Preview 2022 draft prospects

[loki04]

I mean stoppage and particularly contested specialists. Guys like Walsh and NDaicos can play that handball receive role to an extremely high standard really early. But if you want to win the physical contests - don't send in youngsters - unless they're freaks.

Yeah can't argue with that.

 

[Apex36]

The more significant part which I'm betting on is the percentage of the list - into the future. It's no longer a list of 52 or whatever it was. You can't carry 15 guys who aren't AFL relevant anymore. you need a more balanced list, without carrying too many of one type. I think we're pretty close to that balance.

Hine has very specifically stated many times that he drafts for best available, and they trade for list balance. If he deems that 3 talls are the best players available he’ll draft them, it’s as simple as that.

That aside, to think that we would be carrying too many talls when we very clearly need developing KPP at both ends and in the ruck is laughable, as was your earlier statement of “if everyone is fit”, like that ever happens…

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think so too.

You see statements that I want one of these three for our first. Then a totally different group of three for our second. When in reality somone from the first group is likely to be available at the second.

It's not keeping me up at night though.

I think it goes without saying that if you’d like them at your first pick, you’d love them at your second.

People understandably don’t want to be pilloried for saying they’d love Hewett at our pick 27, or Barnett at 51. Some level of realism is appreciated.

 

[Bianconeri]

We actually only have Ruscoe as a VFL flanker. One of Kreuger or Johnson, whoever can't get a game, maybe even both will be better VFL depth than we'll have in other roles.

Ruscoe is the only VFL back flanker if you count Draper as a midfielder but I’d keep him in the back flank anyways and develop him there as I’m not as optimistic on his midfield prospects as others are. I agree that specifically back flanker is a need a lot more than some realise as we’re pretty screwed atm if John Noble or Nick Daicos go down our run from there is just going to dry up.

On forward flankers/wingers I think we have plenty though. There’s Bianco and Murley as pure flankers and then there are those who are pinned as inside mids in Harrison, Reef, Carmichael but will be flankers in the AFL a fair while before they get an inside mid chance. And that’s whiteout seeing which flanker gets pushed out by Bobby Hill.

I’ll concede on Johnson/Kreuger even though I don’t see the former as key forward and is some I’d hope is either developing his tank to play as a flanker or moves down back as Howe’s replacement.

 

[Rusty Beam]

It's interesting reading on here that posters say they'd like player A first pick, player B second pick, etc.

And yet it all goes out the window if someone slides or if we trade up the order.

It's not so clear as to whether posters want a specific player or they're just choosing them on the basis they think they'll be available.

From my perspective it’s both.

No point pining over a player who according to reports is unlikely to be available.

However that considered approach obviously changes should a prospect unexpectedly be available (in my case Hewett).

Dream draft for me now in order of preference and taking into account likely availability, (given Hewett is almost certain to slide):

Pick 16: Hewett / Hayes

Pick 25: Charlie Clarke / Brayden George / Lachie Cowan / Jakob Ryan

Pick 27: Isaac Keeler

Pick 51: Harry Lemmey / Adam D’Aloia / Joe Richards / Finn Emile-Brennan

 

[loki04]

I think it goes without saying that if you’d like them at your first pick, you’d love them at your second.

People understandably don’t want to be pilloried for saying they’d love Hewett at our pick 27, or Barnett at 51. Some level of realism is appreciated.

Interestingly Hewett apparently didn't get invited to the first round of the draft.

 

[loki04]

From my perspective it’s both.

No point pining over a player who according to reports is unlikely to be available.

However that considered approach obviously changes should a prospect unexpectedly be available (in my case Hewett).

WC going to get a steal. Hewett in the 2nd round.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Interestingly Hewett apparently didn't get invited to the first round of the draft.

That is indeed very surprising. He must be in the do-do now the clubs have managed to do their due diligence.

 

[cityslick1]

Still think Derek with go one of Hayes, Cowan or Hustwaite at pick 1.

Then he’s hoping for Ryan or another tall depending on pick 1, then a burgiel, Konstanty or Barnett to round out top 3, again depending on first 2 picks.

Keeler is the Smokey, depending on the result of all of our chats with him, and whether we’re convinced he has the right attitude and ability to get fit

 

[Rusty Beam]

WC going to get a steal. Hewett in the 2nd round.

Hopefully not

 

[The Royal Sampler]

On forward flankers/wingers I think we have plenty though. There’s Bianco and Murley as pure flankers and then there are those who are pinned as inside mids in Harrison, Reef, Carmichael but will be flankers in the AFL a fair while before they get an inside mid chance. And that’s whiteout seeing which flanker gets pushed out by Bobby Hill.

Murley is too slight to be counted amongst the options as yet, but I personally think Reef and Harrison are likely to be flankers if they make it.

Conversely I could see Carmichael playing some inside mid, and Draper has shown the most in that position.

 

[KJpie]

I think you’re underselling Frampton, but I’d still like to invest in a tall defender in Hayes anyway, simply because he’s ~8 years younger than Frampton.

Any time you can lock in a future key defender for the cost of a late first in a supposedly weak draft, you have to seriously look at it.

Agree with investing in a key defender, though I hope we pass on Hayes if there @ our first & choose a big powerful one on one type in Van Es with preferably our 3rd pick or 4th if luck falls our way (doubtful he's there).

Ideally Hewett gets to us with our first & we acquire a big bodied highly skilled Mid.
If not, Weddle or Barnett suit me fine with our first as realistic options and best in their categories there.

