Preview 2022 draft prospects

[eth-dog]

GWS have said they will bid on Davey, is that it?

Because otherwise you’re talking about expending a 2023 2nd to ensure you get to use your 2022 2nd, in a supposedly weaker draft. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me aside from, as you say, that you have 5 senior list spots to fill.

It looks more likely than not. If we do trade back from pick 5 as rumoured we'd be getting an F1 as part of the deal most likely so I can see us seeing that F2 as expendable.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think you've misunderstood. Either trading up from 22 to get ahead of a bid. Or trading out 22 for a future second

So it's either Davey and a late first or Davey and a future 2nf or if noone bids, Davey and 22. It's well thought out.

Not if the original trade floated was 23 + 68 + F2, for 17 and 51.

That’s giving up a F2 to ensure a 2022 early second becomes a 2022 late first, and therefore usable.

Keeping their F2 and trading out of 23 for another F2 (if this is possible) seems like an exponentially better outcome. You end up with two players in a similar range, albeit having to wait a year, rather than one.

 

[cityslick1]

Hawks have 2x F2. They trade Dogs (possible top 8 team). Carlton and St. Kilda would be backing themselves to improve and make the top 8 so it'd be an F2 which could land in the 30's for a 20 pick upgrade. Both teams would probably take that third as their last pick of the draft so it's a major win for them.

I think if Jefferson doesn't slide you trade. Take the forward in Keeler, defender in Hayes or Weddle and then maybe an inside mid with the third

Why would we draft Jefferson when we have Ben king coming in next year.
Ohh, you didn’t know that….

Respectfully though, Jefferson won’t be there at 18, and I’d prefer Hayes as a tall. Hollands, Cowan or Allen sliding even better…

 

[sr36]

Not if the original trade floated was 23 + 68 + F2, for 17 and 51.

That’s giving up a F2 to ensure a 2022 early second becomes a 2022 late first, and therefore usable.

Keeping their F2 and trading out of 23 for another F2 (if this is possible) seems like an exponentially better outcome. You end up with two players in a similar range, albeit having to wait a year, rather than one.

But if they traded with us, they would've moved up to a different section of the draft and in the other scenario, the future second they trade in would be one not expected to be particularly high. For both them and us, it would depend on who is still on the board and whether we/they rate any of them well above what we think will be still there at 22.

 

[eth-dog]

Why would we draft Jefferson when we have Ben king coming in next year.
Ohh, you didn’t know that….

Respectfully though, Jefferson won’t be there at 18, and I’d prefer Hayes as a tall. Hollands, Cowan or Allen sliding even better…

If he doesn't go to Melbourne I see him slipping to you. I don't think Hollands or Allan will get past WC and Sydney honestly. Cowan could slip to your second pick too honestly.

Hayes or Weddle will be at our pick.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I've recorded votes by 28 posters and thx to KinderSmock the nexus between Hayes and Hewett is broken, Lewis Hayes takes the outright lead, Keeler has made a move over the weekend (thx to an impressive highlights reel) and Weddle moves to outright 3rd thanks to Jelly Bean and sr36

	In a heartbeat		Realistic Candidates	Votes
1	Will Ashcroft		Lewis Hayes	6​
2	George Wardlaw		Elijah Hewett	5​
3	Elijah Tsatsas		Josh Weddle	4​
4	Harry Sheezel		Henry Hustwaite	3​
5	Aaron Cadman		Isaac Keeler	2​
6	Bailey Humphrey		Edward Allen	1​
7	Jhye Clark		Harry Barnett	1​
8	Reuben Ginbey		Oliver Hollands	1​
9	Mattaes Phillipou		Brayden George	1​
10	Cameron McKenzie		Ollie Hotton	1​
11	Jedd Busslinger		Matthew Jefferson	1​
12	Oliver Hollands
			Jedd Busslinger	0​
	Jaspa Fletcher		Jacob Konstanty
	Alwyn Davey Jnr		Lachie Cowan

Have you registered my Hewett vote? Please & thank you

 

[Jen2310]

Have you registered my Hewett vote? Please & thank you

Apparantely he is a flight risk.

 

[RobJD]

Have you registered my Hewett vote? Please & thank you

Yes, registered your vote for Hewett on the 15th or 16th of this month - you're in

 

[Harry O]

Realistic order of preference for our first pick -
Busslinger Hollands Jefferson Hewett Weddle George Hayes

 

[cityslick1]

Apparantely he is a flight risk.

Even the emoticon is eagles colours… it’s a sign!

 

[cityslick1]

Realistic order of preference for our first pick -
Busslinger Hollands Jefferson Hewett Weddle George Hayes

Would personally put weddle towards the end of that list. Think they’ve learned 192cm does not a KPP make…
And others are better HBF options…

 

[manicpie]

Apparantely he is a flight risk.

That's what I told my wife 40 years ago and i'm still here

 

[Harry O]

Would personally put weddle towards the end of that list. Think they’ve learned 192cm does not a KPP make…
And others are better HBF options…

We desperately need to nail some national draft selections for once. Ability over position

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We desperately need to nail some national draft selections for once. Ability over position

Moreover, we need to nail a high-ceiling guy or two. We’ve been doing well trading for role-players, I’m prepared to take some swings for someone who could genuinely change our fortunes over the next 5-10 years.

