List Mgmt. 2015 Draft Thread - Pre-Season & Rookie Draft Friday 11:00am AEDT

[GoTigers2015]

Its prbably unlikely but if Broderick and Naish's sons are both first round talents It's going to make it tough getting the necessary points.
Under the new rules if someone below us bids a first rounder on Naish for example we have to use our first rounder (and additional points), we can't for example match the bid with 2 second round picks/points.
Then If someone was also to bid a first rounder on Broderick that would make it very difficult.
Certainly wouldnt want to be on-trading any of our 2017 picks next year if we really rate these kids

There is also Billy Lambert who is eligible in next years draft and Bailey Lambert the following year.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc...D=283705&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=30437246
http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2013/06/06/3776430.htm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...family-in-sydney/story-fngr8ie3-1226907065515

 

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Bishop got a sneaky feeling that Ryan Clarke could be in the frame for us at 15.

For those that don't know of him, he is a bigger bodied player(185cm 84kg) than Ah Chee, who looks to have both pace and endurance as well as an ability to win both inside and outside ball. Averaged 30 disposals 12 contested possessions 63.6%DE(acceptable for someone with high contested possessions) and 4.5 tackles per game at TAC level(12 games) also kicked 17 goals for the season. In the champs averaged 19 disposals 10.2 contested possessions 68.4% DE(again acceptable) and 3.2 tackles in 5 games.

With the new interchange cap coming in having midfielder types who can run all day and play multiple positions on the field will be important.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Bishop got a sneaky feeling that Ryan Clarke could be in the frame for us at 15.

For those that don't know of him, he is a bigger bodied player(185cm 84kg) than Ah Chee, who looks to have both pace and endurance as well as an ability to win both inside and outside ball. Averaged 30 disposals 12 contested possessions 63.6%DE(acceptable for someone with high contested possessions) and 4.5 tackles per game at TAC level(12 games) also kicked 17 goals for the season. In the champs averaged 19 disposals 10.2 contested possessions 68.4% DE(again acceptable) and 3.2 tackles in 5 games.

With the new interchange cap coming in having midfielder types who can run all day and play multiple positions on the field will be important.

Sounds like a BH pick.

 

[RockJobster0312]

Bishop got a sneaky feeling that Ryan Clarke could be in the frame for us at 15.

For those that don't know of him, he is a bigger bodied player(185cm 84kg) than Ah Chee, who looks to have both pace and endurance as well as an ability to win both inside and outside ball. Averaged 30 disposals 12 contested possessions 63.6%DE(acceptable for someone with high contested possessions) and 4.5 tackles per game at TAC level(12 games) also kicked 17 goals for the season. In the champs averaged 19 disposals 10.2 contested possessions 68.4% DE(again acceptable) and 3.2 tackles in 5 games.

With the new interchange cap coming in having midfielder types who can run all day and play multiple positions on the field will be important.

Think the knock on him is his hit and miss disposal.

Also reminds me a bit of Shaun Atley in his draft year insofar as the biggest knock on him was that he was a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none ki da player.

Wouldn't be disappointed if we selected him

 

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Think the knock on him is his hit and miss disposal.

Also reminds me a bit of Shaun Atley in his draft year insofar as the biggest knock on him was that he was a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none ki da player.

Wouldn't be disappointed if we selected him

When you're winning 1/3 to 1/2 your possessions in a contested situation you can accept a bit of hit and miss. No worse than what Cotchin produces most weeks efficiency wise. Starting to think that an inside/outside threat with elite endurance might be more valuable to us than someone like Ah Chee at 15.

 

[ryza87]

I bet at least Dusty knows which way the wind blows.

Cotchin doesn't

 

[RockJobster0312]

When you're winning 1/3 to 1/2 your possessions in a contested situation you can accept a bit of hit and miss. No worse than what Cotchin produces most weeks efficiency wise. Starting to think that an inside/outside threat with elite endurance might be more valuable to us than someone like Ah Chee at 15.

Id add to that especially at pick 15/16, so you make a fair point.

For me its interesting of we were to go that way, Matheison v Clarke. Both have inside outside ability though maybe Clarke has more pace, but Matheison has the ability to win first use of the pill. Clarke has endurance, Matheison not so much - but it can be improved. Both can go forward and kick goals.

