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Really? Apart from Ginnivan what other examples do you have?

As MM used to say - you treat star players differently ( alluding to Swans transgressions) and give them more latitude - Ginnivan was not a star or ever likely to be the full package, so there was no latitude.

I’m simply stating facts - they have a massive walk up start, to finals every year with their HGA. Surely you’re not denying this huge advantage.

How many teams share GMHBA with Geel? Their historical wins rate is over 80%, with closer to 8/9 in a season than 6/9 this year. If we had an 80% win rate at MCG as a sole tenant, you’d have a point, but sadly we don’t.

I used those dates because it coincides with when we both peaked with flags. So tracking progress when lists are comparable, to then assess success and list management, seemed sensible.

Not sure I can agree their recruiting is miles ahead - we had the Hine debate months ago in this context. Recency bias with Dempsey and Humphries, is not enough in my view. We even discussed their kids in the Hine debate and their kids are not miles ahead or ours. Agree Scott underperformed when...

Can’t agree - they are peripheral to the longevity to his success - excellent player manager, tactician and game day Coach. And I actually don’t really like the bloke, but nonetheless respect him. But massive HGA helps his record.

Same number of flags between 2010-2023. They have a win rate at GMHBA over 80% which gives them a walk up start to finals every year. We won a flag based on great recruitment which was lauded. For me they one have ONE insurmountable advantage which is nonetheless irksome - Scott has proven to...

They will get worked out like every other team. But the hardest attribute to counter will be their precision kicking.

Your lament is illogical- for every Dear there are at least 10 misses, and worse at pick 56. The draft is a lottery and to pretend you can guarantee a successful pick especially at Dear’s pick 57 is folly, let alone complain there are lessons to be learnt.

Of course - I’m just having a crack at PA

It’s a pity

He was very good playing up the field in the last few games - IQ could easily make a wingman IMO.

PA should bid for JFN - he’s got resilience, heart and a never say die attitude. It’s just what they need.

Take away the huge HGA for both Geel and Swans and they’d be well behind us IMO.

Don’t know how Rozee and Butters keep getting found out when the pressure is on. For me it’s probably body size - can’t compete against bodies like Danger. JHF has the size but can’t do it alone.

Pressure collapsed them again.

Geel, does.

HGA win rate helps a lot in season.

LOL - yes his lack of discipline and lack of professionalism would be handy.

I think it’s way too premature to write Dean off, given how much injury has impaired his progress. He’s shown improvement and his 17 marks in one game clearly shows we have something to work with. I keep saying this resonates like the delist calls on Murphy in 2021.

How did he have 17 marks in his last game without awareness IQ, or athleticism? He was considered a great interceptor and reader of the play, in his last VFL season.

I think Grundy is an interesting example. He’s superfluous and unsuited to our game style but valued in the Swan system. So projecting future game style changes is a different variable all together. Which basically means that there is no option but to build a competitive style based on the...

As to the dual sided example I used - I qualified it by saying “all things being equal”, because you’re right otherwise the other peripheral variables will confound the choice. There’s no such thing as perfect system but refining a systems and continuous improvement must always be the goal...

Agree - he’s got the body to be far more effective but he constantly hesitates at the contest. He needs to be far more committed at the hard ball.

In contrast Long brushed off Grundy and Parker in successive tackles - the kid is a brute.

Read a great book a few year ago “The Numbers Game” entirely about how data was driving the EPL. An amazing example was data that existed for strikers where their resilience was benchmarked. You could pick the downhill skier ( with a propensity to score once their team was ahead) from those with...

Agree and if Eyre starts showing promise then competition for the tall back post would be a positive, and keep the pressure to perform on Frampton.

There would have to be an existing system of metrics. Leppa is likely to add or subtract criteria, so I’m not not sure it’s that hard. For example a player fluent on both sides ( all other criteria being equal) would rate higher than a one sided player. Similarly speed. And the list would go on.

Leppa may just be wanting to find improved ways to help Hine identify talent.