2020 Planning thread - a.k.a pre-season misplaced confidence and collective insanity

[Cotchy9]

Macpherson and McCluggage
V
Dusty and Viney?

 

[Big Cox 88]

seroiusly whats the point of 16min qtr?

if your going to play a game of footy, whats an extra 4 min per qtr???
Play or dont play

The powers have wanted this to happen for a few years now. They finally have an excuse to execute it.

 

[guero]

Where did you find this info? Is there a way to get data from 2018?

You can get the data from AFL tables:
www.afltables.com/afl/stats/2018.html.

I put together a spreadsheet last night using the 2019 stats to highlight players that might benefit from 80% games. I’m just running with Doc and Pickett in tonight’s match - I need a sighter to make a call on types of players that might have upside.

Edit: spreadsheet attached.

 

[Lukesera]

Anyone else in panic mode with all the unknowns due to shortened quarters and season?

Do those players that rest forward now play full time mid?

I haven't considered Dusty much at all this preseason but now he's in my team.

Surely teams need their impact players in the guts for longer so instead of resting forward for 4 minutes a quarter they play out the whole quarter in the middle?

Idk. Probably over thinking it all

 

[Iceman!]

Rankine confirmed out for Round 1!

 

[mullpig88]

Anyone else in panic mode with all the unknowns due to shortened quarters and season?

Do those players that rest forward now play full time mid?

I haven't considered Dusty much at all this preseason but now he's in my team.

Surely teams need their impact players in the guts for longer so instead of resting forward for 4 minutes a quarter they play out the whole quarter in the middle?

Idk. Probably over thinking it all

It’s a solid point. Don’t expect to see Grundy out of the ruck much either. He was running out close to full games last year. Only way he could be affected is if the shorter turnarounds occur

 

[VSTone]

Max King another likely debutant.

 

[Lukesera]

Rankine’s replacement.
Ben Cavarra to debut Against Collingwood.

 

[TedDougChris]

Rankine’s replacement.
Ben Cavarra to debut Against Collingwood.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a time where we all need some good news, it doesn&#39;t get much better than this...<br><br>Ben Cavarra finally gets his chance!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MightyWest?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#MightyWest</a> <a href="https://t.co/r3OXWVesWI">pic.twitter.com/r3OXWVesWI</a></p>&mdash; Western Bulldogs (WESTERNBULLDOGS) <a href="">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No idea what happened to your coding, but that's come out of nowhere.... No Marsh series time..... Was listed as good in one of the intraclub games....

 

[jacka24]

Macpherson and McCluggage
V
Dusty and Viney?

I've currently got both MacPherson and McCluggage so i'd have to say them

 

[freo_leo29]

No idea what happened to your coding, but that's come out of nowhere.... No Marsh series time..... Was listed as good in one of the intraclub games....

Seems like a Bevo move

Could be in and out though?

Bevo gets pretty crazy at selections sometimes

 

[JDWCE]

So does this really hurt Whitfield.

He was a regular 4th quarter performer because his tank was so good.

He's a good player, and the good players will still score just as well i think. Wouldn't there still be junk time in 16 minute quarters too?

Presumably less time for blowouts and therefore less junk time.

If there ends up being multiple games played throughout weekdays etc then that probably brings blokes like Whitfield, Gaff, hell even Polec, into the equation even more. Theoretically they should be able to pump out another game at full fitness while others tire around them. Whitfield could pump out an 80 one game and 200 the next if it's played 3 days later. All hearsay, and I guess no one really knows. At least all our teams are going to be wildly different this season

 

[jacka24]

Sam Sturt for Freo confirmed

 

[Iceman!]

Seems like a Bevo move

Could be in and out though?

Bevo gets pretty crazy at selections sometimes

Definitely possible but i don't think we will be in a position to say not to a 170k bench option

 

[Briar Gold]

Sturt or Cavarra?

 

[JDWCE]

I'm in a small player dilemma... please help.

Weller & Cumming
vs
Howe & Rowbottom

Can see improvement in all, just can't pinpoint the exact amount of improvement in each. Weller probably has the least upside but is a safe as houses pick one would think

 

[TedDougChris]

Seems like a Bevo move

Could be in and out though?

Bevo gets pretty crazy at selections sometimes

My take on it - as best I can now.

One of the big takeaways from the Marsh 2 game was that we can get exposed with quick ball movement, and while our ability to move the ball is good, we lack footspeed to breakaway and kick it long and hope someone runs onto it.

Also, with Bruce, Naughton and a lesser extent Schache - quick ball movement from us and legspeed - can/could really work in our favour.

We are also lacking a second natural winger. Cavarra fits this mould. He's also been close a few times to selection, he's not a 17/18 year old in year one of his career, he just hasn't made his debut yet....

But will he stay in ????

 

[Piker]

I'm in a small player dilemma... please help.

Weller & Cumming
vs
Howe & Rowbottom

Can see improvement in all, just can't pinpoint the exact amount of improvement in each. Weller probably has the least upside but is a safe as houses pick one would think

I prefer Howe and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom is guaranteed to play inside mid, and Howe is an underpriced proven performer.

