Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

[dlanod]

This is going to be a very touchy subject.

There will be a very broad range of opinions about the correct way to handle this.

I'll remind everyone to post respectfully at this time - sniping at each other is not going to help.

Any continued pointless back and forth will get a day or more to cool off. If you want to avoid this fate, let it go.

 

[western royboy]

If you were being bullied at work, would you go to Worksafe or the ABC?

If you wanted some light shone on it because you feared it would be covered up…

 

[martinson]

If you wanted some light shone on it because you feared it would be covered up…

This has already gone through a long process with nobody publicly being any the wiser.

The flipside of that is you would go to the ABC if you wanted to stir up a hornet's nest and and have one side of the story put out there .

Honestly ,this fear of a cover up has long had its shelf life.

 

[martinson]

If you wanted some light shone on it because you feared it would be covered up…

There's nothing in it for the AFL to cover it up once the allegations have been made and a report filed and made public. With a full ABC pile on. Plus the guy in The Age.

Everyone was watching the AFL like a hawk.

They tried their best and the complainants never fronted ( apologies if I have that wrong )

The accused have maintained (privately) and reading into anything they've said publicly that none of it ever happened.

Interested to see if this ever gets to any sort of full disclosure in the Federal Court.

 

[BangyBangy]

If you wanted some light shone on it because you feared it would be covered up…

Yeah, that's a fair point.

I would have been happy to see this go straight to court from the get go.

 

[western royboy]

There's nothing in it for the AFL to cover it up once the allegations have been made and a report filed and made public. With a full ABC pile on. Plus the guy in The Age.

Everyone was watching the AFL like a hawk.

They tried their best and the complainants never fronted ( apologies if I have that wrong )

The accused have maintained (privately) and reading into anything they've said publicly that none of it ever happened.

Interested to see if this ever gets to any sort of full disclosure in the Federal Court.

How did the issue become public?

Have any of the allegations that were in the initial story written by Russell Jackson based upon what came out of the Hawthorn commissioned Binmada report changed at all?

With the greatest respect the AFL’s sole interest from day one was to shut everything down. The investigations they conducted were redundant at best and a waste of time and money. It went to the HRC where it could not be successfully mediated so we end up here. One party has made a claim, my understanding is that the parties have denied the claims and so it will be up the Hawthorn Lawyers to decide what they do. Do they fight it in open court or negotiate their way out if it?

I can’t see it going to court.

 

[martinson]

How did the issue become public?

Have any of the allegations that were in the initial story written by Russell Jackson based upon what came out of the Hawthorn commissioned Binmada report changed at all?

With the greatest respect the AFL’s sole interest from day one was to shut everything down. The investigations they conducted were redundant at best and a waste of time and money. It went to the HRC where it could not be successfully mediated so we end up here. One party has made a claim, my understanding is that the parties have denied the claims and so it will be up the Hawthorn Lawyers to decide what they do. Do they fight it in open court or negotiate their way out if it?

I can’t see it going to court.

They're perfectly happy to fight it in open court if they have to is my understanding.

As someone said ,recollections may vary.

I hope it never gets there for all involved.

 

[western royboy]

They're perfectly happy to fight it in open court if they have to is my understanding.

As someone said ,recollections may vary.

I hope it never gets there for all involved.

Unless Hawthorn fold early it’s got another two and a half years to run. Take that as a fact.

 

[martinson]

Unless Hawthorn fold early it’s got another two and a half years to run. Take that as a fact.

Well I guess the cost and mental trauma for anyone involved comes into it then doesn't it.

 

[T Rick]

Unless Hawthorn fold early it’s got another two and a half years to run. Take that as a fact.

Now that the complainants have lodged their statement of claim, what is the next step in the legal process?

 

[martinson]

Now that the complainants have lodged their statement of claim, what is the next step in the legal process?

It's not my area of expertise but I would imagine you have 28 days to file a response after which if both parties are litigious it could be at least another 12 months before it gets to mediation. WR is right. Unless settled you're looking at 2-3 years.

 

[Elixuh]

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/121991/2024-10-03_Defence_E2432367_v1.pdf

 

[Maboo]

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/121991/2024-10-03_Defence_E2432367_v1.pdf

A lot reading there and lt looks a lot different to the story broken by the ABC. This has just dropped on the Fox website

Hawks say ex-player was pulled from final for drugs as club hits back at explosive racism claims​

Fox Footy from Fox Sports
October 10th, 2024 3:43 pm
Hawthorn says alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was pulled from the 2010 elimination final against Fremantle after his partner informed the club he’d used marijuana during the week.
The Hawks also claim Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up by a then development at Melbourne Airport following a flight from Perth. It also says Peterson told Flood he had no money in his bank account and had lost his clothing.
And the club denies that former Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson told Peterson in a 2009 meeting to “break up” with his partner and that he told her to “terminate the pregnancy.”

