2012 Foxtel Cup Fixture

[pazza]

Aaah the SANFL. Still think they are number 1 in every regard - they used to pull that crap during SOO days until EJ turned up to cause havoc.

There's a lot of blokes playing in the SANFL who would benefit from the additional exposure of playing at Foxtel Cup level - this can be seen by the way the drafts have gone over the last 2 months - many people wouldn't have a clue about some of the blokes drafted, because they did not see them (or could not).

 

[benblinkau]

Hmm... You play in a 9 team comp, yet the foxtel cup is a mickey.....

A comp where one of last years SANFL bottom sides made the foxtel cup semi final...? Hmmmm

 

[pablo668]

A comp where one of last years SANFL bottom sides made the foxtel cup semi final...? Hmmmm

Ahhhh ok, lets look at that a little closer shall we.

To get to the Semi final Port had to play East Coast Eagles from the Sydney AFL, couldn't have been much of a challenge, then North Adelaide, around same ladder position in the same league, much sterner, good gutsy win from Port in that one.

Claremont had to face Clarence the TFL premiers, still not too much of a challenge there, then the Northern Bullants, essentially Carltons reserves side.
I expected Claremont to go down in that one. Somehow we came out of the box firing, played some great footy and smashed em. Should have been a greater challenge.

The semi-final we played against Port ws an unusual game.
Claremont went in with a team made up of lots of our reserves players, some league players and......quite a few AFL guys who were on a bye.
Claremont came out and smashed Port early in the game, got up by six goals in the 1st quarter.
Then they did nothing for the rest of the game really and Port played it out in determined fashion and on heart, possibly deserved it more.

So Ports journey there was marginally easier than Claremonts, they got smashed early but made it look respectable. Not really that much to get excited about.

 

[Huntercrow]

It's a well known fact the clubs run the SANFL, not the ideal way for a large organisation to operate (they deserve that discription due to the size of their debt).
If for example one local Maccas outlet decided to change their menu and dump the quarter pounder for a 0.1 kiloer how long would it be before the whole dam fast food industry disappeared in a shower of fat. Not long I'm bettin' but with the SANFL the clubs can do whatever they like without fear. It really is a case of all for one and none for all.

 

[finders]

It was two or three years ago, but the SANFL state side beat the VFL state team 161-90. Make of that how you want to.

The VFL state team wasnt made up of the best players in the comp as many AFL listed players that were playing well in the local matches were not allowed to chosen.

The VFL teams in the Foxtel Cup give a much better idea of the standard of the comp week in week out.

 

[The_Reaper]

AFL listed players should not be allowed to play.

Foxtel Cup is great for the second tier clubs- and should be a chance for the second tier clubs to compete.

It was very disapointing as a neutral to see Claremont face up against Footscray reserves.

Claremont or West Perth (or Norwood or Centrals) or a Port Melbourne would have meant so much more.

 

[The_Wookie]

AFL listed players should not be allowed to play.

Foxtel Cup is great for the second tier clubs- and should be a chance for the second tier clubs to compete.

It was very disapointing as a neutral to see Claremont face up against Footscray reserves.

Claremont or West Perth (or Norwood or Centrals) or a Port Melbourne would have meant so much more.

There should either be a cap on AFL listed players - like 3 or something, or the AFL reserves teams shouldnt be allowed to compete.

Going to be good to see Port Melbourne up against it this year.

 

[The_Reaper]

There should either be a cap on AFL listed players - like 3 or something, or the AFL reserves teams shouldnt be allowed to compete.

Going to be good to see Port Melbourne up against it this year.

It's great to see Port Melbourne and I hope they get to play in Perth.

There certainly should be a cap at the very least, it wasn't Claremont v Williamstown - it was Claremont v Bulldogs reserves trading as Williamstown.

Teams like Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney etc should be barred from qualifying.

The Foxtel Cup is great as a competition for the second tier clubs to compete, seperate from the AFL.

 

[Rob]

AFL listed players should not be allowed to play.

Foxtel Cup is great for the second tier clubs- and should be a chance for the second tier clubs to compete.

