we think he’s a little bit older even internally,” Longmuir told SEN in January.
“He’s really improved his fitness and he’s creating some really good opportunities for himself and his teammates at training. He’s the one that looks like he’s taking another step.”

After being overlooked in favour of Amiss for Fremantle’s breakthrough finals campaign, Treacy flipped the script. The Bendigo product overtook Amiss with a faultless pre-season and was selected ahead of him in round one.
But after playing in Fremantle’s loss to St Kilda, Treacy was dropped and spent the next six weeks fighting for a recall via the WAFL. That came in round eight against Hawthorn. Treacy has played 10 consecutive games since, penning a three-year contract extension towards the back end of that streak.
“I‘ve had a bit of an up and down three years, but I’m certainly on the way up and hopefully I can continue to build for another three years,” Treacy said earlier this month.
“It‘s been a bit of a challenge but I think for the better. Without having gone through those issues, I don’t know if I’d be in the situation I am right now.”

Now to phase 3A. Fremantle won’t be playing finals this year but the Dockers can spend the rest of the season developing synergy with their forward line of the future.
Treacy hasn‘t set the stats sheet on fire this year. He’s averaging 8.1 disposals, 1.2 marks inside 50, 0.8 contested marks and one goal per game, ranking below average in those markers of a key forward. But he still has an important role to play.
If Amiss is the silky lead-up key forward and Jackson is the athletic back-up ruck, then Treacy is the battering ram who crashes packs for fun. The former pair will go down in the books as having had more successful seasons on the scoreboard. But if he can achieve greater consistency and play as he did against Collingwood more often, Treacy has the attributes to make a strong pair an exceptional trio.

“I think it‘s slowly starting to click and hopefully it’s something that grows over the next three years,” Treacy said. “I’m extremely excited to see what the potential is.
“We‘re all different players as well. For me, I’m a bit more of a physical player, although I’m not saying that the others aren’t. We’ve all got different weapons and I think we bounce off each other really well. We feel like we’re growing every week as a collective.”
Now imagine what it could look like when the three of them all fire at once.
 

Analysis: Josh Treacy’s future within Fremantle’s forward line, after three goals against Collingwood​

He’s a step above state league football but still searching for AFL consistency. ELIZA REILLY examines an equal career high three-goal outing against Collingwood to reveal Josh Treacy’s best fit for the Dockers.

4 min read
July 18, 2023 - 8:00AM

Josh Treacy is still searching for consistency in Fremantle’s AFL side but has shown attributes that could help the Dockers’ forward line. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Josh Treacy is still searching for consistency in Fremantle’s AFL side but has shown attributes that could help the Dockers’ forward line. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

When asked what Fremantle can take out of Saturday’s 46-point loss to Collingwood, young forward Josh Treacy declared: “A lot of positives”.
He should be including himself in that assessment.

Second-year forward Jye Amiss has received a lot of praise for his role in the Dockers’ reshaped forward line this season and deservedly so. In 16 games, he’s kicked 31 goals and is currently ranked equal-16th in the Coleman Medal standings.
But when Amiss had a quiet afternoon at the MCG, Treacy stepped up to the plate.
On a day when Fremantle’s attackers failed to fire, Treacy took ownership of the forward line. His leading patterns caught out Collingwood’s stringent defence and his strength was on full display, easily casting aside Nathan Murphy in a marking contest early in the fourth quarter to kick his second. He took five marks for the afternoon, two of which were contested.
Sure the game was over by half-time. But the 20-year-old kicked an equal career-high three goals against the best defence in the competition. And he achieved it from just 35 inside 50s for the game, well down on Fremantle’s average of 50 per match.
“It’s not easy when you’re going good. It’s a good challenge though,” Treacy said of the limited supply.
“I don’t think it will ever be easy playing against some of the blokes that we do. It’s an exciting challenge I look forward to every week with Jye and Jacko (Luke Jackson). I wouldn’t say it’s a tough spot to be playing.”

