List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[Smotie2]

What bzparkes said.

If West Coast finish last, they would have pick 1, and receive pick 2 as a compensation pick.

And we would trade them both away for pick 14 and 16 because we committed to a 28 year old from Richmond

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Anyone wanna talk about the weak ass response from the club? The club have said they wont address it with Oscar nor will they discipline him for it.

I’m reading that as the club saying they have said you have our final offer in front of you, you want better go and get it somewhere else and we’ll take the compo pick and Oscar’s chosen to do that as publicly as possible.

 

[twce13]

Fogarty 167 goals from 105 games vs O Allen 142 from 96 games

Not much in between the two, time will tell who had the better career as both are midway through their careers.

Oscar also played a lot of games in def just fyi

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Anyone wanna talk about the weak ass response from the club? The club have said they wont address it with Oscar nor will they discipline him for it.

Two parts here. We can't have our CEO play golf with the hottest out of contract commodity on the market and then get upset over a coffee.

More to the point, it's not like we are making a desperate play to keep Oscar at our club.

My gut is we've told Oscar we are not budging on our offer, which then makes it necessary for Oscar to test the market.

Oscar was naive to think it was a good idea to have Sam fly out to meet him and that no one should know.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Oscar also played a lot of games in def just fyi

"alot of games" - he played 2 games in defence in 2018, started as a forward in R1 2019 and played 99% of the time as a forward with some time in the ruck pre 2022.

Sometimes he has gone to the backline to help support the defence (like against Carlton).

FWIW, I think Oscar is the more valuable player compared to Fogarty because Oscar is a true CHF, not a 3rd tall/CHF hybrid like Darcy.

But on output Fogarty has gone past Oscar.

 

[mattyc75]

If we are gona get pick 1 and 2 do we even want to win games? [emoji2957][emoji1787]

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The way he walks i bet he feels 10 yrs older.

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[DanWCE]

 

[stallon]

Big call, Fogarty is lineball or in front of Allen in practically every stat (except behinds scored) for 2024 season to the present. I'll be the first to say that his attributes aren't quite good enough to play as a No. 1 KPF permanently, which is the role he was forced to take last year; but not every team has the luxury of a Thilthorpe. Unlike OA, he's barely missed any games, plus there's the whole 'hasn't been caught chatting with oppo coaches' thing. If tested on the market, I think he'd have many more takers than you give him credit for

Im talking only the players ability.
Fogartys stats look better because hes playing in a stronger side and not getting the #1 defender.

Youve compared stats of 2024 where Allen spent half of it injured, then came back underdone needing a few weeks to get going.
Then for 2025 where the crows have won 3 games comfortably vs the eagles losing all of them.
Round 1 eagles lose by 87, allen 0 supply
round 2 Allen is double teamed by Andrews and Payne all day
Round 3 Allen is double teamed by Pearce and someone else all day

Just the stats arent a good comparison.
I stand by what I said, Allen would still be in the next tier above Fogarty

 

[JackOutback]

Say what you want about TB, he was a gun the last couple of years when fit.

There was no social media and fewer tabloid trash footy shows but the scrutiny on Chris Judd's contract status was intense. He was the original Harley Reid. No one ever really considered Cousins or NicNat leaving because they were locals. As a second year player Judd was kicking 5 goals in a half vs the 3peat Lions. He had considered returning to Victoria in 2005 but ended up staying until the end of 2007. His last season he polled 16 Brownlow votes in 8 games before injuring his groin. His last game was playing off one leg out of the goal square and he managed two goals in a narrow QF loss. I don't know how close he got to leaving in 2003 or 2005 but his performances over 6 years were elite.

What is really disappointing currently is that all the media focus in on Allen and Reid, with a tiny bit falling onto Tim Kelly. So you've got a club captain who is a free agent and out of form, a #1 draft pick with second year blues and a former high prize recruit who is out of contract, out of form and 'doesn't love the game'. I miss Rd 4-6 last year when there were some real positives and a brief respite from "when are you getting sacked Simmo?" pressers. Even a decent showing vs Brisbane was all about Harley Reid and his 7 free kicks against.

