Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

[eastfreo75]

I'm with you, failure to bring in decent mature players in Bolton, Kelly or Martin for Hill and Langdon means we are up s**t creek and are three years off competing at a minimum

Got a feeling that we won’t get any of them.

Bolton loves it at Tigerland.

Kelly hates us.

Martin got a Vic partner.

 

[Taylor]

Buying wave after wave of players could destroy us medium to long term too

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Got a feeling that we won’t get any of them.

Bolton loves it at Tigerland.

Kelly hates us.

Martin got a Vic partner.

I agree but we have somehow found a way to bring good players into our club the last few years despite being shithouse so I assume we have some chance

 

[mightymouse75]

Freo. Where promising careers come to die

 

[blue shark]

Buying wave after wave of players could destroy us medium to long term too

West Coast in Simpson's first year bought over Xavier Ellis, Yeo and the next year Redden, drafted some great WA
players.
In two years and being bottom 8 to making a GF, Bribane are on their way with Hodge first then Neale.
We lack leadership, experience, I don't think Fyfe can do it all on his own.
You maybe right on Kelly's price? But others could be a steal and set the club up to raise standards.
Freo had their chance with Yeo, McGovern, but adding Sheed, Barrass proves they got it right with WA
talent.

 

[Joao]

I still think going to the draft with numerous high picks isn't the right option. Basically says that our last 4 years was a complete waste of time, as the rebuild is pretty much going to reset if we lose Langdon and the Hills but get no one in return other than draftees.

We will have to wait another 3 years at least before we become some sort of premiership threat where Walters and Fyfe won't be as effective.

My response is partially what Taylor said and also, if players want to leave, they want to leave. We don't have any say other than Brad, and all that is useful for is extracting more value.

All we can do is make the most of the currency it gives us. If there are players worth trading for we do that, otherwise we hit the draft. Ideally Fyfe and Walters are still awesome when we challenge, but if they are not, we'll survive.

Interesting related fact, no premiership team has ever had Nat Fyfe or Michael Walters in it.

I disagree that it invalidates the last four seasons.

We've added a huge amount of talent. We need more

This.

 

[blue shark]

West Coast in Simpson's first year bought over Xavier Ellis, Yeo and the next year Redden, drafted some great WA
players.
In two years and being bottom 8 to making a GF, Bribane are on their way with Hodge first then Neale.
We lack leadership, experience, I don't think Fyfe can do it all on his own.
You maybe right on Kelly's price? But others could be a steal and set the club up to raise standards.
Freo had their chance with Yeo, McGovern, but adding Sheed, Barrass proves they got it right with WA
talent.

Forgot Jetta, that's 6 players and an upgraded rookie best 22.

 

[Taylor]

I remember at the time West Coast fans being particularly upset over giving away a contracted Sinclair for Jetta who was only coming back to West Coast.

They were also not so impressed with Sheed, but the downgrade of their first that picking him allowed the trade for Yeo, who was also extremely inconsistent when playing all over the ground.

They got those players at the end of 2013. It was five years before they won a flag with them. Point? Players take time.

 

[nurries]

I remember at the time West Coast fans being particularly upset over giving away a contracted Sinclair for Jetta who was only coming back to West Coast.

They were also not so impressed with Sheed, but the downgrade of their first that picking him allowed the trade for Yeo, who was also extremely inconsistent when playing all over the ground.

They got those players at the end of 2013. It was five years before they won a flag with them. Point? Players take time.

And a solid game plan

 

[Taylor]

And a solid game plan

Their game plan has trouble when Kennedy and Darling aren't playing too, let alone when Kennedy, Darling and McGovern aren't playing.

 

[go_the_dockers]

yeah tl;dr - some WA players are hacks, we don’t have to have them at our club just because they want to come home.

We overpaid for Lobb as he does not fill a need.

This adds to your point. We need to target the right players.

 

[blue shark]

I remember at the time West Coast fans being particularly upset over giving away a contracted Sinclair for Jetta who was only coming back to West Coast.

They were also not so impressed with Sheed, but the downgrade of their first that picking him allowed the trade for Yeo, who was also extremely inconsistent when playing all over the ground.

They got those players at the end of 2013. It was five years before they won a flag with them. Point? Players take time.

WC also moved on Woosha's assistants, and even under Simpson have had rotation. Freo need better development, leadership, ideas.
We have seen the Blues, Suns, Dee's treasure top 10 picks and go nowhere, and WC add more 2nd rounders, WA talent.

 

[Taylor]

WC also moved on Woosha's assistants, and even under Simpson have had rotation. Freo need better development, leadership, ideas.
We have seen the Blues, Suns, Dee's treasure top 10 picks and go nowhere, and WC add more 2nd rounders, WA talent.

West Coast still took the eastern states development player with their first in the year they took some Western Australians with their seconds.

...and we actually have one extra Western Australian on our list than West Coast does.

 

[blue shark]

West Coast still took the eastern states development player with their first in the year they took some Western Australians with their seconds.

...and we actually have one extra Western Australian on our list than West Coast does.

That will change with Sandi, Balla, Kersten, Jones, Hills?

 

[theGav56]

That will change with Sandi, Balla, Kersten, Jones, Hills?

Most of those players are primarily on the list because the are WA players. Even Sandilands and Ballantyne may only have had their contracts extended because it is easy and convenient to retain WA players. Colyer's #1 credential seems be that he is West Australian, and that seems the same for Jones and Kersten.