Treacy’s career so far can be split into three segments. He came to the club as a rookie in the 2020 draft, barely playing any football in his top-age year due to Covid-19 restrictions. But when he arrived at Fremantle, his 193cm frame had the Dockers questioning whether they’d drafted a teenager or a 50-game key forward.
After just two WAFL games, it was clear that Treacy was already a step above the state league. He kicked seven goals in his second game and made his AFL debut in round four against Hawthorn. Treacy played 16 games that season and excited Fremantle fans with his physicality around the ground and willingness to crash packs.
Phase two wasn’t as generous. Treacy played just four games in 2022, watching from the sidelines as Fremantle stormed into the finals. Injuries and a viral illness stagnated his career and despite fighting on in the WAFL, Treacy was unable to press for senior selection.
Which brings us to phase three. Of all the players vying for senior selection over summer, Treacy was tipped as the player to take the next step by coach Justin Longmuir.
“Sometimes we forget how young is, he only just turned 20. He probably plays a bit more maturely and we think he’s a little bit older even internally,” Longmuir told SEN in January.
“He’s really improved his fitness and he’s creating some really good opportunities for himself and his teammates at training. He’s the one that looks like he’s taking another step.”

After being overlooked in favour of Amiss for Fremantle’s breakthrough finals campaign, Treacy flipped the script. The Bendigo product overtook Amiss with a faultless pre-season and was selected ahead of him in round one.
But after playing in Fremantle’s loss to St Kilda, Treacy was dropped and spent the next six weeks fighting for a recall via the WAFL. That came in round eight against Hawthorn. Treacy has played 10 consecutive games since, penning a three-year contract extension towards the back end of that streak.
“I‘ve had a bit of an up and down three years, but I’m certainly on the way up and hopefully I can continue to build for another three years,” Treacy said earlier this month.
“It‘s been a bit of a challenge but I think for the better. Without having gone through those issues, I don’t know if I’d be in the situation I am right now.”

Now to phase 3A. Fremantle won’t be playing finals this year but the Dockers can spend the rest of the season developing synergy with their forward line of the future.
Treacy hasn‘t set the stats sheet on fire this year. He’s averaging 8.1 disposals, 1.2 marks inside 50, 0.8 contested marks and one goal per game, ranking below average in those markers of a key forward. But he still has an important role to play.
If Amiss is the silky lead-up key forward and Jackson is the athletic back-up ruck, then Treacy is the battering ram who crashes packs for fun. The former pair will go down in the books as having had more successful seasons on the scoreboard. But if he can achieve greater consistency and play as he did against Collingwood more often, Treacy has the attributes to make a strong pair an exceptional trio.

“I think it‘s slowly starting to click and hopefully it’s something that grows over the next three years,” Treacy said. “I’m extremely excited to see what the potential is.
“We‘re all different players as well. For me, I’m a bit more of a physical player, although I’m not saying that the others aren’t. We’ve all got different weapons and I think we bounce off each other really well. We feel like we’re growing every week as a collective.”
Now imagine what it could look like when the three of them all fire at once.
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What's our scope to give us another list spot with kueks ACL?


Delist Reidy and sign him as a SSP pick?

Kuek goes on the LTI list in January opening that spot for Reidy?
Tbh I haven't minded what I've seen with Reidy so far. I'll put it this way - I've seen more AFL potential in him than I saw in Hamish Free last year who also ended up on an AFL list.

Short of recruiting a delisted ruck who's currently on an AFL list I don't see us doing much better than Reidy and certainly not at a reasonably young age.

Keep all our KPFs and rucks and I think we have one too many tbh. Without Kuek it's the right amount but Taberner and Corbett could both be cut as soon as next year.

I'd re-sign Reidy and if the injury is bad enough for Kuek replace him with a SPP selection that plays an entirely different position. Probably midfield or small forward tbh.
 

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Tbh I haven't minded what I've seen with Reidy so far. I'll put it this way - I've seen more AFL potential in him than I saw in Hamish Free last year who also ended up on an AFL list.

Short of recruiting a delisted ruck who's currently on an AFL list I don't see us doing much better than Reidy and certainly not at a reasonably young age.

Keep all our KPFs and rucks and I think we have one too many tbh. Without Kuek it's the right amount but Taberner and Corbett could both be cut as soon as next year.