Might be more on the side of Mathieson only cause he has a point of difference in his ability to obtain first possession.

Cant see us losing out with either player to be honest

 

[THE_GUN]

When you're winning 1/3 to 1/2 your possessions in a contested situation you can accept a bit of hit and miss. No worse than what Cotchin produces most weeks efficiency wise. Starting to think that an inside/outside threat with elite endurance might be more valuable to us than someone like Ah Chee at 15.

Think about the Clarkson Mantra - Only draft players with Elite kicking

Whats the point of getting 30 possesions a game and turning the ball over with 8-9 of them that cost you 2-3 goals
defeats the work you have done and you become a liability.

Elite disposal & Speed is what we should be looking to bring to the club, Dont really care who the player is but if he is a midfielder that has elite disposal and good pace - Im happy with that

 

[THE_GUN]

Id add to that especially at pick 15/16, so you make a fair point.

For me its interesting of we were to go that way, Matheison v Clarke. Both have inside outside ability though maybe Clarke has more pace, but Matheison has the ability to win first use of the pill. Clarke has endurance, Matheison not so much - but it can be improved. Both can go forward and kick goals.

Might be more on the side of Mathieson only cause he has a point of difference in his ability to obtain first possession.

Cant see us losing out with either player to be honest

Matheison just sounds like such a knob -

Kid needs to learn how to talk - LESS

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Cotchin doesn't

Any Port in a storm when it gets windy!...

 

[ryza87]

Sam Weideman, class act.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...ame-ankle-injury/story-e6frf3e3-1227405227863

WITH a famous surname like his, you would’ve expected Sam Weideman to have black and white blood pumping through his veins. Well there’s some black in that bloodstream. But not a lot of white.

Sam is the grandson of Collingwood team of the century member and premiership captain Murray Weideman, as well as the son of Mark Weideman, who played 28 games for the Magpies during the 1980s. Yet the youngest Weideman of the trio has been a passionate Richmond supporter since he was just two years old. There was a little period where I tried to go for the Pies when I was about 15, but it didn’t really stick.

So why the Tigers?

Me and my best mate just went to the games each week just watching ‘Richo’ (Matthew Richardson), Darren Gaspar and Joel Bowden — loved watching those guys run around,” Weideman said. “Even though we were losing a little bit, we just enjoyed every minute of it and it grew our love for the game by following the Richmond Football Club

Could be a potential slider if Burton and Oliver go top 10?

 

[RockJobster0312]

Matheison just sounds like such a knob -

Kid needs to learn how to talk - LESS

Same thing could be said about you brother

 

[RockJobster0312]

Could be a potential slider if Burton and Oliver go top 10?

Likely go to either Melbourne or Essendon.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Reckon the doggies will be all over Weidman...

 

[THE_GUN]

Same thing could be said about you brother

We are only brothers because my dad used to screw around too much, Now listen too your older brother and talk when you are spoken to

 

[GoTigers2015]

If Oliver is not available I would be ecstatic if we selected Burton. His highlights in the SANFL are really good. Of course this would be subject to medical advice. Reminds me a bit of Jack the way he plays.

 

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Think about the Clarkson Mantra - Only draft players with Elite kicking

Whats the point of getting 30 possesions a game and turning the ball over with 8-9 of them that cost you 2-3 goals
defeats the work you have done and you become a liability.

Elite disposal & Speed is what we should be looking to bring to the club, Dont really care who the player is but if he is a midfielder that has elite disposal and good pace - Im happy with that

So I assume we're getting rid of Cotchin then. His DE % wouldn't be much better through his career. Just because someone has a poor DE % doesn't mean they are a poor kick. Just like a high DE% doesn't mean they are a great kick.

 

[THE_GUN]

So I assume we're getting rid of Cotchin then. His DE % wouldn't be much better through his career. Just because someone has a poor DE % doesn't mean they are a poor kick. Just like a high DE% doesn't mean they are a great kick.

The thing is that Cotchin was better when he come to the club, Think we are making him worse lol

 

[JR82]

9 days to go, many options being discussed, is it possible to add a Poll to this thread?
listing 5-8 (around that mark) players that have been discussed here & if they were all there at our pick (won't happen but be keen to see how accurate we are) who we would prefer?

