List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

fOS would've been great but was gone before our pick anyway.

Harvey played in a different era and Jones isn't an inside mid. Both great players though but if Jagga ended up like them, we'd be complaining we picked yet another flanker.

Taking small Masten-esqe type players is a risk, but he's 5'10/5'11 and will gain strength through the gym. He won't put on bulk, just strength, which will allow him to be quick and agile. At this stage, I'm backing him to be an A-grade 200 game midfielder.

 

[bzparkes]

Taking small Masten-esqe type players is a risk, but he's 5'10/5'11 and will gain strength through the gym. He won't put on bulk, just strength, which will allow him to be quick and agile. At this stage, I'm backing him to be an A-grade 200 game midfielder.

The concern many have is that he just took 12 months off school and couldn't, or didn't, put on any size.

That was supposedly with a development plan given to him by Carlton.

He'll be good but can he get big enough to not get pushed off the ball?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

The concern many have is that he just took 12 months off school and couldn't, or didn't, put on any size.

That was supposedly with a development plan given to him by Carlton.

He'll be good but can he get big enough to not get pushed off the ball?

We don't know, but I'm taking him at 3 and offering Richmond circa pick 20 for Baker. If not, I'm taking Draper.

Maybe we get lucky. Smith gets pushed off the ball and ends up Chris Masten, and Draper is no better than Bo Allen. This sort of thing will happen occasionally. If it does, it's nothing but luck.

 

[Elite Pete]

I really hope we dont trade away our pick number 1 this year even if it's to secure Chad Warner.

Thoughts?

The chance pick 1 becomes as good as Warner isn’t great. So id do it in a heart beat but I can’t see him coming now. (Yes we would have to add something else on top but I’d take Warner)

You can see why are playing hardball with Oscar. Like most on here I think our list team think we have his replacement nearly ready to go in 12 months. But that comes with the danger of being a revolving door club.

Letting him go means we can get 2 mids via the draft (Sharp + Freddy or maybe Duursma and we know that might help in more ways than one)

We could so get the other one or Cody Curtin if they slip a little with a bundle of Hawks first 18* and our 2nd* which would be the value of about pick 6 for the lowest Suns (PA,Coll, GC) pick or one/two of them and Warner.

Plus if we go with hand out and get some priority picks even more points to bundle for likely Swans, Lions picks. Plus all that and Walley, Evans and Banfield who could all fall somewhere in the 10-40 range and at discounted price.

Bringing in 2 or 3 mids to pair with Harley that all have 10 year left in them sets us up for the future. Plus still get massive value with NGA and FS matching.

Now just a replacement for Gov and a ruck and develop the kids right.

But who can guess which way this will go? Huge off-season incoming again, just hope the get the trading and drafting right.

 

[CountryLad]

If Cal Twomey is right so Rodriguez doesn’t fall in the top 10 and we use Hawks 1R on him.

Cal tends to underrate the WA boys at this time of the year. Fred and others will rise once the championships get under way.

 

[WCE777]

The chance pick 1 becomes as good as Warner isn’t great. So id do it in a heart beat but I can’t see him coming now. (Yes we would have to add something else on top but I’d take Warner)

You can see why are playing hardball with Oscar. Like most on here I think our list team think we have his replacement nearly ready to go in 12 months. But that comes with the danger of being a revolving door club.

Letting him go means we can get 2 mids via the draft (Sharp + Freddy or maybe Duursma and we know that might help in more ways than one)

We could so get the other one or Cody Curtin if they slip a little with a bundle of Hawks first 18* and our 2nd* which would be the value of about pick 6 for the lowest Suns (PA,Coll, GC) pick or one/two of them and Warner.

Plus if we go with hand out and get some priority picks even more points to bundle for likely Swans, Lions picks. Plus all that and Walley, Evans and Banfield who could all fall somewhere in the 10-40 range and at discounted price.

Bringing in 2 or 3 mids to pair with Harley that all have 10 year left in them sets us up for the future. Plus still get massive value with NGA and FS matching.

Now just a replacement for Gov and a ruck and develop the kids right.

But who can guess which way this will go? Huge off-season incoming again, just hope the get the trading and drafting right.

