List Mgmt. 2014 list discussion - drafts, free agents, trades, retirees, delistings and more

[MC Extra Dollop]

For the rookies, I think we promote Blicavs and Burbury. I only think there's one spot on the list for Brown/Walker, so depending on which way they go, that might be another draft pick. Sheringham can have another year, if he wants (got no problem with having him around in 2014 for a bit of extra depth and hardness in the midfield). Eardley gets another year on the rookie list. Bathie looks to be gone.

So, 2014 rookies would be: Sheringham, Eardley and we reload in the draft. Hopefully we do as well there as we have in recent rookie drafts.

As for retirements, any number of Pods, Corey, Hunt, Chapman and even Enright could go at the end of the year. We all just expect Enright to go on, but how can we really know? He saw a couple of his mates go out on top in 2011 and another who fizzled out in 2012, after a storied career. The chance to ride off into the sunset at the peak of his powers may be very tempting for Boris. And the only one from that group who hasn't been good this year is Chapman, due to injury. He had a great year in 2012 and, if is body co-operates, he could easily get another year's grace.

Our senior list candidates to be delisted (or traded for a pick) at the end of the season are probably Schroder, Cowan, Simpson and Brown. I think we need five to come off the list from the retirements/delistings group (and maybe six or seven), to allow us to promote Blicavs and Burbury (and possibly Walker) and still have a strong presence in the draft. As far as I'm concerned, it's far too early to put a line through any of them, but I think it's a minimum of five and that it will come from those nine, unless we get an unforeseen retirement (due to injury).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You say delist Simpson and Brown, but for what? Players no good as we haven't the room, which leaves us with 2 extra picks we won't use, or upgrade these picks? What do you think Simpson and Brown are worth? And where do you see Walker playing if we keep all our talls?

Walker seemed to have more going for him a year ago, was getting senior games here and there but now has a contracted Brown to contend with, Blitz has come from nowhere, HMac on 3 years and Simpson over his injuries and playing seniors today. Throw in Kersten Vardy Hamling - not sure where he fits in..

I said trade, not delist.

brown might fetch us a third rounder, simpson harder to say given injuries.

walker should play CHB imo, although if they cap the interchange roaming forward might be where they leave him.

they are not picks we won't use, we will upgrade 2-3 rookies so 2-3 retirements covers this only, we still then need to move on 2-3 more people to participate in the draft.

 

[Partridge]

If we are aiming for a flag in 2014, i think we need Joel Corey as a depth player on our list. He has been good as an in and under mid at times this year, and with us getting smashed in clearances we need more in and under type mids. He can also play off half back. I'm sure I'll get torn to pieces with this comment, but he has been serviceable this year.

Serviceable yes. But at age 31, with a ton of youngsters coming through, you can't keep everyone. It's a valid point you mention about clearances. If he is the clearance king at Geelong (and he isn't by the way, Kelly and Johnson have him covered easily), why doesn't he spend more time in the middle? Because he isn't the player he was. Why? The date on his birth certificate. It's no slur on him, but you can't ignore it.

 

[supahoops]

I said trade, not delist.

brown might fetch us a third rounder, simpson harder to say given injuries.

walker should play CHB imo, although if they cap the interchange roaming forward might be where they leave him.

they are not picks we won't use, we will upgrade 2-3 rookies so 2-3 retirements covers this only, we still then need to move on 2-3 more people to participate in the draft.

Careful PO, with all those retirements AND upgrades, Pods might be getting close to the front of the queue..

As an aside, do you think those close to retirement look hard at the young ones coming through in their position? Josh Hunt for one must watch the VFL boys Bews Thurlow Guthrie coming through in his spot, wonder if that would have a major influence in his decision?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Careful PO, with all those retirements AND upgrades, Pods might be getting close to the front of the queue..

As an aside, do you think those close to retirement look hard at the young ones coming through in their position? Josh Hunt for one must watch the VFL boys Bews Thurlow Guthrie coming through in his spot, wonder if that would have a major influence in his decision?

It's an underrated aspect of the game, both for coaches and senior players. It's very hard to trump self-preservation in favour of the best thing for the club, long-term. Those who can do it deserve the utmost respect. And I may be remembering this incorrectly, but I seem to recall something that Guthrie (?) said about guys like Corey and Josh Hunt being fantastic for him and being totally supportive of him as he establishes himself in the seniors (even though he could be seen as a direct 'threat' to either of them).

 

[Whit3y]

based on what i read on the geelong board all geelong players that have played under 50 afl games are future geelong captains at a minimum, and also 250+ game players. so any talk of delisting them is nonsense.

