List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft - what type of players should we be looking at & who do we take? (Poll added)

[Funk]

Well im guessing the foot issues aren't degenerative or anything major to worry about (otherwise he would've fallen down the phantom drafts majorly) and on the second point, he plays like a Birchall in that he is a tall non lock down defender, so he's more attacking minded, but can do a job on a third or second best tall if needed. There's huge upside albeit as well as a couple of question marks I'll admit, but he seriously looks like he would compliment our future key defenders perfectly (Weitering, Silvagni, Jaksch)

I thought this was going to be the Irish boys roles.

IMO we have other holes to fill first.

 

[Blueblood75]

Gresham is not a close mate of SOSOS and no idea where this rumour came from

well if you're in the know sport, i stand corrected... i did hear it over the trade period on radio..can't remember exact source....
If he is in fact a Blues fan, that'll do me

 

[No1Suspect]

Conversely i'd be very happy for one of the McKay's at 19, - but I think we have to go BEST AVAILABLE at all times.

I just dont think either McKay's are good enough for #8 or #11, but i think they-ll be gone by #19

Correct.

 

[ParapMarkets]

yadda yadda yadda... blah blah blah...

The game is won in the midfield... thats funny because I always thought that the game was won in the forward line by kicking more goals than the opposition and in defence by preventing the opposition from kicking more goals than us. But hey... the game is won in the midfield. Stunning fact if true. Might as well dispense with KPP and have 18 mids running around the ground.

It's all very well to win the ball out of the centre and get it into your forward line, but if you don't have good quality KPFs sitting in your forward line, the ball is going to be going back the other over the top of that mythical A grade midfield everyone keeps rabbiting on about. And if we don't have the quality tall defenders to stop the opposition's forwards from marking the ball, then the opposition kicks more goals than we do.

All I hear is more and more bollocks that we should dispense with getting in quality talls in this draft and go with more mids and flankers. This draft is perhaps the worst draft that I have ever seen... but one thing that it does have is a higher ratio of talls to mids.

If you look at my selections, I have chosen to go with Weitering, one of Weiderman, Collins or McKay (Harrison), Oliver, and Gresham (although where those two are picked depends on who is available) or McKay (Ben).

Thats one of the following combinations:
Defender, Forward, Mid, Mid
Defender, Defender, Mid, Mid
Defender, Forward, Mid, Forward
Defender, Defender, Mid, Forward

Or if we can get away with it:
Defender, Mid, Mid, Forward

Thats two mids and 2 KPPs... or 1 mid and 3 KPP if the second mid I want isnt there.

I think that we would be crippling the club if we went Defender, Mid, Mid, Mid like some people want.

The club has a glaring hole that needs redressing now... not in 12 months time or two years time or even waiting for Ben Silvangi showing up to be our KPF in 2018. We need quality KPPs now. we can redress the lack of quality mids over the next 2-3 years. We need talls... and by talls I mean we need genuine KPP not tall utilities like Curnow or Burton.

I think it is almost certain that SOS takes at least 2 KPP with those first four picks (Weitering and one other), possibly 3 KPP depending on how the draft falls.

 

[Omega Blue]

This kid Clayton Oliver looks really special. I can just picture him and Cripps being unstoppable for us over the next 10 years.
Hopefully we can grab him with our second pick.

What does oliver offer that Mathieson doesn't? Just curious...
Mathieson is a 2014 and 2015 all Australian.

 

[HARKER]

What does oliver offer that Mathieson doesn't? Just curious...
Mathieson is a 2014 and 2015 all Australian.

On very limited viewing:

Mathieson gets his hands on the ball well enough but can waste disposal.
Oliver is more of a bull and wills himself to get to the next contest and exert influence.
Parish is the cleanest ball handler and with the sharpest vision.

Of those three mids and for now, I'd go Parish, Oliver and then Mathieson.

 

[Omega Blue]

Would be interesting if the poll could be changed to pick 8 and omitting, Weitering, Schache, Parish, Weidemann, Curnow, and Francis.
Let's get some group think going.

 

[Funk]

Best thing about that Bonner video is seeing SOS in defense, 1:41 and 1:55.

The scary point for me was at 2.40.

Collins looked like a 17 year old, 100kg statue.

Really think this guy is a big risk to take before pick 19 at best.

 

[Omega Blue]

On very limited viewing:

Mathieson gets his hands on the ball well enough but can waste disposal.
Oliver is more of a bull and wills himself to get to the next contest and exert influence.
Parish is the cleanest ball handler and with the sharpest vision.