Agree, our first pick becoming a Warner are 50/50.
If our first pick was the cost for Warner and nothing else I would also do it.

Preferred option for Warner is Hawks 1st and WC F1st which is fair value, this leaves our 1st pick to draft the next top line mid like Sharp, Greeves, Rodriguez.

Oscar isn't going anywhere, he is our co-captain and they are just negotiating over the length of his deal imo.

We could also bundle up picks/use future picks to get another player of great quality that slips through to mid 1st round whether that is a midfielder of Hewett quality or KDEF of Curtin quality.

NGA and FS picks will be after picks 30 on so only a matter of matching with our later assets and future later assets.

Also following on from WCE_phil suggestion regarding Ward from Hawks, watching his last 2 games he is a very solid player who played against Walsh & Cerra last night an would say he looks to have similar ability.
Throw a 2nd round pick and a contract at Ward, OOC end 2025 and he will be another piece of our midfield group.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Agree, our first pick becoming a Warner are 50/50.
If our first pick was the cost for Warner and nothing else I would also do it.

Preferred option for Warner is Hawks 1st and WC F1st which is fair value, this leaves our 1st pick to draft the next top line mid like Sharp, Greeves, Rodriguez.

Oscar isn't going anywhere, he is our co-captain and they are just negotiating over the length of his deal imo.

We could also bundle up picks/use future picks to get another player of great quality that slips through to mid 1st round whether that is a midfielder of Hewett quality or KDEF of Curtin quality.

NGA and FS picks will be after picks 30 on so only a matter of matching with our later assets and future later assets.

Also following on from WCE_phil suggestion regarding Ward from Hawks, watching his last 2 games he is a very solid player who played against Walsh & Cerra last night an would say he looks to have similar ability.
Throw a 2nd round pick and a contract at Ward, OOC end 2025 and he will be another piece of our midfield group.

The problem with Warner is that he simply won't be as good in a bottom 4 side. There's some players who are good no matter what side they play in (Bont, Pendles, Buckley, Hird etc). Warner is not on that level IMO. So if he tells the Swans he wants to join West Coast, I'm offering up Hawks 1st and F1. I gotta say, it's disappointing that the Hawks are kicking on from last season.

I'm not a fan of priority picks at all, but if those North trailer trash keep getting them, then the AFL needs to pony up.

 

[RanaNaved]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Don't shoot me down.

History since 2017.

2017 the infamous taking of brander with our first pick instead of Allen which led to us taking Allen with our second pick and Geelong taking Kelly.

Happy to be corrected but if we had traded and drafted differently we could have had these players on our list.

2019 had we not traded for Kelly. The pick 14 was used on Bergman. Quite a decent player

2020 the future first pick 18 given to Geelong could have been used on the likes of max Holmes or Tyler Brockman who we had to trade for recently anyway.

2022 traded pick 3 and could have pick sheezel.

2023 Reid.

2024 pick 3 we could picked up jagga smith.

Let's correct all this and draft without ****ing up out picks and forgetting the brander shit.

If we had not traded for Kelly and not traded out our high picks each year in 2 of the last 3 years we could very well have had the following players in our team right now.

Jagga smith
Harry sheezel
Max Holmes
Miles Bergman

These added to Elliot Yeo and Harley reid and we have much better and talented midfield/team

I really hope we dont trade away our pick number 1 this year even if it's to secure Chad Warner.

Thoughts?

More like we could've taken always injured Wardlaw instead of Ginbey and always injured Hewett. Pass

Or we could've taken tiny ACL victim Jagga instead of diarrhoea victim Allan, Baker and Gross. Pass

 

[Patron]

The problem with Warner is that he simply won't be as good in a bottom 4 side. There's some players who are good no matter what side they play in (Bont, Pendles, Buckley, Hird etc). Warner is not on that level IMO. So if he tells the Swans he wants to join West Coast, I'm offering up Hawks 1st and F1. I gotta say, it's disappointing that the Hawks are kicking on from last season.

I'm not a fan of priority picks at all, but if those North trailer trash keep getting them, then the AFL needs to pony up.

If our season keeps going the way it is and we only have 3-4 wins again we will get some PP's. Hopefully they realise we didn't get any when we should have last year and they "manufacture" a scenario to give us picks for Warner.