It was very disapointing as a neutral to see Claremont face up against Footscray reserves.

Claremont or West Perth (or Norwood or Centrals) or a Port Melbourne would have meant so much more.

I think there are pros and cons to both. VFL sides would legitimately have gripes about competing (as opposed to the SANFL teams) if the bulk of their best team is ruled ineligible, and if they do then the team they put out wouldn't be a fair representation of their league. But on the other side, it's likely to make the comp as a whole more competitive - NEAFL and TFL sides are at a massive disadvantage in that they have no AFL listed players. It's hard enough for them as it is.

I think ideally for the future of 2nd tier leagues (and the Foxtel Cup) an AFL reserves comp is created, taking all AFL listed players out. But that's probably not likely in the next few years.

 

[pablo668]

To be fair to the VFL clubs, or a little bit fair.

Claremont had quite a few AFL listed players playing for them.

Just nowhere near as many as Willy or the Bullants. They were also from two different clubs.
We also had a few ex-AFL squad members. Guys who had been drafted but not worked out.

It was a shame Claremont couldn't get up over Williamstown. They were just a bit bigger and stronger and pressured us for the whole game.

 

[MotleyLemon]

Pathetic from Foxtel (presumably with a heap of AFL involvement) that Ainslie play what appears to be a home game in Blacktown against West Perth. Why would they not play it at the very least at Manuka Oval? Sure they are trying to promote AFL in Western Sydney and all, but they also seem to be trying to kill off what is essentially meant to be grass roots footy here in a national competition.

I hardly expect Ainslie to even really compete with West Perth after the belting they got in last years competition by one of the SANFL teams, but surely they should have the right to getting touched up at home in front of their own supporters?

Piss poor.

 

[Starburns_]

AFL listed players should not be allowed to play.

Foxtel Cup is great for the second tier clubs- and should be a chance for the second tier clubs to compete.

It was very disapointing as a neutral to see Claremont face up against Footscray reserves.

Claremont or West Perth (or Norwood or Centrals) or a Port Melbourne would have meant so much more.

There's nothing wrong with AFL listed players playing in the competition, though with the VFL and NEAFL the numbers should be capped at something relative to the amount of listed players the WAFL or SANFL clubs would be able to use. But as long as the AFL run the competition, we won't be seeing a cap on listed players, let alone getting rid of them completely.

Pathetic from Foxtel (presumably with a heap of AFL involvement) that Ainslie play what appears to be a home game in Blacktown against West Perth. Why would they not play it at the very least at Manuka Oval? Sure they are trying to promote AFL in Western Sydney and all, but they also seem to be trying to kill off what is essentially meant to be grass roots footy here in a national competition.

I hardly expect Ainslie to even really compete with West Perth after the belting they got in last years competition by one of the SANFL teams, but surely they should have the right to getting touched up at home in front of their own supporters?

Piss poor.

Game should have been played on the 28th as the curtain rasier to the giants vs bulldogs game, but maybe the NEAFL fixture didn't allow for that.

 

[Martyn_30_]

What people from WA and SA need to understand is having afl listed players isnt an advantage, last seasons afl grand finalists both have their own vfl teams and both were terrible in the vfl

 

[The_Reaper]

What people from WA and SA need to understand is having afl listed players isnt an advantage, last seasons afl grand finalists both have their own vfl teams and both were terrible in the vfl

On the other hand East Perth dominated teh WAFL when they were West Coast's de facto reserve team.

Also it isn't so much the advantage (which does exist) of pro players against part timers but the fact that it detracts from the competition.

The Foxtel Cup should be a contest between the best second tier clubs in the land. The fact that AFL reserve teams- with a few token state league players can detracts just as much from the competition as the absence of best SANFL sides.

 

[Edward Teach]

Would be good to have the top SA teams playing, but I understand why they don't.

Missing byes, sponsors not allowed to display, poor prizemoney etc.

The exposure factor is a furphy as no one watches the games. Mature age players are being r*ped from clubs such as Norwood - who did not wish to play. SANFL comp still gets nice crowds and does not feel like a souless feeder comp... yet. Why should SANFL clubs compromise a potential flag to 'help' scouts?

