Opinion Politics (warning, may contain political views you disagree with)

[poshman]

You seem to think it's fine to kill innocent people

Just because someone supports a political group that Isreal hates it doesn't give them the right to kill those people.

It's indiscriminate and a war crime that Netanyahu gets away with because of the US supply

Ah the extreme personal attack that follows closely on the back of an appeal to authority.

No one is saying they have a right to kill anyone. Show me where that is written.

You mention nothing about the return of hostages, the way war is being waged by Hamas, which also (note the word also) are war crimes.

Going by your own logic does that mean you think it is fine that Hamas has killed and r*ped? Even that can be asked as a question without personal attack.

 

[King Huskii]

Ah the extreme personal attack that follows closely on the back of an appeal to authority.

No one is saying they have a right to kill anyone. Show me where that is written.

You mention nothing about the return of hostages, the way war is being waged by Hamas, which also (note the word also) are war crimes.

Going by your own logic does that mean you think it is fine that Hamas has killed and r*ped? Even that can be asked as a question without personal attack.

Go and re read my posts. I have condemned Hamas for what they did.

You might want to get the facts clear before making things up about me.

I also condem Netanyahu as he has gone past the point of retaliatory strikes on Hamas and has indiscriminately killed many thousands of innocent women and children.

Oh yeah and then some posters on here quote me and say that they aren't innocent because some of them support Hamas etc

Yeah because Isreal have always cared for and want the best for the people of Palestine. Before, during and one day after the genocide.

At the end of the day I'm clearly right and these pro Isreal biased posters are clearly wrong.

I'll step away now as I don't need to rehash my argument.

Peace

 

[poshman]

Go and re read my posts. I have condemned Hamas for what they did.

You might want to get the facts clear before making things up about me.

I also condem Netanyahu as he has gone past the point of retaliatory strikes on Hamas and has indiscriminately killed many thousands of innocent women and children.

Oh yeah and then some posters on here quote me and say that they aren't innocent because some of them support Hamas etc

Yeah because Isreal have always cared for and want the best for the people of Palestine. Before, during and one day after the genocide.

At the end of the day I'm clearly right and these pro Isreal biased posters are clearly wrong.

I'll step away now as I don't need to rehash my argument.

Peace

Haha you struggle with basic comprehension. I didn't say anything about you. I asked a question. Therefore, I couldn't have made something up about you.

Which is also hilarious as that is exactly what you did to the poster in the post I quoted. You made up an allegation.

It isn't Israels responsibility to care what is best for the people in Gaza. They need to care for their own people as a primary responsibility.

Oh yes, you being right is being made abundantly more clear with every post... You haven't made an argument is the point. You make rash statements, appeals to authority and then don't answer simple questions and then attack individual posters which is the pattern when someone doesn't know how to argue their position well.

Even in your response your huge bias is showing. 'some support Hamas etc'. No, depending on polling it is 70-80% support Hamas. Which means if there was an election held today they would be elected. Do you deny that?

The pro hamas supporters here (this is accurate as the people in gaza support them 70-80%) keep trying to hide this uncomfortable fact. Hamas has the support of the populace for the October attacks, rapes, murders and hostage taking. Will you acknowledge that?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I also condem Netanyahu as he has gone past the point of retaliatory strikes on Hamas and has indiscriminately killed many thousands of innocent women and children.

It’s not meant as retaliation. It’s meant to retrieve the hostages (still being held but no international demands for their release) and eradicate Hamas who are not an army but a civilian militia, and prevent them from re-forming and attacking Israel “again and again”. Thereby also deterring other groups with like-minded ambitions.

 

[Demons09]

After all these pro Palestinian protests Ive seen none of them come out and call out Hamas, mind boggling really and supported by the left what a joke they are.

 

[King Huskii]

After all these pro Palestinian protests Ive seen none of them come out and call out Hamas, mind boggling really and supported by the left what a joke they are.

Because Hamas won't release hostages Isreal has a right to kill innocent civilians by the 10s of thousands?

Yeah what a joke the far right wing Israeli government are

 

[poshman]

Because Hamas won't release hostages Isreal has a right to kill innocent civilians by the 10s of thousands?