 

[Scodog10]

If 4 is on the table then they are clearly open to moving down the order. How far? Who knows.

Yeah it’s fanciful we’ll have the capital for it (Dodo will probably want 20 picks for it). But no harm in a hypothetical.

Let’s be honest, the players we are speculating/wanting in this thread Hine probably won’t pick anyway lol. But yet… we do it.

They want to drop far enough to bring in more assets and still access Philippou. WC at 8 and maybe Carlton at 10 are the only spots I can see as realistic opportunities.

The only way to make it remotely discussion worthy is ask whether they take Philippou without sliding?.. Because I can’t see WC giving up a future 2nd and Carlton I can’t see doing it, IMO.

FWIW I think he’s a lock to Essendon because he’s no 5 on their draft board and they’re just angling for more value.

 

[Scodog10]

Moreover, we need to nail a high-ceiling guy or two. We’ve been doing well trading for role-players, I’m prepared to take some swings for someone who could genuinely change our fortunes over the next 5-10 years.

You mean George? He’s probably the only guy likely to get to us who fits the mould.

 

[Fat Jesus]

 

[The Royal Sampler]

You mean George? He’s probably the only guy likely to get to us who fits the mould.

George, Keeler, whichever smoky Hine manages to identify I’m fine with that.

Don’t want to hear how guys are versatile, or can play a role for us. We’ve not got a whole lot left in Pendles, Howe, Elliott etc. who are real x-factor players. If we pick vanilla Poulter types I’ll spew up.

 

[Scodog10]

George, Keeler, whichever smoky Hine manages to identify I’m fine with that.

Don’t want to hear how guys are versatile, or can play a role for us. We’ve not got a whole lot left in Pendles, Howe, Elliott etc. who are real x-factor players. If we pick vanilla Poulter types I’ll spew up.

I’m loathe to do this re U18’s because you just don’t know what’s going to happen once they enter the system, but this comment just screams Hustwaite to me.

 

[Mick F]

What’s Essendon’s urgency to take a guy in the late teens this year, as opposed to using their future second in a supposedly stronger draft next year? Is it simply a matter of betting on yourselves to improve, or is there a particular target you can’t do without between your own first and Davey Jnr.?

Essendon need as many <30 picks as possible, as they continue their 20 year rebuild.

We need quality draftees ourselves.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I’m loathe to do this re U18’s because you just don’t know what’s going to happen once they enter the system, but this comment just screams Hustwaite to me.

I get the same vibe. I’ll obviously back Hine’s judgement, but at least philosophically I think we should be targeting x-factor.

Hard with George because he was touted as a top-10 prospect pre-injury, but so was Lemmey and look what happened to him simply by playing! George couldn’t even get on the park so carries additional risk.

Keeler though, I get the concerns over his consistency, but he has tools others don’t. He might not be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with a key defender and protect the ball drop, but he can beat you;
a) on the ground
b) on the lead
c) in the air…

Prospects like that don’t grow on trees. In terms of setting him up for success, that’s a lot of areas in which he can win. The mere fact he’s been playing ruck, gives me cause for optimism regarding the contested side of his game.

Rather than waiting for a flanker like McMahon to hit, or Sam McLarty to finish turning around, take a ****ing swing on a guy with an elite ceiling in a shallow draft.

 

[Carlthetruth]

Once a bid is made the team have 5 minutes to trade and then match. In any case we'd probably already have a trade lined up if a bid came in before our pick. These guys are paid to think of these eventualities. You can wait until the last second to put in the bid and we'd still have 5 minutes to do the deal.

Half true, why will other clubs do Dodoro a solid when he spends all his time trying to screw other clubs? If a top 20 bid comes for Davey it could be absorbed and old Adrian is stuck with it because nobody wants to deal. And you vastly overrate Dodoro's ability to think quick, uses the fortnight of the trade period as a time bomb then throws in a take it or leave it ransom note with minutes to go.

 

[Carlthetruth]

Blair was a dominating mid in U18’s, won a league B+F or something similar. Think with Ollie’s limited weapons he’ll also be suited to a zippy forward pocket role rotating with minor stints as a third string mid only, not much more….

Blair Hotton, one of the worst comps ever, it's just the truth. Ollie has never played 'zippy forward pocket' in his life for a start.

 

[eth-dog]

Half true, why will other clubs do Dodoro a solid when he spends all his time trying to screw other clubs? If a top 20 bid comes for Davey it could be absorbed and old Adrian is stuck with it because nobody wants to deal. And you vastly overrate Dodoro's ability to think quick, uses the fortnight of the trade period as a time bomb then throws in a take it or leave it ransom note with minutes to go.

You're relying on club's not having their own best interests at heart. If I'm Carlton, would I prefer to have what I expect to be a mid 30's pick next year over an early 20's this year? St Kilda? Hawthorne? Club's aren't stupid.

 

[Apex36]

Welp. Looks like Essendon ain’t trading down the order if they really want him.