Opinion Which number #1 has provided better value

[OnceKicked50]

A star Centre Half Foward beats a star Half Back Flanker any day.

Hodge just got to play in a better team in his time.

Hodge was the leader of one of the greatest teams in the history of the game. Hodge set standards within that team.

Not potting Roo, but that's too simplistic to say he was in a better team. Gee, Roo played in some damn good teams that are irrelevant in future history...

 

[matt_bas]

Hodge by a mile

 

[X_box_X]

Nothing to add to this thread. The poll results say it all.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Riewoldt by a mile then Hodge then 10 miles to the rest.
Roo is an all-time great of the game. An ornament on and off the ground.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

If you take Hodge out of Hawthorn they still have the likes of Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Lewis etc all leading the way over the last decade. Not to mention Buddy, Rogh and Cyril up forward. They might not win 4 flags (notably 2008) but they still win a couple.

If you take Riewoldt out of the Saints for the last 15 years we don't make either of the 09 or 2010 GF's and we wouldn't have been a kick away in 2004 either so I would say Riewoldt has provided more value to his team but you wouldn't be upset with either player.

A more interesting poll would be the same question WITHOUT Hodge and Riewoldt in contention.

Probably Deledio or Cooney? Goddard could have been captain of 2 clubs so would be rated highly. Jeff White one of the best mobile ruckman.

Much harder call IMO.

Without the two clear leaders it would be Goddard, IMO.

 

[darthbards]

Reiwoldt then Hodge but you could put up a strong case for either. Judd from Hodges draft year would be better than all the others on the list and the equal if not better than Reiwoldt or Hodge.
The poll makes sorry reading for Carlton fans. Three number one picks in a row and the club has gone nowhere and are now rebuilding again.

 

[Damon_3388]

Hodge set standards within that team.

Hodge being overweight and relatively unfit for most of his career is the reason he never became a full-time midfielder and reached his full individual potential.

Yes, he was/is a great leader, and experienced the ultimate team success a number of times over, but from an individual perspective, what should have been his prime years (ages 25-29, 2009-2013) were somewhat of a disappointment for a player of his ability. Just one All-Australian and one B&F during that period, and an average 22.85 disposals per game and 4-5 missed games per season. His early career (the 2005 season in particular, which was also an AA and B&F year in a bottom-three side) indicated that he'd be your 28-30 disposal superstar midfielder in his prime, similar to Judd.

 

[OnceKicked50]

Hodge being overweight and relatively unfit for most of his career is the reason he never became a full-time midfielder and reached his full individual potential.

Yes, he was/is a great leader, and experienced the ultimate team success a number of times over, but from an individual perspective, what should have been his prime years (ages 25-29, 2009-2013) were somewhat of a disappointment for a player of his ability. Just one All-Australian and one B&F during that period, and an average 22.85 disposals per game and 4-5 missed games per season. His early career (the 2005 season in particular, which was also an AA and B&F year in a bottom-three side) indicated that he'd be your 28-30 disposal superstar midfielder in his prime, similar to Judd.

You don't play almost 300 games of AFL football in this era if your overweight and unfit. You certainly cannot be a key driver of standards that lead to four premierships across two playing groups if your not putting in the handwork yourself.

You can't always get your spreadsheet out to get a true understanding of the game. Like Burgoyne, Hodge often played midfield in big games and big moments. I would suggest his midfield minutes, outside of 2008, increased during the finals series. Like Burgoyne, he sacrificed KPMG stats for the teams success. Had Hodge been rolled out to impress the 'super coach' fans then he would certainly have lived up-to the notion of a superstar (edit: who can only be a 30 possession a game mid). However, would the team have had the same success without him playing alongside Mitchell the most important role in the teams structure? Probably not. Would he have outlasted Judd, Ball, DalSanto and Swan if he got his 30? Probably not.

His willingness to play his role within a very, very successful game plan was the reason he sits with 4 medals unlike most of his peers who have 1 or none. But alas, to super coach fans he is just that unfulfilled talent

 

[HumanMeatball]

Hodge he got the hawks flag which stkilda didn't

 

[raskolnikov]

Riewoldt or Hodge

Daylight next

 

[00Stinger]

Reiwolt the best player. Hodge delivered the most for his club

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[El cane]

If you take Hodge out of Hawthorn they still have the likes of Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Lewis etc all leading the way over the last decade. Not to mention Buddy, Rogh and Cyril up forward. They might not win 4 flags (notably 2008) but they still win a couple.

If you take Riewoldt out of the Saints for the last 15 years we don't make either of the 09 or 2010 GF's and we wouldn't have been a kick away in 2004 either so I would say Riewoldt has provided more value to his team but you wouldn't be upset with either player.

A more interesting poll would be the same question WITHOUT Hodge and Riewoldt in contention.

Probably Deledio or Cooney? Goddard could have been captain of 2 clubs so would be rated highly. Jeff White one of the best mobile ruckman.

Much harder call IMO.

Would Tom Boyd's premiership trump Cooney's Brownlow? I can't think of any other No.1 draft picks who've won a flag part from Hodge and Boyd.

 

[Donakebab]

Would Tom Boyd's premiership trump Cooney's Brownlow? I can't think of any other No.1 draft picks who've won a flag part from Hodge and Boyd.

You missed Banfield and Headland. Here's the list of #1 picks who have played in Grand Finals, with Premierships bolded. The run of picks playing in GF's from the 1990's until the early 2000's was amazing, but it really dropped away from there.

1992 - Drew Banfield (1994, 2005, 2006)
1994 - Jeff White (2000)
1996 - Michael Gardiner (2005)
1997 - Travis Johnstone (2000)
1998 - Des Headland (2002)
1999 - Josh Fraser (2002, 2003)
2000 - Nick Riewoldt (2009, 2010)
2001 - Luke Hodge (2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015)
2002 - Brendon Goddard (2009, 2010)
2013 - Tom Boyd (2016)

 

[El cane]

Banfield ahead of Boyd then based on a flag and a decade of reliable service. I don't know where to rank Headland though. White, Fraser and Gardiner were important rucks for a long time, Johnstone never really met high expectation maybe unfairly and well I won't comment on Goddard.

On the gap years we can speculate. Watts and Scully still have a chance. Patton likely with the forecast for GWS. Who knows if Whitfield gets one. Who knows if Gibbs ever moves to get a cup but I don't see Murphy or Kreuzer winning one. Too early to say for McCartin Weitering and McGrath but they all look like good players.