In the event that Allen and Reid both leave what will be next? Mini watch?

Yeah, rounds 4-6 last year were fun, but the rest of the year was putrid. We have a new coach, new game plan, there will be new players getting a chance, and a pretty shit draw, I can accept the tough start if the team starts to find its rhythm and starts picking up those wins in the second half of the season.

 

[BG__]

i've tried to be optimistic the last few years, but quickly losing all hope. We've become an absolute joke and laughing stock of the league now, especially the last 6 months.

We used to be feared and a powerhouse, now I feel like Gold Coast at their worst, but we don't have the endless supply of academy picks or hand outs to get us back up.

Hard to see some light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. Going to be a long road back to finals.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Two parts here. We can't have our CEO play golf with the hottest out of contract commodity on the market and then get upset over a coffee.

More to the point, it's not like we are making a desperate play to keep Oscar at our club.

My gut is we've told Oscar we are not budging on our offer, which then makes it necessary for Oscar to test the market.

Oscar was naive to think it was a good idea to have Sam fly out to meet him and that no one should know.

Agree with this aspect except for the golf thing. Couldnt care less if Oscar met with Hawthorn in February. Him doing it now is the funadmental problem

Its ignoring the most crucial detail of all to make a judgment

 

[Goroyals22]

End of 2021 at the JW medal Simmo said there was a need for unity in the club to turn things around.

4 years later looks like it’s still needed.

That was secret code for “ I will look after the credits crew” above all else

 

[Scotland]

Agree with this aspect except for the golf thing. Couldnt care less if Oscar met with Hawthorn in February. Him doing it now is the funadmental problem

Its ignoring the most crucial detail of all to make a judgment

Or he could do it in April when we play Hawthorn in Melbourne. Or he could make a phone call. Or his manager could do his job,

Will Schofield speaks very highly of both Sam Mitchell and Adrian Hickmott who are now at Hawthorn. I wouldn't really care if any our plays stay in regular contact with those guys, or Jaymie Graham, or whoever. No different to Harley Reid catching up with Luke Hodge (who I don't believe has any official link to Hawthorn or Brisbane currently). Harley can have a coffee with Daicos or JHF if he thinks it will be beneficial for all I care.

The combination of factors make the optics of this look so bad. Sam Mitchell has no business being in Perth this week as his team just played in Tassie and their next game is in Adelaide in two weeks. He chose to be here and Allen chose to meet with him, knowing he is already the subject of speculation over a free agency move and a club captain and playing poorly in a team that is not winning... Read the room, man. And if it's 'just the modern way' then front up to the next press conference and own it. 'Yeah I met up with Sam. He was an assistant here in my first year and we have a good relationship. I am out of contract and my management is working through that with the club but I am fully committed as captain to leading this team'.

 

[WCErevival]

Why couldn't they wait until they were both in Adelaide and meet up. Seems strange for Mitchell to come all the way over.

 

[Patron]

Or he could do it in April when we play Hawthorn in Melbourne. Or he could make a phone call. Or his manager could do his job,

Will Schofield speaks very highly of both Sam Mitchell and Adrian Hickmott who are now at Hawthorn. I wouldn't really care if any our plays stay in regular contact with those guys, or Jaymie Graham, or whoever. No different to Harley Reid catching up with Luke Hodge (who I don't believe has any official link to Hawthorn or Brisbane currently). Harley can have a coffee with Daicos or JHF if he thinks it will be beneficial for all I care.

The combination of factors make the optics of this look so bad. Sam Mitchell has no business being in Perth this week as his team just played in Tassie and their next game is in Adelaide in two weeks. He chose to be here and Allen chose to meet with him, knowing he is already the subject of speculation over a free agency move and a club captain and playing poorly in a team that is not winning... Read the room, man. And if it's 'just the modern way' then front up to the next press conference and own it. 'Yeah I met up with Sam. He was an assistant here in my first year and we have a good relationship. I am out of contract and my management is working through that with the club but I am fully committed as captain to leading this team'.

Maybe this is all part of an elaborate ruse.

