Updated The Bruce Lehrmann Trials Pt2 * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General

LINK TO FEDERAL COURT DEFAMATION PROCEEDINGS

 

[FIGJAM]

Why is she suing a rape victim and not the 'vile trolls' that are making her feel look bad?

She is not suing Higgins the 'rape victim'; she is suing Higgins and Sharaz 'the propagators of a false narrative', who willingly curated data to support their lies and then doubled and tripled down on this myth via social media.

It's OK to criticise Higgins for this. I feel like many think that those of this view are downplaying her primary concern as a rape victim, but that's simply not the case. You can feel empathy for her as the rape victim and criticise her as teller of untruths.

Some randoms on the internet (including in this thread who've used terms like "vile woman" to describe Reynolds) are complete arseholes, but then their posts/tweets don't get on the front pages of newspapers.

There is no equivalence, Reynolds is not a victim of a crime.

If Brown and Reynolds sued Higgins and Network 10 for defamation through telling a demonstrably false story, they would win and win easily. So yes, Brown and Reynolds are the victim of a crime.

 

[Kurve]

If Brown and Reynolds sued Higgins and Network 10 for defamation through telling a demonstrably false story, they would win and win easily. So yes, Brown and Reynolds are the victim of a crime.

Neither are the victim of a crime until or unless criminal charges are laid.

EDIT: Meaning, it is examined as a criminal offence and decided as. ie. There is no criminal offence here.

 

[FIGJAM]

Neither are the victim of a crime until or unless criminal charges are laid.

By your logic, Higgins wasn't a victim of rape until 16 September 2021 when Lehrmann faced criminal charges.

There would be sufficient evidence now for both criminal and civil charges of defamation. But it's political suicide for whoever laid them, so it won't happen.

It does not mean the crime didn't happen.

 

[Kurve]

It's OK to criticise Higgins for this. I feel like many think that those of this view are downplaying her primary concern as a rape victim, but that's simply not the case. You can feel empathy for her as the rape victim and criticise her as teller of untruths.

I don't 'care' about Higgins in that I'm not emotionally invested in protecting her, I don't know her and I understand that rape victims might be someone I wouldn't even like or want to have coffee with. That doesn't mean I'm going to jump out against them with the potential of contributing to making life even harder.

 

[Kurve]

By your logic, Higgins wasn't a victim of rape until 16 September 2021 when Lehrmann faced criminal charges.

For the purpose of my argument and which was the point, there is no way Higgins will be charged with any criminal offence as it relates to Reynolds or Brown.

Because she didn't commit a criminal offence.

 

[jason_recliner]

Linda Reynolds, the real victim in all this.

Linda Reynolds - a victim in this.

 

[Festerz]

There is no equivalence, Reynolds is not a victim of a crime.

And may, in fact, be guilty of a crime herself, having been caught out in making statements under oath that were untrue and may have contributed to the jury in the Lehrmann rape trial being unable to form a unanimous verdict as to his guilt (edit: .., prior to a mistrial being declared due to juror misconduct).

Cracks in Reynolds' Lehrmann trial testimony

Contradictions have appeared in evidence given by Linda Reynolds as to what happened on the night of the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins.

independentaustralia.net

The dark irony here is that Reynolds' false claim under oath during the Lehrmann rape trial that she did not know about Miss Higgins' allegation of Lehrmann being on top of her was uncovered by Senator Reynolds herself during her filmed interview as part of the Seven Network's Spotlight paid interview with Bruce Lehrmann.

There is a strong possibility that Reynolds' evidence, as a Minister of the Crown and Ms Higgins' boss, played a significant role in swaying the jury not to believe Higgins' rape allegation allegation. It was certainly viewed that way by the Lehrmann defence....'why would Ms Higgins not tell her own boss what had happened to her?'

Has Senator Reynolds' apologised to Ms Higgins for her false claims made in the Lehrmann rape trial?

In my view her actions in court and subsequently would seem to me to be a far more heinous offence that any of the misguided (and probably incorrect) social media posts made by Ms Higgins.

Because here we have a young woman having been raped by a fellow Liberal staffer in the Parliamentary Office of a Senior Federal Liberal Minister trying to seek justice against her rapist in a criminal court in the ACT Supreme Court, only to see that Federal Minister/her boss lie under oath to dispute the rape allegations she has bought to court.

