2002/2003 Grand Final Losses

[bluesforever]

Not at all trolling, just curious to know who you blame for 3 wooden spoons and becoming the new Fitzroy for this millenium?

Shut up fool. I wasn't trolling, I was curious to see what would come up after all the dust has settled. Lets not turn this into a Carlton Collingwood bashing thread, we will do that another time though ofcourse.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

Shut up fool. I wasn't trolling

Yes you were.. didn't fool anyone muppet

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Shut up fool. I wasn't trolling, I was curious to see what would come up after all the dust has settled. Lets not turn this into a Carlton Collingwood bashing thread, we will do that another time though ofcourse.

lol you know it

 

[tess]

Shut up fool. I wasn't trolling, I was curious to see what would come up after all the dust has settled. Lets not turn this into a Carlton Collingwood bashing thread, we will do that another time though ofcourse.

So have you forgotten were you are, on a Pies board. Behave like a guest and you'll be treated like one . . . . . fool.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

lol cant believe people are blaming Rocca's suspension for our loss, he could have played and we still would have got spanked. The boys didnt turn up, plain and simple really.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

lol cant believe people are blaming Rocca's suspension for our loss, he could have played and we still would have got spanked. The boys didnt turn up, plain and simple really.

Thye didn't turn up because our structure was destroyed.. Rocca was the initial domino that brought everything down

It's no coincidence who was on fire in the 86 point drubbing of Geelong this year

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Thye didn't turn up because our structure was destroyed.. Rocca was the initial domino that brought everything down

It's no coincidence who was on fire in the 86 point drubbing of Geelong this year

if they didnt turn up cause they knew the structure was fked then thats a disgrace. You dont change the way you go about it in a GF.

i do believe the structure in the middle hadn't changed since we beat Brisbane in the qualifying final. The ball was ripped out of there constantly hence Rocca didnt matter. Sure we would have been more competitive in the forward line but it wouldnt have changed the result.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

if they didnt turn up cause they knew the structure was fked then thats a disgrace. You dont change the way you go about it in a GF.

Oh for gods sake, that's not what I'm saying.. once Rocca was gone they could double team Tarrant (our only other effective forward) and shut him down.. we had relied on the twin towers all year.. we went from that to no avenue to goal.. and from there it was inevitable that we would capitulate with no results up forward to reward hard work further up the ground

To blame MM for 2003 as some have done is mindless and irrational.. and worse than that it lets the real culprit off the hook!

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Oh for gods sake, that's not what I'm saying.. once Rocca was gone they could double team Tarrant (our only other effective forward) and shut him down.. we had relied on the twin towers all year.. we went from that to no avenue to goal.. and from there it was inevitable that we would capitulate with no results up forward to reward hard work further up the ground

To blame MM for 2003 as some have done is mindless and irrational.. and worse than that it lets the real culprit off the hook!

lol if they are double teaming Tarrant then you would use the free player, not hard. The player replacing Rocca wont be the same quality but he is still good enough to do his role.
I dont think u understand the real issue, the ball was taken out of the centre by Black, Lappin and Power with so much ease that Rocca or no Rocca wouldnt make a difference. The Collingwood players would not have thought they were going to lose even with Rocca out. They had beaten that mob 2 weeks earlier with no real output by Rocca anyways.
Mick wasnt to blame, i never stated this. The coach can only do so much. The players didnt turn up, wasnt the coach.
If the result was within 4-5 goals i would be pissed with Rocca but it wasnt.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

lol if they are double teaming Tarrant then you would use the free player, not hard.

And which player would that have been... Walker or Kinnear?

Geelong has the best midfield in the league and look what happened to them on GF day when their forward structure failed.. not hard

 

[Primetime Pricey]

And which player would that have been... Walker or Kinnear?

Geelong has the best midfield in the league and look what happened to them on GF day when their forward structure failed.. not hard

doesnt matter who it was, they are AFL players and should be treated as such no matter how shit they are.

Are you comparing Geelongs midfield and how they played to Collingwoods midfield and how they played?
Geelong were in the game at halftime and quite easily could have been leading where Collingwood were already out of it before half time.
Worst comparison ever...... Fail.

 

[Snag Breac]

Shut up fool. I wasn't trolling, I was curious to see what would come up after all the dust has settled. Lets not turn this into a Carlton Collingwood bashing thread, we will do that another time though ofcourse.

No, your intention was to turn it into a Collingwood-Collingwood bashing thread.

 

[thatday]

No, your intention was to turn it into a Collingwood-Collingwood bashing thread.

It seems to me he succeeded, Snag.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

doesnt matter who it was, they are AFL players and should be treated as such no matter how shit they are.

Of course they should... in magical fairyland I'm sure Kinnear and Walker kick just as many goals as Rocca and take just as many contested marks.. and Joffa is a Rhodes scholar

 

[FlyingDucks]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

Why is the being brought up???

