List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[sr36]

Unless our younger half backs take a massive step this year I can’t see us in a rush to get rid of Markov.

Could be right, but I think there's a queue who are getting close who don't need a massive leap - just standard improvement - Ryan, Jiath and Parker and there's also WHE.

 

[Bianconeri]

Could be right, but I think there's a queue who are getting close who don't need a massive leap - just standard improvement - Ryan, Jiath and Parker and there's also WHE.

My issue with those listed is except for Jiath none of those guys have Markov’s pace and use it offensively.

With Jiath, as you you say with the Sudanese boys, is that they take time to develop core strength. I think he’s still a couple of pre seasons away from being able to tackle effectively like Markov.

 

[Dtennent94]

Hypothetical…

Let’s say Nathan Murphy were contracted for another team right now. He requests a trade to us.

If we trade him in, we get the service he was giving in 2023.

What would we pay to get him?

 

[sr36]

My issue with those listed is except for Jiath none of those guys have Markov’s pace and use it offensively.

With Jiath, as you you say with the Sudanese boys, is that they take time to develop core strength. I think he’s still a couple of pre seasons away from being able to tackle effectively like Markov.

I don't think Markov's pace is a prerequisite - if it was he'd be in the team as we haven't replaced his pace with pace.

 

[gouki88]

Unless our younger half backs take a massive step this year I can’t see us in a rush to get rid of Markov.

I wouldn't be surprised if Parker & maybe TJ leapfrog him soon enough. Hopefully Ryan does too, but I'm not sure what to make of him.

 

[Bianconeri]

I don't think Markov's pace is a prerequisite - if it was he'd be in the team as we haven't replaced his pace with pace.

I agree I don’t think pace is a prerequisite, but you need some offensive tools.

I don’t think any of those guys come close the ball use, spatial awareness and agility of Josh Daicos and Houston that makes them offensive weapons so they’ll need to find something else.

 

[gouki88]

I agree I don’t think pace is a prerequisite, but you need some offensive tools.

I don’t think any of those guys come close the ball use, spatial awareness and agility of Josh Daicos and Houston that makes them offensive weapons so they’ll need to find something else.

I think comparing them to / expecting AA quality players is a large ask

 

[The Phantom]

Hypothetical…

Let’s say Nathan Murphy were contracted for another team right now. He requests a trade to us.

If we trade him in, we get the service he was giving in 2023.

What would we pay to get him?

Not that much.
The system made Murphy.
Murphy didn’t make the system.
No more than you’d be willing to pay Keane

 

[Bianconeri]

I think comparing them to / expecting AA quality players is a large ask

If they want to break into the team that’s the standard.

 

[gouki88]

If they want to break into the team that’s the standard.

Isn't this a discussion about replacing Markov, who hasn't broken into the team for ages?

 

[sr36]

I agree I don’t think pace is a prerequisite, but you need some offensive tools.

I don’t think any of those guys come close the ball use, spatial awareness and agility of Josh Daicos and Houston that makes them offensive weapons so they’ll need to find something else.

I think I view Markov differently to you. To me he's primarily a defender and not primarily a rebounder, despite the occasional awesome run. I view him as back up for Bruzzy and IQ - not Houston and Daicos, I think a couple of Ryan, TJ and WHE could all be ahead of him for defender back up as early as this year and Parker ahead as Houston and Daicos cover - with other options already in the team like Crisp and Perryman (for either rebounder or defender) - I think you'd move one of them back and bring in Allan before going to Oleg.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Could be right, but I think there's a queue who are getting close who don't need a massive leap - just standard improvement - Ryan, Jiath and Parker and there's also WHE.

sooner or later those kids need to be playing and see if they are up to it.

 

[Bianconeri]

I think I view Markov differently to you. To me he's primarily a defender and not primarily a rebounder, despite the occasional awesome run. I view him as back up for Bruzzy and IQ - not Houston and Daicos, I think a couple of Ryan, TJ and WHE could all be ahead of him for defender back up as early as this year and Parker ahead as Houston and Daicos cover - with other options already in the team like Crisp and Perryman (for either rebounder or defender) - I think you'd move one of them back and bring in Allan before going to Oleg.

Normally I’d view Markov that way as well but atm there’s no real depth in the Jaicos, Houston role.

I don’t view Parker the same way either. He’s shown more promise as a Maynard IQ replace then a rebounder IMO.

Perryman same thing. I’d move him back to fill IQ or Maynard’s role like he did against at the Bulldogs but I wouldn’t be playing him as a rebounder. And we’re still yet to see how important to the midfield set up he is. As the year goes on the preference may change to keep the midfield intact and move

Crisp is the only player I would move back to cover that role so atm there’s only one player ahead of Markov and he’s already in the side in another role. That’s not enough where I’d comfortably delist Markov.

I still think Markov’s run gives him an edge in the defensive over the likes of Parker, Ryan and WHE as Bruzzy and IQ still provide run despite being defenders first.

 

[Bianconeri]

Isn't this a discussion about replacing Markov, who hasn't broken into the team for ages?

Yes it is.

Do you have anything you’d like to add to the discussion?

 

[sr36]

Normally I’d view Markov that way as well but atm there’s no real depth in the Jaicos, Houston role.

I don’t view Parker the same way either. He’s shown more promise as a Maynard IQ replace then a rebounder IMO.

