2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[Palmer Stoat]

Hillary will also win the female vote pretty handily -- as have all Democratic nominees in the last three decades.

Her being a woman will obviously help, but probably more significant are the foot-shooting tendencies of GOP campaigns on reproductive rights, equal pay, social safety net etc.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Christie and Fiorina are irrelevant. Neither will win the Republican nomination, even though it's a clown-show. Jeb Bush is a nut. Many of his policies as Florida governor, and recent quotes defending his brothers failed presidency confirms it.Hillary Clinton will most likely become the next US president for the reasons that are mentioned here.

I was wondering if you'd make an appearance in this thread, KS. HRC's got the nomination in the bag this time. Unless there's an economic downturn, I like her chances in the general too.

 

[ep2018]

It counts greatly when courting votes amongst Blacks, Latino's and other minorities

Yep, you don't win a US election without the black and latino vote.

 

[Godchin]

Trump is polling surprisingly well with black voters.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Trump is polling surprisingly well with black voters.

Source?

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Yep, you don't win a US election without the black and latino vote.

The GOP have been obliterated in terms of the African American vote for decades. Even in the supremely unlikely event that Carson is the GOP nominee, the Democrats will still win the black vote in a landslide, IMO. The Latino vote is less rusted on, but is still moving in a Democratic direction -- increasingly so, it seems, judging by the previous couple of election cycles. Same with the Asian vote.

GOP is hurtling into a demographic cul-de-sac. That's why a Republican reevaluation of their immigration policies (for starters) is IMO an inevitability. Trouble is, they've been cultivating the nativists and indulging in dogwhistle politicking for decades. Rock meet hard place.

 

[mellowyellow]

Trump is polling surprisingly well with black voters.

And Sanders is not which is somewhat perplexing given the issues hes running on

 

[Godchin]

Source?

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d950cadf-05ce-4148-a125-35c0cdab26c6

Although, looking at it again, it seems a bit flimsy since of the 1,000 surveyed, only 12% were black.

However, it's seemingly likely that he'll pull better than Bush did in 2004.

I don't think the black vote will drop off since Obama is out of the picture either. It has been around 60% and above since 2000.

And Sanders is not which is somewhat perplexing given the issues hes running on

Yes, quite amusing.

Get out of the way, grandpa.

Most African Americans don't even know about Sanders, which doesn't help.

 

[EagleShore]

Who cares? They're all puppets for the elite financial/banking sector and the MIC. Haven't people worked this out yet?

 

[EagleShore]

Is it? I'd probably prefer him over all other Republicans.

Do you...do you actually know about the history of the Bush family?

 

[mellowyellow]

Who cares? They're all puppets for the elite financial/banking sector and the MIC. Haven't people worked this out yet?

You mean Oligarchy and I think many Americans are aware of it just feel powerless to change it

 

[EagleShore]

You mean Oligarchy and I think many Americans are aware of it just feel powerless to change it

yes...though I also use the term corporatocracy given the massive extent of corporate infiltration of government (at worst, eg. US), and corporate lobbying (at best, eg. Australia), to the detriment of "the people".

 

[Jascave]

Which Presidential primary election will be the most critical in deciding who will get the nomination for US President from the Republican and Democratic parties?


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[Palmer Stoat]

Who cares? They're all puppets for the elite financial/banking sector and the MIC. Haven't people worked this out yet?

You've got a point, but to pretend that they're indistinguishable on reproductive rights, climate change (environment more generally), race relations, immigration, health care, taxation, gay rights, social safety net etc is manifestly untrue. There are absolutely significant differences. That's why elections are so keenly fought. Otherwise, why bother?

 

[Palmer Stoat]

And that's the end of Ben Carson's presidential ambitions. Baffling that he thought all those lies would somehow escape the notice of his opponents and the media -- most of them didn't even seem plausible. And then there was the thing about the pyramids being built by (Biblical) Joseph as grain silos...

And he led the GOP field in the last round of polls. Take a moment to think about that...

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Carson has single-handedly removed 'not exactly brain surgery' from the English lexicon.

 

[Messenger]

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Bwa-hahahahahaha. These people are beyond satire.

The interesting question with Carson is where, when his support craters over the next few weeks, his supporters will go. The obvious alternatives for the evangelicals who have flocked to Carson are Huckabee, Cruz, and Santorum. I don't think even Santorum's family are voting for him this time round, and Huckabee's polling has sunk so much that he's not even gonna make the main debate next time round (demoted to the kiddie table).

Reckon Cruz will be the beneficiary -- he's a dab hand at the pious hatefulness that seems to chime with the GOP Christianists. In the last little while some pundits have been predicting that it'll get down to Cruz v Rubio. They might be right. I still think Kasich would be a smart choice for the general election.

 

[EagleShore]

You've got a point, but to pretend that they're indistinguishable on reproductive rights, climate change (environment more generally), race relations, immigration, health care, taxation, gay rights, social safety net etc is manifestly untrue. There are absolutely significant differences. That's why elections are so keenly fought. Otherwise, why bother?

Yeah there are some differences but ultimately those are the sideshow that keep all of the public fighting with each other while they steal the democracy from under their noses. What Bush and the oil companies did in Florida (yes, over a decade ago) is evidence of this.

USDA, FDA, NSA, CIA and the rest of their alphabet soup agencies are using taxpayers' money against them. What is the phrase..."none are more helplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".

But by all means, the Presidential election and the candidates therein are worthy topics for debate, despite the fact that nothing of any true significance (given that the world is on fire) will actually change.

See Obama - "hope and change" and the belief in the eyes of so many - it touched my heart (granted this was before I woke up to the truth behind the US and their war agendas). Yet the wars in the ME have continued and escalated, with more deaths by drone strikes then ever before. And domestically, the homelessness rate and distribution of wealth (erosion of the middle class - not a socialist but Bernie Sanders has provided some rather disturbing statistics on this issue over the past decade) in the US has become worse during his tenure.

 

[Jascave]

Which US state would be the most critical in deciding who will be US President in a year's time from now?



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[Palmer Stoat]

Which US state would be the most critical in deciding who will be US President in a year's time from now?



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Well, if you're talking about the general election, it'll probably be one of the big swing states like Ohio or Florida. These are 'purple' states that are typically in play for both the GOP and the Democrats. If it's close, winning one of these states may be the tipping point.

 

[Elroo]

Carson found to have lied about receiving an award at Yale for honesty!!

Jes this only gets better!

 

[Messenger]

No, this is the end of Carson's run

 

[apparentlydead]

No, this is the end of Carson's run

Carson watched Croc Dundee it seems.

Any stories in there about a knife?

 

[medusala]

Trump is polling surprisingly well with black voters.

Hilary trying to bribe them with sentencing changes for crack vs cocaine

Utterly pathetic.