 

[Mr Magic]

It is not a salary cap issue next year. If we want to free up 5 or ots on the list, a few higher profile players would be in line for trading or delisting. Most of the slack has been cut out this year and unfortunately Morris has 2 years left on his contract (end of 2017).

At this stages the most likely seems to be Lloyd, Hammer and then some hard decisions after that. For this reason we may only choose 2 players in the draft and have 38 senior players on the list. Although if there's a player we fancy still available at our third pick, better off pick him to guarantee that he is a tiger.

There is another possible reason for trading players next season. We have potentially a few father son picks in the 2017 draft. If these guys are good then we may need extra draft picks (points) in 2017.

To me that does not make a lot of sense. You do not trade players out just to get father sons. We are in the business of winning premierships not creating love ins! Ultimately its best available and if the father sons suit at value fine. Either way some like Chaplin and others will be moved on at some point or take pay cuts for upgrades and we bring in the likes of Goldstein and other elite talents. It is basically what we need to do to shape our list into contention IMO.

So Lloyd may not be a world beater but for what he brings at value he could easily remain a player in demand unlike some others on bigger coin costing us salary space and opportunities to improve the team output considerably

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If Oliver is not available I would be ecstatic if we selected Burton. His highlights in the SANFL are really good. Of course this would be subject to medical advice. Reminds me a bit of Jack the way he plays.

Perfect fit for lolnorf.lolnorf type crowd.

 

[ryza87]

Anyone of these players and I'll be happy (first four on the list will most likely will be gone, but you never know)...

Weideman
Milera
Curnow
Oliver
Burton
Ah Chee

 

[GoTigers2015]

To me that does not make a lot of sense. You do not trade players out just to get father sons. We are in the business of winning premierships not creating love ins! Ultimately its best available and if the father sons suit at value fine. Either way some like Chaplin and others will be moved on at some point or take pay cuts for upgrades and we bring in the likes of Goldstein and other elite talents. It is basically what we need to do to shape our list into contention IMO.
So Lloyd may not be a world beater but for what he brings at value he could easily remain a player in demand unlike some others on bigger coin costing us salary space and opportunities to improve the team output considerably

Not suggesting to trade players for father son picks, however recruiters will need to bear this in mind if they plan to delist/trade players to free up space for next year's draft and trade targets.

If we are going to bring in a few draftees next year or try to snare a gun from another team, then there are not many obvious choices for delisting or trading. I do like Lloyd as he gives 100% when plays. I also noticed towards the end of last season he improved his work rate in the forward line. IMO he is only a stop gap. He is limited is several areas. Not fast, has a low endurance and against better teams he seem have less impact. There has been no news if he has even been re-signed. They may ever cut him this season, but I hope not as we do need to develop Butler / Short first.

 

[Mr Magic]

Not suggesting to trade players for father son picks, however recruiters will need to bear this in mind if they plan to delist/trade players to free up space for next year's draft and trade targets.

If we are going to bring in a few draftees next year or try to snare a gun from another team, then there are not many obvious choices for delisting or trading. I do like Lloyd as he gives 100% when plays. I also noticed towards the end of last season he improved his work rate in the forward line. IMO he is only a stop gap. He is limited is several areas. Not fast, has a low endurance and against better teams he seem have less impact. There has been no news if he has even been re-signed. They may ever cut him this season, but I hope not as we do need to develop Butler / Short first.

Of course Lloyd is probably not going to make our premiership team in a GF but who knows. If our team mix has world beaters in most other positions and Lloyd on cheaper coin Allows that with an odd injury or 2 so be it.

I think the candidates are pretty obvious. Age has a big bearing and those on bigger coin not meeting the demands of other options would be most vulnerable. For example if we got Goldstein we would be banking on him being fit in the GF and not waste money on a high end sub

 

[GoTigers2015]

Of course Lloyd is probably not going to make our premiership team in a GF but who knows. If our team mix has world beaters in most other positions and Lloyd on cheaper coin Allows that with an odd injury or 2 so be it.

I think the candidates are pretty obvious. Age has a big bearing and those on bigger coin not meeting the demands of others options would be most vulnerable. For example if we got Goldstein we would be banking on him being fit in the GF and not waste money on a high end sub

I have a fair idea of who you will suggest instead of him.