Yeah what a joke the far right wing Israeli government are

Again you are drawing conclusions based on presumption rather than what another poster has said.

Your comment on the Israeli government shows you know very little past the usual social media talking points. The war effort is led by a coalition of parties, and all are in support of the war and the removal of Hamas. The support for the war in Israel last I checked was up there with the support those in Gaza give Hamas.

 

[King Huskii]

Again you are drawing conclusions based on presumption rather than what another poster has said.

Your comment on the Israeli government shows you know very little past the usual social media talking points. The war effort is led by a coalition of parties, and all are in support of the war and the removal of Hamas. The support for the war in Israel last I checked was up there with the support those in Gaza give Hamas.

Yeah ok buddy

You keep dodging the part where genocide has been committed against innocent women and children. That's not social media it's a fact.

The oppression of Palestinians has been going on for many decades prior to the internet. That's a fact.

If you dont recognise that then you choose to be ignorant.

You just got schooled again. It's top easy

 

[poshman]

Yeah ok buddy

You keep dodging the part where genocide has been committed against innocent women and children. That's not social media it's a fact.

The oppression of Palestinians has been going on for many decades prior to the internet. That's a fact.

If you dont recognise that then you choose to be ignorant.

You just got schooled again. It's top easy

Hahahaa you are hilarious. If you ask a direct question I will not dodge it. Go for it.

Unlike you, I will answer questions.

Here is one for you: you support the people in Gaza. They support Hamas and want them in power. Do you support that?

 

[Episode IV]

I don't disagree. Therefore do we both agree that what Israel is doing right now is also wrong?

It entirely depends on why it was done, and how many of your own are saved in the act of killing theirs.

It's one thing to look at the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings one a surface level, for example, and say "oh, that was wrong". Which is what some will do, from their own non-involved perspectives.

Looking at it on another level, there were 200,000 or so civilians who were direct casualties of those two bombs. Allied losses were negligible.
When those numbers are placed within the wider perspective, however, they become a little less important as a prime consideration.
Over 100,000 Japanese civilians were killed (by various means) on Okinawa alone, in one battle. The Americans lost 12,000 (killed - total US casualties amounted to nearly 50,000).
That was just on Okinawa. One little island about the size of Melbourne.

An invasion of the Japanese mainland would have potentially resulted in as many and more civilian casualties. More important, to an allied perspective, it would have cost Allied lives too - by the tens and hundreds of thousands. Some of those "innocent civilians" were hard at work making thousands of tons of WMD's (gas) as well. I don't think that anyone would doubt they wouldn't hesitate to use it, push come to shove. They already had, in China. Yes, mustard gas was used in World War 2.

If I had a choice to not drop the bomb and go in instead (the Russians had declared war on Japan not long before as well), at the cost of my own soldiers as well as theirs, or drop a couple of bombs and have it all over and done with - I know which choice I'd make.
Theirs die... ours don't.

You can't just lump all of these situations together and say "innocent civilians", as if that's the argument in totality. It isn't.
The question of an act being morally wrong only occurs when you're not involved, and it isn't your people at stake. When they are, morality is an afterthought.

 

[Episode IV]

The thought occurs that if the Palestinians really wanted it all to end, all they'd need to do is give up the locations of the missile stockpiles, give up all the non-state fighters involved, tell Israel where the bad guys are hiding, and stop sheltering them.
Maybe even report it when a new shipment comes in.
A total rejection of Hamas and other non-state actors would probably go a long way toward achieving meaningful settlements.
Why don't they just do that?

I asked you a question earlier, Bicco.
Do you think Iron Dome failed on Oct 7th?

 

[King Huskii]

Hahahaa you are hilarious. If you ask a direct question I will not dodge it. Go for it.

Unlike you, I will answer questions.

Here is one for you: you support the people in Gaza. They support Hamas and want them in power. Do you support that?

Hahahaa you are hilarious. If you ask a direct question I will not dodge it. Go for it.

Unlike you, I will answer questions.

Here is one for you: you support the people in Gaza. They support Hamas and want them in power. Do you support that?

You are getting your knickers in a knot because I'm owning you so you come up with a ridiculous statement. That's not a fact. I guess you want to justify genocide like children actually have a say in Hamas.

You now sound extreamly foolish and you know this.