Good decision making is the criteria, not the state of a players origin. Collectively for those players I named it is a bunch of poor decisions.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I still think going to the draft with numerous high picks isn't the right option. Basically says that our last 4 years was a complete waste of time, as the rebuild is pretty much going to reset if we lose Langdon and the Hills but get no one in return other than draftees.

We will have to wait another 3 years at least before we become some sort of premiership threat where Walters and Fyfe won't be as effective.

I see what you are saying. I think we key position players become available and suit your needs you take them.

Personally I am not sure we needed Lobb (and we paid overs for him), and Hogan has been injured.

I think if we lose Hill, Hill, and langdon then we are targeting a flag in 4-5 years after Walters and Fyfe has retired which makes it harder. We badly need to find 2 or 3 more A graders from somewhere, plus some class in the forward line.

 

[dockerfemme]

I have been thinking about examples of successful rebuilds, and it is very hard to find good models over the last 10 to 15 years.

Geelong and Hawthorn were well on the way at that point in time. Sydney have stayed up until now.

Brisbane were down a long time, 2009 the last time they played finals. They seemed to need off field change.

Melbourne down a long time, out of finals since 2006 I think until last year. Roos might have put them on a good path, but at the moment that is questionable.

Bulldogs out of finals from 2011 to 2014. Then a quick, successful, unlikely pop up, before more down. Still field a very young side.

The Eagles real down patch came 2008 to 2010. Yet there seems to be only 5 players on their list that came to them in those drafts, Nicnat, Shuey, Shepard, Darling and Gaff. They were out of finals 2013, 2014 but didn’t fall far.

Can anyone help me out?

 

[wild side]

I think you'll have to get it in your minds that Fyfe, Walters etc won't win a flag at Freo. Just like all the other battlers before them.
Fyfe had his chance, and he kicked very badly at goal.
Walters played a blinder, it wasn't his fault.
I can't see this franchise ever winning one

 

[Steinfreo]

Amassing kids and picks is becoming less and less valuable across many sports. You need to attract top talent with your off field stuff, show you have a direction, and if you can get a top 5 to 10 talent you always sell the farm no matter how many picks or kids it takes.

The nature of the game may make it a little different but in other sports it seems to be the way success is being built. Long term success is a bit less important. I dont really know maybe afl is different

 

[BlueE]

I remember at the time West Coast fans being particularly upset over giving away a contracted Sinclair for Jetta who was only coming back to West Coast.

They were also not so impressed with Sheed, but the downgrade of their first that picking him allowed the trade for Yeo, who was also extremely inconsistent when playing all over the ground.

They got those players at the end of 2013. It was five years before they won a flag with them. Point? Players take time.

+emphasis on skills and game plan, upgrade on assistants and experience playing finals, 2014 9th, 2015 3rd, 2016 6th, 2017 8th, 2018 1st.

All that being said while we can compare ourselves directly with WC with injuries and management of injuries we're similar in player ages and experience with Brisbane and Richmond. Both of those teams should give a better comparison, Brisbane with how to do a rebuild and RFC with choosing, mentoring and supporting young players.

 

[malpaso]

I can't see this franchise ever winning one

Then why are you here?

 

[Taylor]

That will change with Sandi, Balla, Kersten, Jones, Hills?

Ah Chee, Ainsworth, Rotham, Watson, McInnes could be on the block for them too.

 

[Superkoops]

Amassing kids and picks is becoming less and less valuable across many sports. You need to attract top talent with your off field stuff, show you have a direction, and if you can get a top 5 to 10 talent you always sell the farm no matter how many picks or kids it takes.

The nature of the game may make it a little different but in other sports it seems to be the way success is being built. Long term success is a bit less important. I dont really know maybe afl is different

Needs to be a balance. See an aging squad like Freo 2016 or Adelaide now who are falling away sharply.

What concerns me most is the drop away post bye for 3-seasons straight. So much promise in the first 10-11 games goes to poop.

Fremantle have two massive issues at the moment - depth and injuries. The backline has coped reasonably well but with the midfield which was weak to start with getting cut up ends up resulting in easy i50 entries.

Langdon swap for St Kilda or Melbourne’s early second rounder. BHill well he is under contract so needs to be a super deal or he stays. If we say end up with a pick 5 to go with our own pick 6 and we can’t get in the door T.Kelly then we deal with it.

There will be a few players from other clubs that we can recruit whilst keeping early picks we will be fine. Langdon’s valuable gut running will need to be replaced but from what I’ve seen his disposal wouldn’t be hard to replace with a top 25 draft pick.

I like the stance Freo created with Weller. For the depth trades as others have said more Conca/Lobb types and less Kersten/Colyer types.

 

[wild side]

Then why are you here?

I'm a masochist.

 

[GingerDocker]

The ever puzzling conundrum that is Freo can go around and around forever, but in my mind, I still think our list is reasonable, with a massive amount of improvement left in it.
I've caught some highlights of Levi Casboult over the last few days and it is amazing how a player, that has looked absolutely washed up and has performed like a c grade plodder for much of his career, suddenly turn it around and look a million bucks since Teague has taken over.
I'm still holding onto the hope that some new, fresh coaching ideas, either from a head coach or an assistant coach perspective could seriously revitalise our performances and put us back in finals contention...if it can happen with someone like Casboult, it can definitely happen to players on our list.