Cumming may not play each week, and will be sharing time in a stacked team, so a wide range of possible outcomes. Weller is a good pick, but as you say, a bit conservative.

 

[JDWCE]

I prefer Howe and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom is guaranteed to play inside mid, and Howe is an underpriced proven performer.

Cumming may not play each week, and will be sharing time in a stacked team, so a wide range of possible outcomes. Weller is a good pick, but as you say, a bit conservative.

Thanks. That's the push I needed

 

[Fitzey]

I feel like there will be a few more unexpected rookies like Cavarra named tonight, it happens most years. Really keen to see if we pick Bedford, in my opinion he deserves a spot, isn't going to rotate through the midfield as such but will play a high half forward role if named.

On another note I've been experimenting with a side with/without Grundy and I'm starting to think I might now start with him. Grundy averaged 42 hitouts a game last season. Shorter games mean less stoppages. Even if he loses say 10 points a game from hitouts its still a win. Grundy will still score well around the ground though so its a pretty big punt. English will score a bulk of his points around the ground aswell. These predicted averages are not based off the 16 min quarters because really, who knows how much that will change.

Option 1.
Grundy (120)
Rowbottom (85?)
Hanneberry (100)
= 305

Option 2.
English (90)
D.Martin (105)
McCluggage (105)

= 300

Option 3.
Natanui (80)
D.Martin (105)
Gaff (110)

= 305

Option 4.
English (90)
McPherson (100)
Gaff (110)
= 300

Im starting to lean towards option 2 and 4. But I have a feeling these 16 minute quarters could help Dusty play nearly full time mid.

 

[StickyMick]

Still finding myself having an internal battle over the whole Grundy vs Naismith R2/Ceglar ruck cover in the forward line strategy and might end up tossing a coin. It's killing me.

I feel like there will be a few more unexpected rookies like Cavarra named tonight, it happens most years. Really keen to see if we pick Bedford, in my opinion he deserves a spot, isn't going to rotate through the midfield as such but will play a high half forward role if named.

On another note I've been experimenting with a side with/without Grundy and I'm starting to think I might now start with him. Grundy averaged 42 hitouts a game last season. Shorter games mean less stoppages. Even if he loses say 10 points a game from hitouts its still a win. Grundy will still score well around the ground though so its a pretty big punt. English will score a bulk of his points around the ground aswell. These predicted averages are not based off the 16 min quarters because really, who knows how much that will change.

Option 1.
Grundy (120)
Rowbottom (85?)
Hanneberry (100)
= 305

Option 2.
English (90)
D.Martin (105)
McCluggage (105)

= 300

Option 3.
Natanui (80)
D.Martin (105)
Gaff (110)

= 305

Option 4.
English (90)
McPherson (100)
Gaff (110)
= 300

Im starting to lean towards option 2 and 4. But I have a feeling these 16 minute quarters could help Dusty play nearly full time mid.

I'm obsessed with owning English so I'd back you in for 2 and 4. Think he may even exceed the average you've got.

 

[Fitzey]

What do we realistically see McCluggage averaging? 105?

 

[Spider Klein]

If there ends up being multiple games played throughout weekdays etc then that probably brings blokes like Whitfield, Gaff, hell even Polec, into the equation even more. Theoretically they should be able to pump out another game at full fitness while others tire around them. Whitfield could pump out an 80 one game and 200 the next if it's played 3 days later. All hearsay, and I guess no one really knows. At least all our teams are going to be wildly different this season

Another view and a good spin on things. Definitely a consideration when trading in players once we know if there are multiple games.

 

[Spider Klein]

I feel like there will be a few more unexpected rookies like Cavarra named tonight, it happens most years. Really keen to see if we pick Bedford, in my opinion he deserves a spot, isn't going to rotate through the midfield as such but will play a high half forward role if named.

On another note I've been experimenting with a side with/without Grundy and I'm starting to think I might now start with him. Grundy averaged 42 hitouts a game last season. Shorter games mean less stoppages. Even if he loses say 10 points a game from hitouts its still a win. Grundy will still score well around the ground though so its a pretty big punt. English will score a bulk of his points around the ground aswell. These predicted averages are not based off the 16 min quarters because really, who knows how much that will change.

Option 1.
Grundy (120)
Rowbottom (85?)
Hanneberry (100)
= 305

Option 2.
English (90)
D.Martin (105)
McCluggage (105)

= 300

Option 3.
Natanui (80)
D.Martin (105)
Gaff (110)

= 305

Option 4.
English (90)
McPherson (100)
Gaff (110)
= 300

Im starting to lean towards option 2 and 4. But I have a feeling these 16 minute quarters could help Dusty play nearly full time mid.

I would lean towards 4 there. Personally I think Mcpherson is a better option than Mcluggage.

 

[Iceman!]

Kozzy Pickett + Toby Bedford will debut for the Demons