 

[year of the cat]

Aside from Corey, Chapman and Hunt retiring I think it's too early to be making too many other calls just yet. I want to see if Simpson can have an impact when he comes in. I want to see whether Cowan can finally string some games together, even if it's just in the VFL. I see him though as one that could be re-rookied if they think he has the talent.

I'm a bit uncertain about Schroder's future. I would have liked to see a bit more from him this year before stamping him as a definite to stay. Still time though.

After watching Brown's game in the VFL he just has to stay I reckon. He is your stereotypical late developer. Frustrating as it is, we need to be patient with him. I reckon it will pay dividends.

Of the rookies, Blicavs should be promoted. I don't want a guy of his talent on the rookie list. He deserves a spot on the main list. Walker again I would keep. Like Brown, I reckon he shows enough to keep. I want to see him played back though. Bathie and Sheringham are looking likely to be delisted I think. I would like to give Eardley another year, though have doubts as to whether he has the class to be an AFL player. Can't knock his attitude though.

Hopefully we can engineer it such that we have at least 3 picks in the ND. I reckon this draft looks like it may hold some hidden gems - ones that Wells has a great history in extracting.

 

[Partridge]

Aside from Corey, Chapman and Hunt retiring I think it's too early to be making too many other calls just yet. I want to see if Simpson can have an impact when he comes in. I want to see whether Cowan can finally string some games together, even if it's just in the VFL. I see him though as one that could be re-rookied if they think he has the talent.

I think the answer to that is an empathic YES.

After watching Brown's game in the VFL he just has to stay I reckon. He is your stereotypical late developer. Frustrating as it is, we need to be patient with him. I reckon it will pay dividends.

Same here. He's been asked to back to the VFL - again - and starred. Kept a top drawer key forward at VFL level scoreless. Can't do much more than that. Watching that on Saturday, now and again he looked to have so much time it was ridiculous.

 

[i_need_a_pencil]

I'm gonna say it... I'm not a fan of Stringer. I realize the coaches must rate him, giving him senior games and he is a midfield ball winner which we need, but I'd rather back Schroder honestly. Wouldn't bother me if they got rid, but I know they won't.

 

[Varcoe2Motlop]

We should have a look at Garlett, he's dominating in the WAFL and will be picked up by someone.

 

[Dinga_19]

I watched Blicavs yesterday against the Lions and for him to play a game like that after so few games under his belt was amazing. If he continues to improve like that we will have something special on our hands. Just a pity we prob wont see the best of Vardy. For me we will need to get rid of one of Blake or Simpson. We have put faith in Mcintosh and offered him a contract so we have to assume he will come into the side at some stage.

On the retirements, Chapman, Corey and Enright will retire when they want to. They are all apart of our best 22, don't kid yourself and get caught up in some of these youngsters showing "a bit". These are hardened AFL premiership footballers. Lets hang onto them as long as they are still playing good football. The kids will get a run when they are good enough (Motlop/Duncan/Christiansen) so dont be quick to throw the veterans away.

Someone like Josh Hunt has struggled to keep his spot for 10 years so maybe age will catch him but atm he is playing well and unless we are absolutly sure that a player is ready to take his spot we should tred lightly

 

[Senatorguesty]

Same here. He's been asked to back to the VFL - again - and starred. Kept a top drawer key forward at VFL level scoreless. Can't do much more than that. Watching that on Saturday, now and again he looked to have so much time it was ridiculous.

Is it a case of a great VFL player who can't make the grade in the AFL?

Oh and those looking to get rid of Simpson need to stop drinking, won't happen.

 

[Partridge]

Is it a case of a great VFL player who can't make the grade in the AFL?

Oh and those looking to get rid of Simpson need to stop drinking, won't happen.

I see Brown as at least as talented as Simpson. Tricky part is, he's not at Melbourne or Gold Coast so he won't get 2 years in one position, and we've got capable players ahead of him at either end.

But, Lonergan and Pods aren't going to be around for ever. Spots will open up. The fact everyone forgets is he is our only backup for a key defensive post right now. He's it. And I'd rather a 23 or 24-year-old who's been at the club for 6-7 years when Lonergan steps away than a raw 18-year-old.

It might be slow, but I feel he's getting better all the time.

 

[Senatorguesty]

I see Brown as at least as talented as Simpson. Tricky part is, he's not at Melbourne or Gold Coast so he won't get 2 years in one position, and we've got capable players ahead of him at either end.

But, Lonergan and Pods aren't going to be around for ever. Spots will open up. The fact everyone forgets is he is our only backup for a key defensive post right now. He's it. And I'd rather a 23 or 24-year-old who's been at the club for 6-7 years when Lonergan steps away than a raw 18-year-old.

It might be slow, but I feel he's getting better all the time.

Yep true, no doubt we have expected far too much from him, myself included.
Unfortunately we aren't in a position to gift him games in his preferred position in the AFL.
He needs faith and time, but will we provide both?