For me I'm happy to invest in Van Es with our 3rd who is the same height but is 100 Kgs or almost 20Kg's heavier than Hayes & carries this weight with ease. Hayes would be a wait a see project to get to the same weight & then how does that affect his Pace & athleticism. There are no such concerns with Van Es who tested of the charts at the national combine.
He has Hayes covered in every area athletically, finishing first in both the running & Vertical jump's (98 & 75), was 4th fastest in the 20m sprint (2.91) even @ his current weight.
The kid has a power game Hayes cannot match & is the superior one on one defender of the 2.

Edit: Van Es is reliable by foot & can kick the ball a mile. His kicking should only improve & will not be so important as he is that one on one low possession Defender who will kill the contest. He's not that intercept run off the man tall that we already have in Moore, Dean, Murphy, Frampton & Kruger if required.
In short he fills a need for us.

 

[KJpie]

WC going to get a steal. Hewett in the 2nd round.

If Dekka overlooks him here I'll call for his head

 

[zhoung]

Haha yes I'm hearing you Weddle does sound impressive.
Again as long as they become a good piece of our best 22 I'll be happy. Though happier with some choices then others.


Don't think we can afford a sub par pick with our first over the coming seasons.
I'm not quite as optimistic of out sub 21s group as others.
Not fussed if they take the risks after though as they screw them up more then land anyway.
Think we maybe in for the mother of all drop off's in a few years especially with Tasmania coming in soon.

Do you think this is the reason Hawks have gutted their list, so they can load up prior to Tassie draft concessions compromising multiple future drafts?

 

[KJpie]

Interestingly Hewett apparently didn't get invited to the first round of the draft.

Great, he makes it to us

 

[The Royal Sampler]

If Dekka overlooks him here I'll call for his head

Chances are that has happened, if we have a late first and yet he hasn’t been invited. West Coast have pick 20, so we’d likely need to take him with that first round pick.

 

[loki04]

Do you think this is the reason Hawks have gutted their list, so they can load up prior to Tassie draft concessions compromising multiple future drafts?

Might of been part of their reasoning. Still very risky with gutting it like that.

 

[Apex36]

Interestingly Hewett apparently didn't get invited to the first round of the draft.

It’s only top 10 prospects that get an invite this year iirc.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Agree with investing in a key defender, though I hope we pass on Hayes if there @ our first & choose a big powerful one on Van Es with preferably our 3rd pick or 4th if luck falls our way (doubtful).

Ideally Hewett gets to us with our first & we acquire a big bodied highly skilled Mid.
If not, Weddle or Barnett suit me fine with our first as realistic options and best in their categories there.

For me I'm happy to invest in Van Es with our 3rd who is the same height but is 100 Kgs or almost 20Kg's heavier than Hayes & carries this weight with ease. Hayes would be a wait a see project to get to the same weight & then how does that affect his Pace & athleticism. There are no such concerns with Van Es who tested of the charts at the national combine.
He has Hayes covered in every area athletically, finishing first in both the running & Vertical jump's (98 & 75), was 4th fastest in the 20m sprint (2.91) even @ his current weight.
The kid has a power game Hayes cannot match & is the superior one on one defender of the 2.

Hayes is rated higher based on foot skills, but Van Es is not a bad kick & can kick the ball a mile. The kicking will improve & will not be so important as he is that one on one beast who will kill the contest type backman & not that intercept run off the man tall that we already have in Moore, Dean, Murphy, Frampton & Kruger if required.
In short he fills a need for us.

Very comfortable with that approach to key defence. Van Es looks an excellent option if he somehow gets to 51.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It’s only top 10 prospects that get an invite this year iirc.

Interesting! So we might need to be more worried about West Coast at 12 than 20.

 

[Jen2310]

It’s only top 10 prospects that get an invite this year iirc.

yet 13 or more have been invited.

 

[Couch Coach]

It’s only top 10 prospects that get an invite this year iirc.

Apex36 Cal Twomey said there are 13 invitees.

12 have been published:

I have it as:

• Will Ashcroft
• Aaron Cadman
• George Wardlaw
• Harry Sheezel
• Elijah Tsatas
• Bailey Humphrey
• Reuben Ginbey
• Mattaes Phillipou
• Cameron Mackenzie
• Ollie Hollands
• Jhye Clark
• Jedd Busslinger

10 AFL prospects reportedly among wave of invitees for first-round of draft​

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The magical unnamed 13th player I would assume is Fletcher for F&S/Ashcroft/Brisbane photo shoots

 

[manicpie]

Still think Derek with go one of Hayes, Cowan or Hustwaite at pick 1.

Then he’s hoping for Ryan or another tall depending on pick 1, then a burgiel, Konstanty or Barnett to round out top 3, again depending on first 2 picks.

Keeler is the Smokey, depending on the result of all of our chats with him, and whether we’re convinced he has the right attitude and ability to get fit

Do you reckon we will take Weddle?, or will they go for Cowan? It could depend where we think they might fall. It's an interesting draft that seems to have us all guessing. Would be nice of one of Barnett or Keeler though

 

[KJpie]

Chances are that has happened, if we have a late first and yet he hasn’t been invited. West Coast have pick 20, so we’d likely need to take him with that first round pick.

Perfect, what a way to start the draft

 

[Apex36]

yet 13 or more have been invited.

It might be a shock to you, but clubs generally nominate more than one prospect, given that their first choice might be off the board.