Foxtel Cup is a Mickey Mouse Comp.

The real question is why do the AFL refuse to play SOO and showcase the game at the highest level?

 

[The_Wookie]

Every other comp in the country - of which only the VFL is truly a feeder comp, and the WAFL is as good as the SANFL in all respects - is all for it, so its not really a mickey mouse comp when one state - and only a couple of teams at that - set themselves apart. You can call it what you like, but these teams suckle at the AFL teat (namely the dividends from Port and Adelaide which fund their salary caps) as much as anyone else does.

Everyone is missing byes, no one can display sponsors other than the Foxtel logo, and the prize money is only considered poor in parts of South Australia - not even all of it. Port, South, North, West have been or will be involved with no reservations.

The people refused to go to SOO. The people refused to watch it on tv. The clubs dont want it, players arent interested. What other reasons do you need.

 

[Edward Teach]

"The people refused to go to SOO. The people refused to watch it on tv. The clubs dont want it, players arent interested. What other reasons do you need.[/QUOTE]"

Utter cobblers.

People raging for Foxtel Cup over SOO! Hilarious.

 

[The_Wookie]

i never said that the preferred the foxtel cup over state of origin.

State of Origin was tried, it died. we move on to new things. except in adelaide.

 

[The_Reaper]

Every other comp in the country - of which only the VFL is truly a feeder comp, and the WAFL is as good as the SANFL in all respects - is all for it, so its not really a mickey mouse comp when one state - and only a couple of teams at that - set themselves apart. You can call it what you like, but these teams suckle at the AFL teat (namely the dividends from Port and Adelaide which fund their salary caps) as much as anyone else does.

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There is a difference between the investment made by the WAFC and SANFL in setting up AFL licenses, and the whoring out that most the VFL clubs do.

 

[benblinkau]

What people from WA and SA need to understand is having afl listed players isnt an advantage, last seasons afl grand finalists both have their own vfl teams and both were terrible in the vfl

I dont mind if there are AFL players playing in the cup.. If they are playing it means they arent best 22 at that given time so no harm done! Now when there was the bye, and if those AFL players were in the foxtel cup side, then that would be poor. Thankfully thats not a worry any more!

 

[royaldave]

"The people refused to go to SOO. The people refused to watch it on tv. The clubs dont want it, players arent interested. What other reasons do you need.

"

Utter cobblers.

People raging for Foxtel Cup over SOO! Hilarious.[/QUOTE]

The reasons for the SANFL and AFL dissing Foxtel Cup and SOO respectively are quite similar it seems.

Whether one or the other is viable or not remains to be seen.

 

[stmookeyj]

Sat 19 May NT Thunder (NT) Vs Port Melbourne (VFL)
TIO Stadium 11:05 EST 11:00 – 13:00 EST Bulldogs Vs Gold Coast

Will there be any players left standing after a quarter of this game should this be the correctly scheduled time?

 

[CrowdedHouse]

Will there be any players left standing after a quarter of this game should this be the correctly scheduled time?

I found it strange as well.

11am (10.30 local time) Start for the Foxtel Cup game, and I believe a 1.45pm (or similar time) start for the Bulldogs v Gold Coast match.

Don't know how both sides are going to handle that Darwin heat during daylight

 

[Starburns_]

I found it strange as well.

11am (10.30 local time) Start for the Foxtel Cup game, and I believe a 1.45pm (or similar time) start for the Bulldogs v Gold Coast match.

Don't know how both sides are going to handle that Darwin heat during daylight

Didn't notice that in the AFL fixture, that game could turn into an absolute farce.

 

[brucetiki]

I found it strange as well.

11am (10.30 local time) Start for the Foxtel Cup game, and I believe a 1.45pm (or similar time) start for the Bulldogs v Gold Coast match.

Don't know how both sides are going to handle that Darwin heat during daylight

The Bulldogs v Suns game is a night match, so there will be something like a 6 hour gap between the games. It's happening with all the curtain raiser matches as it's at a ground that's either having the Saturday twilight game or Saturday night game.