We are using our captain to bait hawthorn and the vic media into piling on a heap of pressure only for him to then come and resign on less money and go, lol no way i'm going to Hawthorn, leaving the group galvanized and confident their captain is fully buying in.

Do I think this is the case? No.
Are we better off with pick 2 for Allen long term? Yes.
Would this be hilarious if it eventuated regardless - hell yes.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why couldn't they wait until they were both in Adelaide and meet up. Seems strange for Mitchell to come all the way over.

Because Nobu have the best caviar im told

 

[Rowan18]

i've tried to be optimistic the last few years, but quickly losing all hope. We've become an absolute joke and laughing stock of the league now, especially the last 6 months.

We used to be feared and a powerhouse, now I feel like Gold Coast at their worst, but we don't have the endless supply of academy picks or hand outs to get us back up.

Hard to see some light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. Going to be a long road back to finals.

I really don't understand why you are dropping your bundle now. 2023 was the darkest time, we're now at a point where we have significant young talent on the list and it's a case of building their experience and trading in the missing pieces. The new coach is a big factor too. All new coaches take minimum 6 months to bed something down and McQualter may take longer as he's a rookie.

At some point this year (likely in second half),the wheel will turn and we'll be on the up. We'll see smaller losses and more competitive effort. It may then take a few more seasons to round out the list, but I'm confident we're closer to finals than futher away.

 

[bzparkes]

Hope, success or short term adversity breeds unity.

Multiple years of shiteness breeds disunity, just look at how big clubs Tigers (9thmond) and Bombers had and have significant disunity.

WC is no different and there going to be a lot of empty seats towards the backend of this year.

Interesting from the clubs AFL website:

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Shades of Owies, Baker, Graham and Brockman.

Didn't we draft Judd that year?

 

[Monocle]

I don’t have an issue with Oscar exploring his options and as such, that in itself is not a big story for me.

However that being said it’s something that should be done through his manager as this early juncture in the season, given that his Joint Captain of the team.

If his management were aware of the meeting and endorsed it, I would think that bad advise from his manager.

It’s not a good look that he has met Mitchell in person, after all this is exactly why you have a manager, to handle this sort of stuff.

He is badly out of form.
Not playing with much passion.
Not displaying strong on field leadership.

From a PR perspective for him personally, it will taint his leadership going forward.

I have to Agree with both Garry Lyon and Eddie McGuire, that the in person meeting with Mitchell, has compromised both his legitimacy as a team Captain and undermines the importance of team leadership.

I don’t think the Club will do this BUT, if I was the CEO, I would be asking him to stand down as Joint Captain.

But then again I am very old school and if I had a leader that I knew was considering bailing out at seasons end, I would have difficulty respecting that player as a leader.

As a teammate sure, but as a leader nope.

 

[JackOutback]

I really don't understand why you are dropping your bundle now. 2023 was the darkest time, we're now at a point where we have significant young talent on the list and it's a case of building their experience and trading in the missing pieces. The new coach is a big factor too. All new coaches take minimum 6 months to bed something down and McQualter may take longer as he's a rookie.

At some point this year (likely in second half),the wheel will turn and we'll be on the up. We'll see smaller losses and more competitive effort. It may then take a few more seasons to round out the list, but I'm confident we're closer to finals than futher away.

What's more, we're already seeing smaller losses against Brisbane and Freo. Two years ago, we'd be begging for 20-40 point losses. People are always optimistic before the season starts so there's further to fall if we don't perform early. I just want to see the likes of Reid, Hewett, A.Reid, Williams and Hough play more together, Gross and Hall to get a guernsey, maybe Bazzo to get an extended run. Then there's Waterman and Yeo to come back.

 

[Scotland]

What's more, we're already seeing smaller losses against Brisbane and Freo. Two years ago, we'd be begging for 20-40 point losses. People are always optimistic before the season starts so there's further to fall if we don't perform early. I just want to see the likes of Reid, Hewett, A.Reid, Williams and Hough play more together, Gross and Hall to get a guernsey, maybe Bazzo to get an extended run. Then there's Waterman and Yeo to come back.