 

[Taylor]

There are children in Palestine taking up arms against Isreal and when they are killed the Palestinian health authority list them as a child killed by soldiers.

There's no way the allies would have taken the home island here in Japan without there being nearly nothing left, including people.

Bunkered down and true total war of the population against the invaders.

War is the story of human kind. It doesn't make it any kinder or right for that to be a fact but welcome back to reality. Maybe power shouldn't be concentrated into too small a group so broad groups can cool heads and we wouldn't have so many people dying.

There's stuff all we can do about it, and this is only one conflict going on at the moment. Big government groups like the UN are full of hot air meanwhile the power nations supply weapons to Israel and aid to Palestine.

 

[Demons09]

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Because Hamas won't release hostages Isreal has a right to kill innocent civilians by the 10s of thousands?

Yeah what a joke the far right wing Israeli government are

Lives in Australia is apparently Australian but shows a Palestinian flag who 70% support what happened on Oct7 well done for showing support for terrorism , our major ally supports Israel gave them 10million in military aid by extension we as a nation support israel.

 

[poshman]

You are getting your knickers in a knot because I'm owning you so you come up with a ridiculous statement. That's not a fact. I guess you want to justify genocide like children actually have a say in Hamas.

You now sound extreamly foolish and you know this.

Again you get personal and don't ask a single question.

 

[poshman]

You are getting your knickers in a knot because I'm owning you so you come up with a ridiculous statement. That's not a fact. I guess you want to justify genocide like children actually have a say in Hamas.

You now sound extreamly foolish and you know this.

Who brought up children having a say in Hamas. The adult population support them and would elect them. Therefore it is reasonable to say that supporting the peoples wishes means supporting Hamas.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

There are plenty of videos showing children have been/are being schooled to support Hamas and see themselves as victims that need to take revenge. That's their life's ambition.

 

[poshman]

Worth a watch if you want to understand the extreme positions of the far left. Every decent leftie should be against this rubbish.

 

[Demons09]

There are plenty of videos showing children have been/are being schooled to support Hamas and see themselves as victims that need to take revenge. That's their life's ambition.

There’s footage of children mocking hostages and kicking them as they get dragged through the streets, the future jihadists in training.

 

[King Huskii]

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Lives in Australia is apparently Australian but shows a Palestinian flag who 70% support what happened on Oct7 well done for showing support for terrorism , our major ally supports Israel gave them 10million in military aid by extension we as a nation support israel.

Lives in Australia and will support anything America does. Palestine isn't a nation of terrorists. Anyone who thinks all Palestinians are terrorists are dull.

 

[King Huskii]

Worth a watch if you want to understand the extreme positions of the far left. Every decent leftie should be against this rubbish.

What posters are far left? Anyone who is left wing you make out they are far left.

I guess you must be far right

 

[poshman]

What posters are far left? Anyone who is left wing you make out they are far left.

I guess you must be far right

Once again you have failed to read a post before replying. Read my post and show me where I said a poster was far left. You followed up poor comprehension with a personal jab, again.

I said it 'is worth a watch if you want to understand the extreme positions of the far left. Every decent leftie should be against this rubbish.

That is clearly talking about the Google employees. Then I said every decent leftie should be against it. So, are you against the re-writing of history according to DEI/marxist ideology?

 

[poshman]

Lives in Australia and will support anything America does. Palestine isn't a nation of terrorists. Anyone who thinks all Palestinians are terrorists are dull.

Again - who said they were all terrorists? Their own polling shows that 70% or more support Hamas, which is a terrorist organisation. Can you see the difference?

It isn't saying they are all terrorists, just that the large majority support a terrorist organisation. Which isn't a glowing reference, but it is different to your claim.

 

[King Huskii]

Again - who said they were all terrorists? Their own polling shows that 70% or more support Hamas, which is a terrorist organisation. Can you see the difference?

It isn't saying they are all terrorists, just that the large majority support a terrorist organisation. Which isn't a glowing reference, but it is different to your claim.

Demons said I support a terrorist nation in Palestine

Once again facts aren't your thing

 

[Demons09]

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Demons said I support a terrorist nation in Palestine

Once again facts aren't your thing

Well they are governed by Hamas which is a Terrorist organisation.