The fresh claims from Hawthorn’s legal defence in Federal Court on Thursday come two years after the Hawks’ racism scandal first emerged as part of accusations from a 2022 cultural safety review.
Former Hawthorn staffers Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt have repeatedly denied all allegations made against them from ex-Hawks including Cyril Rioli, Peterson and others.

Former Hawk Carl Peterson (Photo by Mark Dadswell/Getty Images)Source: FOX SPORTS

The Hawthorn defence said it recruited Peterson at the end of 2008 despite “concerns relating to his drug use and his failure of a voluntary drug test in or around that time” flagged by the club’s recruiting team.
Peterson, who was delisted at the end of 2010, lived with a host family and welfare staff including Jason Burt and David Flood until early 2009 before he moved in with his partner Nikita Rotumah.
The Hawks deny a claim from Peterson from his statement that a meeting took place with Clarkson where the four-time premiership coach said words to the effects of “unless you break up with her and tell her to terminate the pregnancy, your football career will be in jeopardy.”

Hawthorn also rejects that a meeting with the coaches occurred after Peterson informed the club Rotumah was pregnant. The club says Fagan, Burt and Clarkson first became aware the couple were expecting a baby when the player informed teammates in late July or early August.

Cyril Rioli and Carl PetersonSource: News Limited

And thus the club says any action taken prior to that was without it being privy to Rotumah’s pregnancy.
Comments in 2018 from former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett in 2018 to Rioli’s partner Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli at Launceston Airport ultimately led to Rioli’s AFL retirement. Kennett has maintained the comments weren’t racially motivated.
Rioli received consideration and signed a deed of release that the Hawks say precluded him from taking Federal Court action.
Hawthorn’s legal defence claims in a meting prior to Rioli’s retirement in 2018, Ah Sam-Rioli and her brother Peter told ex-Hawks football boss Graham Wright that Hawthorn and Kennett were racist and wanted Kennett to apologise and re-sign.

It’s alleged they also wanted Hawthorn to pay more money than what was agreed in his contract.
The AFL set up a four-member panel to investigate the matter, which made no adverse findings against Clarkson, Fagan or Burt.
Earlier this year the Australian Human Rights Commission terminated a claim against Hawthorn by First Nations ex-players and their partners after the parties failed to come to a deal.

 

[LongLion]

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/121991/2024-10-03_Defence_E2432367_v1.pdf

After a general read it provides an insight to the huge amount of work that goes into player management off field.

 

[Perrip]

The Age: Hawthorn settle Federal Court case with indigenous players

 

[Grasshopper17]

The Age: Hawthorn settle Federal Court case with indigenous players

Wonder how this would have panned out had they not won the McClelland

 

[Section 5]

A bit easier to read this way

 

[Grasshopper17]

I smell The Boys Club part 2. Nice.

 

[Tom14]

I smell The Boys Club part 2. Nice.

 

[Grasshopper17]

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Pretty accurate article from Mick tho isn't it.

 

[Perrip]

I swear anyone who mentions the referendum now has zero idea about referendums in Australia. The voice referendum followed the standard process where an idea starts out with majority support before eventually being defeated due to declining support. Not to mention the lack of bipartisan support, which was another sign it wouldn't be successful.

 

[dlanod]

Pretty accurate article from Mick tho isn't it.

Not sure how Pride Rounds and Welcomes to Country are turning me against people.

I find stuff like that just tends to bring the people out of the woodwork who are already against people.

 

[Tom14]

Pretty accurate article from Mick tho isn't it.

Thought it was ludicrous actually but I'm not discussing politics on this forum. There's a thread for that.

 

[martinson]

Pretty accurate article from Mick tho isn't it.

Very gutsy of Mick to write that. It's his perspective which is arguable I suppose.

They'll go after him and taint him forever now.

 

[Tom14]

Very gutsy of Mick to write that. It's his perspective which is arguable I suppose.

They'll go after him and taint him forever now.

Mick has been pretty clear about his political leanings for a long, long time and it hasn't affected him. What's going to happen to him - be criticised a bit on social media? Oh no, what a problem for him.

He'll keep his job and keep living his life just fine. There's an entire cottage outrage industry based on being 'anti-woke', he might even do better.

 

[M Malice]

The whole point of my post was that it seems that Fages had been cleared some time before yet the AFL sat on it; but sure let's do the woke talk again.

How the AFL could hang people out to dry in such a manner is disgraceful, but it isn't the first and won't be the last because certain things must suit their agenda.

Yep that was what I took out of it as well, the woke stuff is just amusing.

"In the year of the voice they couldn't bring themselves to reveal that not one but two secret reports had cleared former Hawks officials Alastair Clackson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt of devastating claims of racism."