Agreed, but we have to be realistic that the derby margin was a reflection on Freo not WC. They haven't been great so far this year and really should've won by at least 10 goals on the balance of play.

The only teams with anything resembling a form line at this point are Hawthorn who have added a 4-0 start to a 12-3 finish, and Adelaide and Gold Coast who have been beating up on lesser sides. And now they play each other so we can see how evenly matched they are. Brisbane at 3-0 haven't had a convincing win and none of the winless sides have been comically bad.

 

[ghostbat12]

How about they all get together and talk about their feelings. Allen can tell us how he doesn’t feel loved that we are making considerations of his injury history and we can talk about how he is a crap captain.

Look, Tom lunch is good example here. Good player, injury prone, went to Gold Coast and Gold Coast ended up with izak rankine as pick 3 compensation.

Now leaving fact that rankine left, it really worked out well all around.

We likely need a cheap tall to help waterman initially but jack williams can probably provide that now until Reid and shanahan are up and about.

We need midfielders!!

 

[lloydbraun]

How about they all get together and talk about their feelings. Allen can tell us how he doesn’t feel loved that we are making considerations of his injury history and we can talk about how he is a crap captain.

Look, Tom lunch is good example here. Good player, injury prone, went to Gold Coast and Gold Coast ended up with izak rankine as pick 3 compensation.

Now leaving fact that rankine left, it really worked out well all around.

We likely need a cheap tall to help waterman initially but jack williams can probably provide that now until Reid and shanahan are up and about.

We need midfielders!!

Tom Lunch lacked the hunger at the Suns

 

[Scotland]

At some point this year (likely in second half),the wheel will turn and we'll be on the up. We'll see smaller losses and more competitive effort. It may then take a few more seasons to round out the list, but I'm confident we're closer to finals than futher away.

No one can say this with any surety. Improvement isn't linear and there is there is a distinct possibility we aren't much better in Round 10 or 15 or 20 than we are now. Remember the "unstoppable" Hawks were 0-5 last year and looked every bit a 0-5 side. They were keeping North company who took 12 games to get a win and that was falling over the line against us.

McGovern is out for a month, Barrass left, Waterman is out (possible return this week), Allen is out of form, Yeo is out, Wunderkind Harley Reid is struggling, and we have arguably the worst ruck combo and worst midfield in the league. The media vultures love to circle but right now there are more negatives coming out of the club than positives.

I'd argue we've seen better effort already but just don't have the cattle. No one knows for sure whether Allen will stay, what Reid wants to do etc. but it presents like there are a lot of distractions. It won't be pretty if it happens but the club might need to rip off the bandaid and get rid of players who don't want to be there to at least create a bit of unity. Last year (and the year before) was all Simmo Simmo. This year is all about who doesn't want to be there. It's been a pattern with other clubs too. Hawthorn's Clarko/Mitchell thing was a disaster, Melbourne with Petracca and Oliver, potentially Port now with Kern and Josh Carr and now Butters. Ongoing 'where there's smoke' speculation rarely sligns with success.

 

[NYRB]

This isnt a big deal. I dont understand why people are jumping on and saying the club is weak. We have no ****ing idea what the club is doing behind the scenes, its been 24 hours.....everyone needs to take a breath and chill.

This club should be doing what Hawks is doing, WCE_phil mentioned many times we were in alot of players ears last year and we should ****ing be doing it this year. We have so much cash we should be picking and choosing the players and bullying the comp with the offers we make - only if it makes sense....

Ozzie is seeking options, nothing wrong with it. He just got caught, its a bad look but nothing more than that. We stick with the offer, but the best result is he leaves and nets us a pick (2 or 3).

As for priority assistance. I been saying for last three years we should be screaming at AFL Hours for priority picks every year. If FA Compensations nets us Pick 2 - This should not be a reason to be ignored thats the rules and completely separate for getting help.

If we were Victorian club we would have had two years of assistance by now. I want the Norf/GCS ****ing package.

How would it work if the Eagles finished last in 2025?


Are we talking about the possibilty of the Eagles getting Picks 1 & 2 if Oscar walks, and Pick 3 for Priority Assistance?