Perryman same thing. I’d move him back to fill IQ or Maynard’s role like he did against at the Bulldogs but I wouldn’t be playing him as a rebounder. And we’re still yet to see how important to the midfield set up he is. As the year goes on the preference may change to keep the midfield intact and move

Crisp is the only player I would move back to cover that role so atm there’s only one player ahead of Markov and he’s already in the side in another role. That’s not enough where I’d comfortably delist Markov.

I still think Markov’s run gives him an edge in the defensive over the likes of Parker, Ryan and WHE as Bruzzy and IQ still provide run despite being defenders first.

They're quality playmakers and key parts our ball movement. Their roles aren't likely to be replaced from outside the team - it'd be guys like Perryman, Crisp or Pendles - with guys like Allan, WHE or Sullivan replacing them in their mid/wing roles, I think.

 

[Bianconeri]

They're quality playmakers and key parts our ball movement. Their roles aren't likely to be replaced from outside the team - it'd be guys like Perryman, Crisp or Pendles - with guys like Allan, WHE or Sullivan replacing them in their mid/wing roles, I think.

I disagree and my other paragraphs expanded more on that.

But just look at round zero’s selection. Markov was in for Houston until he did his calf

 

[TW Sherrin]

I love Maynard but there is also a decision to be made on whether they should let him walk and add another first round pick. There are only a few players on the list at the right age who can earn a decent pick and he's one. North would love him at half back. A leader and tone setter and he'll get paid.

 

[Harry O]

I love Maynard but there is also a decision to be made on whether they should let him walk and add another first round pick. There are only a few players on the list at the right age who can earn a decent pick and he's one. North would love him at half back. A leader and tone setter and he'll get paid.

Will not get a first rounder. 29yo

 

[sr36]

I disagree and my other paragraphs expanded more on that.

But just look at round zero’s selection. Markov was in for Houston until he did his calf

But in what role? Oleg doesn't get much of the ball and isn't composed with it when he does - I doubt we'll set up for him to receive a lot of ball as a key rebounder. Bruzzy is the other one who can play as a rebounder. i think there's multiple options in the team and we'd be looking to replace the bloke who shifts there if we need to cover for injury to either of those two.

 

[gouki88]

Yes it is.

Do you have anything you’d like to add to the discussion?

Thought it was pretty obvious. Parker, TJ and Ryan don't need to supplant Houston & Daicos (which are not like for like in the first place) to supplant Markov, the latter which I think happens this season.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

But just look at round zero’s selection. Markov was in for Houston until he did his calf

But he's still not even remotely in the best 22, even if he's a positionally suitable replacement for a particular missing player, he hasn't been in the best 22 since the 2023 Grand Final.

He was replaced in the Best 22 by John Noble last year, who has now been replaced in the best 22 by Dan Houston.

So we're talking about a replacement-level player at a position where we have a lot of young players (Ryan, Jiath, Parker, DeMattia, Cochran potentially, given his running ability). While it's possible that in 2025, on a given day, he may be the best available option for a particular role, that doesn't mean that we would necessarily need a replacement for him after this year.

 

[Jen2310]

But he's still not even remotely in the best 22, even if he's a positionally suitable replacement for a particular missing player, he hasn't been in the best 22 since the 2023 Grand Final.

He was replaced in the Best 22 by John Noble last year, who has now been replaced in the best 22 by Dan Houston.

So we're talking about a replacement-level player at a position where we have a lot of young players (Ryan, Jiath, Parker, DeMattia, Cochran potentially, given his running ability). While it's possible that in 2025, on a given day, he may be the best available option for a particular role, that doesn't mean that we would necessarily need a replacement for him after this year.

Parker was selected over him in round 23 last year. Ryan was even ahead of him on the emg list for that game. But we can all admit Markov did not have his best year. Whether he peaked in 2023 or not and its a level he will struggle to go to again remains to be seen.

 

[sr36]

But he's still not even remotely in the best 22, even if he's a positionally suitable replacement for a particular missing player, he hasn't been in the best 22 since the 2023 Grand Final.

He was replaced in the Best 22 by John Noble last year, who has now been replaced in the best 22 by Dan Houston.

So we're talking about a replacement-level player at a position where we have a lot of young players (Ryan, Jiath, Parker, DeMattia, Cochran potentially, given his running ability). While it's possible that in 2025, on a given day, he may be the best available option for a particular role, that doesn't mean that we would necessarily need a replacement for him after this year.

And we also have WHE as an experienced replacement player if the youngsters are deemed not ready.

 

[sr36]

Parker was selected over him in round 23 last year. Ryan was even ahead of him on the emg list for that game. But we can all admit Markov did not have his best year. Whether he peaked in 2023 or not and its a level he will struggle to go to again remains to be seen.

No one is going to get close to Houston, Josh, IQ and Bruzzy. These other backs are only currently relevant as depth in terms of injury cover, or if Frampton bombs and we choose to play Bruzzy as a tall. Who knows on the clubs pecking order, but if it was a GF and we needed cover- I'd be betting on WHE coming in.

 

[Bianconeri]

Thought it was pretty obvious. Parker, TJ and Ryan don't need to supplant Houston & Daicos (which are not like for like in the first place) to supplant Markov, the latter which I think happens this season.

I thought my point was pretty was a pretty obvious response to SR’s assertion that pace isn’t a pre requisite because Houston and Daicos too.

For those guys to be considered depth for Daicos and Houston’s role they’ll need to develop offensive weapons. Markov has one offensive weapon which is pace and line breaking.

Until those guys develop more offensive weapons I’m backing in Markov as depth for that role over them.