That way we could end up with:
Pick 1 (probably sharp), Pick 2 (OA) and Warner (paid for with Hawks first, and a couple PP's.)

If we brought in Sharp, Duursma and Warner, I reckon Harley would be staying and we would have an elite young core of mids.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Oscar isn't going anywhere, he is our co-captain and they are just negotiating over the length of his deal imo.

The general vibe of everyone is sticking point is tenure.

Both parties seem pretty stuck to their positions.

I’m not sure the deal will get much better, and nor should it.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I know we have a gaping hole in our list but looking at each draft in isolation it's hard to be too critical as much as I want to given the shemozzle the club has become. Pre-2018 trading away first rounder for Redden, integral to our premiership. Post 2018 we loaded up again with Kelly. Didn't work but if covid didn't happen and Willie didn't smoke pot, who knows what would have happened in 2020. We went on an 8 or so game winning streak that year. We've also had some shitty luck with Venables. Every club has a dud like Brander or Chesser taken in the first round. Just got to minimise them. Easier with top 5 picks so we have gambled somewhat trading them away. Keen to see Bo.

Mids usually develop quicker than talls, so I hope they get a move on while we still have Waterman and Oscar.

Bigger issue than our drafting has been our development in the WAFL.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If our season keeps going the way it is and we only have 3-4 wins again we will get some PP's. Hopefully they realise we didn't get any when we should have last year and they "manufacture" a scenario to give us picks for Warner.

That way we could end up with:
Pick 1 (probably sharp), Pick 2 (OA) and Warner (paid for with Hawks first, and a couple PP's.)

If we brought in Sharp, Duursma and Warner, I reckon Harley would be staying and we would have an elite young core of mids.

I'd be offering the Duursma sister 90% of the cap. Daisy will be like, "Hey, what's going on, these girls can't play. We're going to win the spoon". I'd be like, "Don't worry about it, mate. No one cares".

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If our season keeps going the way it is and we only have 3-4 wins again we will get some PP's. Hopefully they realise we didn't get any when we should have last year and they "manufacture" a scenario to give us picks for Warner.

That way we could end up with:
Pick 1 (probably sharp), Pick 2 (OA) and Warner (paid for with Hawks first, and a couple PP's.)

If we brought in Sharp, Duursma and Warner, I reckon Harley would be staying and we would have an elite young core of mids.

On a serious note, I think the whole, "let's bring in Baker and Graham and we'll lift enough so Harley will stay" is a bad play. I agree that both players are assets, but a better way to get Harley to stay is for him to see elite potential. The haul you suggest (or thereabouts) would be optimum.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

The general vibe of everyone is sticking point is tenure.

Both parties seem pretty stuck to their positions.

I’m not sure the deal will get much better, and nor should it.

I'm happy to cash those chips in. I'd be happy for Oscar if he pinched a flag at another club. In a good side, he'll compete for the Coleman.

 

[WCE_phil]

Rodriguez is class but WA have a lot of mids to run through the middle. He could slide a bit to that 10-15 mark but if he has a top year he's top 5, likely top 3.

If sharp has a stagnant year he isn't going pick 1 either.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So for the people who live and breathe this shit.

For me, Warner must be Hawks R1 and R2 or F2, if it really comes to it maybe Hawks R1 and F1.

But if we miss on Warner our R1 pick needs to be whoever that top three kid is; Be it Sharp. But how else do we target Fred, Walley, Banfield.

Is there a way to get creative and maybe target Sheldrick/Busslinger or even Curtin?

*assuming OA settles for four years, extension of 2 on 800-900k PA and he doesnt go as a FA

 

[WCE777]

The problem with Warner is that he simply won't be as good in a bottom 4 side. There's some players who are good no matter what side they play in (Bont, Pendles, Buckley, Hird etc). Warner is not on that level IMO. So if he tells the Swans he wants to join West Coast, I'm offering up Hawks 1st and F1. I gotta say, it's disappointing that the Hawks are kicking on from last season.

I'm not a fan of priority picks at all, but if those North trailer trash keep getting them, then the AFL needs to pony up.