Of those three mids and for now, I'd go Parish, Oliver and then Mathieson.

Could you say that Oliver is similar to Cripps, Parish is similar to Aish and Mathieson is similar to Matt Crouch?

using the 2013 draft as example.

 

[HARKER]

Could you say that Oliver is similar to Cripps, Parish is similar to Aish and Mathieson is similar to Matt Crouch?

using the 2013 draft as example.

Others would do a better job but on my limited live viewing:

Parish = Thomas
Mathieson = I don't know....A Dunstan type maybe???
Oliver = Poor mans Ollie Wines???

 

[blue_trinity]

Could you say that Oliver is similar to Cripps, Parish is similar to Aish and Mathieson is similar to Matt Crouch?

using the 2013 draft as example.

Not saying they'll get to the same levels, but Oliver plays similarly to Dangerfield, parish similar to Murphy/Heppell and Mathieson similar to Lewis/Sloane

 

[Omega Blue]

Others would do a better job but on my limited live viewing:

Parish = Thomas
Mathieson = I don't know....A Dunstan type maybe???
Oliver = Poor mans Ollie Wines???

Ok now i no longer think Mathieson is a good choice

 

[HARKER]

Ok now i no longer think Mathieson is a good choice

I saw one game...............not really a fair sample but he did seem to be a bit of a scrubber at times, although had no problem finding the ball.

 

[My name geoff]

Ok... tell me this... would Rioli and Lewis have been as good as they are if they were in our development system? Would Roughead be as good as he is if he was in our forwards development system? Casboult is a better mark than Roughead is... they both are about the same around the ground when they are playing up the ground or on the ball. It's only when it comes to kicking goals that Roughead is ahead of Casboult. But Roughead is a champion player and Casboult is a B grader.

Our development system has been for shit for about 8-10 years. Our medical staff has queered the careers of a large number of players and our so called A-graders are really at best B+ collectively.

We are in a rebuild mode. We don't need A grade mids at this point because we would be wasting a good chunk of their career until we get in some decent KPP and develop them properly.

We get mostly mids this year, more mids next year and maybe the year after that we get in some talls. By which stage, the quality mids we got in this year have been in the system for 2 years before we get the talls to go with them. It could be up to 3 years after we get the talls before they start to hit their straps. So our "A" grade mids that we got this year are now 23 years old. Who are our tall defenders because in 2-5 years time, Jamison will be gone... Rowe will probably be gone at the end of next year and so we would be left with Weitering and Plowman holding down our creaking defence. Who are going to be our tall forwards? We might get Tomlinson next year... might. Casboult will be 26-32 years old by that time... if we haven't traded or delisted him. Jaksch might come good and turn into a KPP... and our speculative tall in Foster might turn into a world beater.

But thats all right because we have an A grade midfield and A grade flankers... and a defence that might be leaking goals like a sieve and a forwardline that might struggle to kick 12 goals in a game... shit, they might even struggle to kick 10.

Weitering
Plowman
Tomlinson
Jaksch
Casboult

You've just named 4 top 15 draft pick KPP players + the best contested mark in the game that will be in our side within the next 3 years. We are 0 players short in that department. Can we do better? Of course, but the fact will remain that we are 8-10 quality players short through the mid and flanks

 

[Matty411]

Reckon Mathieson could slide a bit - potentially to 19… just a hunch. Boy would I love to get my hands on the running power rankings of SOS and the team.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Parish looks an exact replica of Daisy Thomas
Rhys Mathieson looks a less classy version of Bryce Gibbs
Clayton Oliver looks a David Mundy type

 

[HereComesJuddy]

On very limited viewing:

Mathieson gets his hands on the ball well enough but can waste disposal.
Oliver is more of a bull and wills himself to get to the next contest and exert influence.
Parish is the cleanest ball handler and with the sharpest vision.

Of those three mids and for now, I'd go Parish, Oliver and then Mathieson.

That vision of Mathieson confirmed to me the reason I hope we dont draft him. So many poor handballs to no one.

 

[bigdog43]

I really don't think SOS will get to pick 8/11 and say we have to have a KPP player now and reach. We are so bad as a list right now that it will simply be pick the best player. We just need the best talent we can get to start this rebuild off to a good start. I'm really glad we still have pick 19, I reckon a good player will definitely slide like Goddard and Laverde last year, can't wait...