 

[JackFlash]

Time for Johnson to go....

 

[Partridge]

Yep true, no doubt we have expected far too much from him, myself included.
Unfortunately we aren't in a position to gift him games in his preferred position in the AFL.
He needs faith and time, but will we provide both?

I would guess that they have a target number of games for him this year, a target number next year, then a decision gets made. The one good thing I like now is that they seem to be committed to developing him as a key defender. At least now he plays in one position every week.

 

[Senatorguesty]

I would guess that they have a target number of games for him this year, a target number next year, then a decision gets made. The one good thing I like now is that they seem to be committed to developing him as a key defender. At least now he plays in one position every week.

I don't mind him in the backline, I can't see him playing AFL in the forwardline though.
Still I think he lacks urgency at times.
Will be interesting at the end of the year what they do with him.

 

[Whit3y]

Time for Johnson to go....

ur a few years late mate, david johnson retired a few years ago now

 

[Willo_]

Just a pity we prob wont see the best of Vardy. For me we will need to get rid of one of Blake or Simpson.

I agree it's about time we got rid of Blake.. don't think he has played a good game for us in years!!!

 

[bulletproof]

Good effort from the OP so i dont have much to add but I would keep Walker as well.

Pretty useful backup to have a guy like that.

I wouldn't be devastated if Schroder or Stringer found a home like Simpkin did last year. I think Stringer is marginally better than Schroder but if it is a call between Blicavs being unhappy or Stringer going to another club, I think there is very little risk in releasing Stringer.

Still nearly 4 months to go, everyone is one great game away from turning their career around and the reality is we don't have to delist anyone today.

Stringer is playing like he did in his first couple of games so far this year (falling over, no clear disposals), once he found the tempo last year he looked a much different player so hopefully he can repeat the trick this year.

 

[bulletproof]

If you were ranking players on their likelihood of contributing next year, Menzel would be somewhere near the bottom. I dont know what the regulations say but I think the logical place for him would be the rookie list.

Emotion comes into it so maybe that would not be a sensible move for a kid who has had too many knocks already but it may solve a solution in the short term if it is really tight.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

If you were ranking players on their likelihood of contributing next year, Menzel would be somewhere near the bottom. I dont know what the regulations say but I think the logical place for him would be the rookie list.

Emotion comes into it so maybe that would not be a sensible move for a kid who has had too many knocks already but it may solve a solution in the short term if it is really tight.

Pretty sure he signed a contract at the end of last year. Don't think it's an option.

 

[Senatorguesty]

Pretty sure he signed a contract at the end of last year. Don't think it's an option.

As it shouldn't be IMO, don't give him something else to worry about, back him in, show him infinite faith and let him concentrate 100% on getting back into peak fitness.

 

[Turbocat]

Before making 2014 choices we need to see our options on field.

I have previously said that people opinion can change very quickly , when one actually see what one hasn't for a while.Burbury for one , came out in one game in the VFL and kicked 6. Even a 1/2 of footy Hartman was enough to convince some of his future. So what of Big Dawson Simpson?Would most agree there ideas on Simpson have been altered or adjusted after he played? The one thing he has done is - a fit Simpson has levered his way into our #1 ruck.

So what does that do to West ? As yet little. But if fit this week , it will be astounding if he is picked instead of Simpson. If he is and Simpson is dropped id say he should start looking for aleternatives.

Can West picked to compliment him. I say Yes but we really will not know to he has done it.Simpson dominated like few of our rucks have a long time. So long has it been that our mids flushed his dominance down the drain. By 3/4 time our mids may have been now totally bewildered because the big boy had gone from KingKong to chimp , he was gone. Even with so much we did wrong on Sun , I believe we win if he had been in the side.

Blitz has almost become a legit tall mid(amazing) and it worth a trial at least to have him in the role with minimal ruck. But in regards to this thread he is going nowhere. But he has complicated the situation because he has played that #2 role. The sooner we trial he just as a mid the better.

So what about Vardy? Is he fit? If he is what do we do with him? IMO , we have to play him , he is too talented not to play. Where. Again I say , as a permeant forward . Ruck duties minimal as well.

So now this is getting rather tight. Vardy in the forwardline. Hawk as well. Where is Pods.Id say its almost time to play him in the backline at CHB , but he is in the side somewhere atm.

And then where does Hmac fit? I dont know unless he can come in an offer more than Simpson

But we have to do a bit of this mix and match before years end if we want to do. If West doesn't work with Simpson , while Vardy is the forward. We have to trade someone. We cant have so many very good rucks with them wasting talents in the two's. I''d rather convert it into a tall backman or more midfield talent

 

[Cicatriz]

I have a feeling Kersten will be gone.