Warner isn't an in and under mid for sure but he is top 10 outside, goal kicking mid if not higher and you take those players when they are available. Hawks 1st and WC F1st is the price like you say.

 

[WCE777]

Rodriguez is class but WA have a lot of mids to run through the middle. He could slide a bit to that 10-15 mark but if he has a top year he's top 5, likely top 3.

If sharp has a stagnant year he isn't going pick 1 either.

Would be a real boost o the midfield to get both this year, who knows what happens between now and draft time.
Keep our 1st pick and get that elite mid and use our chips to get the second mid that slides, that 10-15 mark.
Could be a very good midfield outfit in 3-4 years with Reid, Hewett, Sharp, Rodriguez!

 

[WCE_phil]

I know it's another club but really interested to see how Keeler goes for the saints this weekend. Super high end talent who slid for a multitude of reasons.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Would be a real boost o the midfield to get both this year, who knows what happens between now and draft time.
Keep our 1st pick and get that elite mid and use our chips to get the second mid that slides, that 10-15 mark.
Could be a very good midfield outfit in 3-4 years with Reid, Hewett, Sharp, Rodriguez!

Pretty sure you said previously that Warner was 80% done and just agreeing on a deal. Are you still confident he comes to west coast?

 

[Truly Lazuli]

If our season keeps going the way it is and we only have 3-4 wins again we will get some PP's. Hopefully they realise we didn't get any when we should have last year and they "manufacture" a scenario to give us picks for Warner.

That way we could end up with:
Pick 1 (probably sharp), Pick 2 (OA) and Warner (paid for with Hawks first, and a couple PP's.)

If we brought in Sharp, Duursma and Warner, I reckon Harley would be staying and we would have an elite young core of mids.

The real question is do the vAFL want Harley at West Coast? I get the feeling that they would love it if he ended up playing at a traditional VFL team. So I think it unlikely they'll do anything that helps us keep him.

 

[Elite Pete]

So for the people who live and breathe this shit.

For me, Warner must be Hawks R1 and R2 or F2, if it really comes to it maybe Hawks R1 and F1.

But if we miss on Warner our R1 pick needs to be whoever that top three kid is; Be it Sharp. But how else do we target Fred, Walley, Banfield.

Is there a way to get creative and maybe target Sheldrick/Busslinger or even Curtin?

*assuming OA settles for four years, extension of 2 on 800-900k PA and he doesnt go as a FA

We ain’t getting Warner for less then we got for Barrass. Maybe Hawks 1st and F1 as Swans will have a lot of academy kids this year. Not sure about next year.

If we miss and If we use our top pick on the best mid (Sharp) and if Fred is really good we would have to either let Oscar go or depending how good Fred or Curtin are this year, the bundle will work. We are in shape to bundle up picks this year for the 3 teams (5 picks likely to be sellers)

Wes, Evans and Banfield are ours and we can match the picks when and if a team bids. We might go into points loss for next year but once again we have plenty of picks and points to hopefully move them around correctly when we have a better idea where players will go.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Pretty sure you said previously that Warner was 80% done and just agreeing on a deal. Are you still confident he comes to west coast?

Ask WCE_Phil. He often sits in on these meetings, quietly on a chair in the corner.

"Who's that dude sitting in the corner?"
"Don't worry, it's just Phil. Pretend he's not there."

 

[WCE_phil]

Ask WCE_Phil. He often sits in on these meetings, quietly on a chair in the corner.

"Who's that dude sitting in the corner?"
"Don't worry, it's just Phil. Pretend he's not there."

I'm not involved anymore but i'm no longer confident, for me the time was last year, it was why I was so pissed about the swans losing the GF.

 

[ziad]

The problem with Warner is that he simply won't be as good in a bottom 4 side. There's some players who are good no matter what side they play in (Bont, Pendles, Buckley, Hird etc). Warner is not on that level IMO. So if he tells the Swans he wants to join West Coast, I'm offering up Hawks 1st and F1. I gotta say, it's disappointing that the Hawks are kicking on from last season.

I'm not a fan of priority picks at all, but if those North trailer trash keep getting them, then the AFL needs to pony up.

While I agree, I hope our plan isn't to stay bottom 4.