 

[Funk]

TheSheik, mate I think that we are standing side by side beating our heads up against a brick wall with some of these guys. They are stuck in the past where we needed to get in quality mids and speculative talls instead of looking at this as an opportunity to build an A grade spine and then over the next couple of years while our new talls get experience and finish developing start getting in the mids we need to go with the A grade spine.

If we load up with quality mids and stay with the shit spine, in a couple of years all we will have is Weitering, White and Plowman down back and Casboult, Jaksch and Foster up front. And we still don't know if Foster is even going to make it.

People are saying that we can take McKay at #19... he won't be there and if he turns out to be as good as I think he can be in a couple of years... all the guys who said we shouldnt reach and take him at 8 will be screaming and blaming SOS for not taking him then.

But at the end of the day... we aren't the guys at the sharp end. SOS makes the decisions and calls out the names this year. All we do is sit around and speculate, extrapolate and posture as if we are really experts at what we do. We aren't.

And some people are going to be so tied into wanting particular players at particular picks that if said player is available and we take someone else, they will hurl abuse at SOS and say that he was a fool for not taking player x and pick y and that it would come back and bite us on the arse.

I've already listed the guys I want... after Weitering of course... everyone wants him... I think. If we get them... woohoo... if we don't, I will go and look at everything I can find out about the guys we take and then throw my support behind them.

At the end of the day... we aren't the experts... SOS is and we should trust in SOS's judgement.

Interesting discussion this Dram.

I agree that we need a strategy to get KPP's in soon for the simple reason they take longer to develop than mids.

I get "twitchy" about taking a lot of talls in this draft because my perception is it is harder to pick which KPP's will max out their potential than mids and utilities. Eg. Lynch has turned out to be best of the bunch at GC but IIRC Day and others were picked ahead of him.

I am also sceptical re how many talls we need - given the trend of game style now.

I would be interested to know your opinion re team compostion in future. I personally think Cas and resting ruck are the only talls (above 192cm) we need forward for next 3 years.

I think we should play a more mobile team and focus on recruiting Roughead/Stringer tall utility type players now and play Levi and Phillips/Krooz forward. Then woo a proven big FWD that someone else has developed in 3 years time.

I don't know the potential players that well - but from what I have read/heard that means Burton/Curnow/Oliver types ahead of McKay/Collins types.

 

[Dramoth]

Weitering
Plowman
Tomlinson
Jaksch
Casboult

You've just named 4 top 15 draft pick KPP players + the best contested mark in the game that will be in our side within the next 3 years. We are 0 players short in that department. Can we do better? Of course, but the fact will remain that we are 8-10 quality players short through the mid and flanks

And if one of them happens to go down injured? Where is our backup?

The fact is that after those 5 players, we have B graders or third talls types to try and fill the holes. Do you remember White trying to play on some of the larger tall forwards in this last season. It didnt go to well.

Add in that Plowman is more of a third tall rebounding defender of the Bower ilk... but with none of the downsides... according to some of the people in the know around here.

 

[andrew_]

Oliver looks like a decent country footballer at best.

 

[Dramoth]

Parish looks an exact replica of Daisy Thomas
Rhys Mathieson looks a less classy version of Bryce Gibbs
Clayton Oliver looks a David Mundy type

I would give up my atheism and return to god if Parish somehow slide to pick 8. I wouldnt care if Weiderman was there as well... Parish is the best mid in this draft hands down.

 

[Dramoth]

Oliver looks like a decent country footballer at best.

Cripps looked like a decent country footballer as well. We know differently now

 

[My name geoff]

And if one of them happens to go down injured? Where is our backup?

The fact is that after those 5 players, we have B graders or third talls types to try and fill the holes. Do you remember White trying to play on some of the larger tall forwards in this last season. It didnt go to well.

Add in that Plowman is more of a third tall rebounding defender of the Bower ilk... but with none of the downsides... according to some of the people in the know around here.

We will still have Foster, Rowe, Silvagni and jamison hopefully plus whoever else we grab in the draft/trade period over the next 2 seasons.

 

[andrew_]

Cripps looked like a decent country footballer as well. We know differently now

Meh I know I'm in the minority, but it's just my mildly educated opinion. The bloke has a few good months of football and is suddenly a top 10 prospect? Doesn't make sense to me, that a bloke who is built like Lance Whitnall with average skills can be a bolter. If he falls to 19 I wouldn't be against it, but I wouldn't take him earlier.