I'd re-sign Reidy and if the injury is bad enough for Kuek replace him with a SPP selection that plays an entirely different position. Probably midfield or small forward tbh.
Sorry I meant to keep Reidy but this allows us to basically take an extra pick into the rookie draft i.e let's us delist a main list player and rookie them (wagner, Hughes, Corbett)

Then picking up Reidy in the ssp because Noone will poach him

I spose we could just skip all that and do it with kuek though, (means one less downgrade spot before the draft though) not sure how the AFL will see us bending the ssp rules like that, my original way helps us alleviate list spot pressure
 
Kueks ACL is a disaster from a list management POV, as well as being horrible luck for him personally. You have to think the chances of him making it to AFL level now are pretty slim. Missing a whole season of footy when you are a raw project player is disastrous for development.
Yeah which is why I reckon we should do a little loophole through the ssp to ensure we have an extra on the list

Kuek would be getting paid outside the cap anyway as a rookie so all it would cost us is an extra 80k or so
 
Treacy has no intention of leaving. He is enjoying being at Freo and in particular he is enjoying the chemistry that is developing between himself and Jye.

We will get an announcement about a contract extension soon.

The Club likes to space these announcements out for maximum effect.

Anymore goss for us secret ITK guy ?
 
I can see Sam Sturt kicking 10 more goals between now and the end of the season and us still delisting him because we have not spots available and too many inferior players are signed up to the end of 2024.
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Primary list:
Sam Sturt, Nathan Wilson, Joel Hamling, Liam Henry, Travis Colyer, Eric Benning - Out of contract
Darcy, Schultz, Taberner, Cox - Contracted but potentially seeking new clubs next season

O'Meara, Serong, Clark, Fyfe, Brayshaw, Jackson, Walters, Aish, Ryan, Brodie, Amiss, Pearce, Young, Chapman, Erasmus, Frederick, Treacy, Switkowski, Johnson - Contracted until at least 2025

Rookie list:
Josh Draper (until 2025) can be on the Cat-B rookie list until end of 2025
Conrad Williams (until 2023) can be on the Cat-B rookie list until end of 2025

Karl Worner (until 2025) can spend 2024 on the rookie list but has to be elevated for 2025
Sebit Kuek (until 2024) can spend at least 2024 on the rookie list, potentially 2025 - LTI will open a list space for preseason
Liam Reidy (until 2023) can be on the rookie list for 2024 and 2025
Ethan Stanley (until 2023) can be on the rookie list for 2024, 2025, potentially 2026
 
Primary list:
Sam Sturt, Nathan Wilson, Joel Hamling, Liam Henry, Travis Colyer, Eric Benning - Out of contract
Darcy, Schultz, Taberner, Cox - Contracted but potentially seeking new clubs next season

O'Meara, Serong, Clark, Fyfe, Brayshaw, Jackson, Walters, Aish, Ryan, Brodie, Amiss, Pearce, Young, Chapman, Erasmus, Frederick, Treacy, Switkowski, Johnson - Contracted until at least 2025

Rookie list:
Josh Draper (until 2025) can be on the Cat-B rookie list until end of 2025
Conrad Williams (until 2023) can be on the Cat-B rookie list until end of 2025

Karl Worner (until 2025) can spend 2024 on the rookie list but has to be elevated for 2025
Sebit Kuek (until 2024) can spend at least 2024 on the rookie list, potentially 2025 - LTI will open a list space for preseason
Liam Reidy (until 2023) can be on the rookie list for 2024 and 2025
Ethan Stanley (until 2023) can be on the rookie list for 2024, 2025, potentially 2026
Dont we have to move Banfield and Treacy to the main list for 2024? From the rookie list?
 
I can see Sam Sturt kicking 10 more goals between now and the end of the season and us still delisting him because we have not spots available and too many inferior players are signed up to the end of 2024.
Dockery

I’m doubtful, Colyer, Wilson, Bennings, Hamling is pretty easy. Could delist and rookie list Taberner, Corbett, Kuek without much risk of losing them. May lose Henry. I don’t see a big issue.
 
Plus, I doubt we’d find anything better with our 3rd pick anyway (Carlton’s 3rd rounder, currently 47)

You’re probably right but at the same time if we have that selection by draft night there is absolutely zero chance we’re not using it.

Don’t think that selection has any real impact on whether Sturt stays on the list anyway though.
 
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