Brisbane was better than a very good side. They are the best team I have seen in my 31 years and would smash the current Geelong side they are a lot better team.

The Pies teams overachieved and definitely were not ever favourites to win in 2003.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Of course they should... in magical fairyland I'm sure Kinnear and Walker kick just as many goals as Rocca and take just as many contested marks.. and Joffa is a Rhodes scholar

Seriously u should stop posting. Clearly you dont understand how football is played.
Who said they would kick as many as Rocca? You hurt them by using your free players. Its up to those players to do there role. On Gf day the least likely of players can become heroes. Look at Shane Ellen, absolute hack but kicks 5 goals in a GF.
Goodbye.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

Seriously u should stop posting. Clearly you dont understand how football is played.

Seriously if you think losing Rocca for the 03 GF shouldn't have mattered because we had Kinnear and Walker for replacements you should book yourself into a rubber room right now before you hurt your brain

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Seriously if you think losing Rocca for the 03 GF shouldn't have mattered because we had Kinnear and Walker for replacements you should book yourself into a rubber room right now before you hurt your brain

oh dear, who said that those boys were better then Rocca? all that was said was if Tarrant got double teamed then the lads should have used one of those boys if free.
Also it was stated that Rocca or no Rocca, Collingwood would have got creamed.
Please double check all posts b4 commenting

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

Also it was stated that Rocca or no Rocca, Collingwood would have got creamed.

Well you simply don't understand how important structure is in football.. as previously stated look to Geelong's performance in the Grand Final as to what can happen when your forwardline structure fails.. the house of cards falls.. Rocca was a moron to get suspended.. he destroyed any chance we had of winning.. I'm sure in your little fairytale mind you thought we were still a chance but we lost the premiership in the preliminary final!

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Well you simply don't understand how important structure is in football.. as previously stated look to Geelong's performance in the Grand Final as to what can happen when your forwardline structure fails.. the house of cards falls.. Rocca was a moron to get suspended.. he destroyed any chance we had of winning.. I'm sure in your little fairytale mind you thought we were still a chance but we lost the premiership in the preliminary final!

bahahahahaha. this will be the last post as its wasting my time. The fact your even comparing Geelongs performance to Collingwood's is ridiculous. For starters Geelongs midfield actually touched the bloody thing where as Collingwood couldnt get near it hence Rocca or no Rocca it wouldnt have mattered. Geelong could have been in front at half time if the forwards converted their chances, Collingwood were out of the game after half way into the 2nd. The midfield for Geelong was quite decent til half way into the 3rd so this shouldnt even be mentioned. You cant compare a side whose forwards didnt convert their chances to a side whose forwards werent given a chance.
Of course Rocca was a moron for getting suspended and it hurt the side but he was nowhere near the reason for the loss. Forwards can only win u matches if the midfield gets it to you.
Now this rant is over with and we can move on

 

[shawthing09]

But BC WCE won a premiership with a foward in Hansen who can't take a mark inside 50 and a foward in Lynch who at the time could not take a mark that wasn't a chest mark.

I understand your point. We didn't have the skills and pace to be streaming the ball down and pin point passing to fowards and hence we relied heavily on big Anthony to take the big contested grabs and take the ball to the deck.

Without him we may have had to try and play a more precise style of football which we are not suited too.

Non the less it's crazy to place blame on Rocca when we were clearly smashed all over the ground. There is no way to say we would have won that game with him there. Rocca didn't cause both Rhyce and big bad Ryan Lonie to kack em and hence hand a big psychological upper hand to the Brions. It wasn't Rocca's fault that big Keating was smashing us in the ruck and taking our stoppage strength out of the game. All that would have happened with or without him their. They wanted it more which is a disgraceful thing to say considering the occasion but that's exactly what happend. Maybe it was a chockers efforts. Maybe there was a loss of morale without the big man but if we came out and played like a beaten team because Rocca wasn't there, that suggests we didn't have the mental toughness to get the job done regardless.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

this will be the last post as its wasting my time.

Well at least you know your limitations and admit you know nothing about football and structure, took awhile but well done

 

[Godfrey Jones]

^see what i mean when i say grow up. you constantly need to delude yourself that you've won the argument, rather than using facts you use your little pathetic games.

anyways if the fact is that without rocca there is no collingwood, which i dont agree, then i still blame malthouse for building a team reliant on one player. thankfully our current side is nothing like that and we are very even across the board. good to see

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

^see what i mean when i say grow up. you constantly need to delude yourself that you've won the argument, rather than using facts you use your little pathetic games.

Can I get you a tissue Princess?.. if you don't like it don't read it you twit

 

[Godfrey Jones]

lol. what a disgrace you are..

remove yourself from the board until you learn to talk to your fellow magpies.

immature little brats these days, i swear...