It must have been utterly devastating for a victim of rape to see her boss turn into a 'hostile witness' against her - it surely explains the reason why Ms Higgins turned against her former boss subsequently so completely and why she suspected some sort of political cover up at play.

An allegation that, contrary to the disingenuous claims of Reynolds, was not proven false in entirety by the Lee defamation judgement. Just that he found no evidence presented to substantiate such a claim saying it “was objectively short on facts but long on speculation" (and in fairness how could he, given many of the key players involved in the supposed cover-up, including Linda Reynolds herself, were not called to give evidence or cross examined in the defamation trial).

This is in stark contrast to his finding that "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins" in the Parliamentary office of Senator Linda Reynolds after hours.

This is the key finding of truth in Lee's judgement. And one that keeps getting downplayed as is if it were but a side issue by Higgins and her politically motivated supporters.

 

[CM86]

Linda Reynolds, the real victim in all this.

Linda Reynolds says she's been the victim of 'vile trolling' over Brittany Higgins case as defamation trial continues​

In March, Justice Marcus Solomon issued orders for the parties to meet face to face, which saw the pair fly in from France, where they now live, to meet with Senator Reynolds.​

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Mr Sharaz has since indicated, through his lawyers, he doesn't wish to continue to fight Senator Reynolds and is desperate to achieve a settlement.​

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Meanwhile, the court has heard Ms Higgins' mental health is so bad her lawyers were at one point unable to get her instruction to prepare for trial.​

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Is the aim to push Higgins to suicide?
This is so hateful to the point of being evil.

It gives you a pretty good idea of how Reynolds would have treated Higgins, and why Higgins would have felt pressured to drop the claim.


Higgins will never have justice, and so many people just want to twist the knife in her back.

 

[Festerz]

Is Reynolds suing the Finance Minister and the Attorney General?

LOL.

But remember Kurve, Senator Reynolds litigious actions aren't about politics, right?

'Reynolds also said the finance minister, Katy Gallagher, and attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, should accept Lee’s findings in the federal court.'

 

[FIGJAM]

That doesn't mean I'm going to jump out against them with the potential of contributing to making life even harder.

But you're more than willing to "jump out against" Reynolds to "make her life even harder", who didn't ask for any of this, did everything by the book and then had her credibility on this specific matter trashed on national television and then on social media?

There are some strange cases of selective virtue-signalling in here. People seemingly wanting to perpetuate the false conspiracy of a cover up (eg. CCTV, cleaners etc.), downplay its significance and/or trash talk anyone who dares mention it. I reckon it boils down to these motives:

1. An innate need to perpetuate the myth of Higgins "The Truth Teller" and Wilkinson "The Freedom Fighter" because they feel that that narrative signals a higher level of empathy to Higgins the rape victim and / or the broader sphere of sexual abuse and the #metoo and #LetHerSpeak movements;
2. They're an [insert political party here] shill who wants to see the Liberal party burn that badly that they'll willingly spin anything to support their sordid political angle.

 

[FIGJAM]

Has Senator Reynolds' apologised to Ms Higgins for her false claims made in the Lehrmann rape trial?

Has Higgins apologised for her multiple false claims under oath and affidavits?

Reynolds ****ed up an issue on timing. Why this is jumped upon so much is peculiar, but cuts to the core of the poster.

 

[FIGJAM]

In March, Justice Marcus Solomon issued orders for the parties to meet face to face, which saw the pair fly in from France, where they now live, to meet with Senator Reynolds.​

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Mr Sharaz has since indicated, through his lawyers, he doesn't wish to continue to fight Senator Reynolds and is desperate to achieve a settlement.​

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Meanwhile, the court has heard Ms Higgins' mental health is so bad her lawyers were at one point unable to get her instruction to prepare for trial.​

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Is the aim to push Higgins to suicide?
This is so hateful to the point of being evil.

It gives you a pretty good idea of how Reynolds would have treated Higgins, and why Higgins would have felt pressured to drop the claim.

Higgins will never have justice, and so many people just want to twist the knife in her back.

Do you even consider for a second that her mental health might be suffering significantly because she is struggling to come to terms that she (and Sharaz) either consciously or unconsciously or a combination of the two "crafted a narrative accusing others of putting up roadblocks and forcing her two years earlier of having to choose between her career and seeking justice by making and pursuing a complaint"?

 

[DapperDon]

Do you even consider for a second that her mental health might be suffering significantly because she is struggling to come to terms that she (and Sharaz) either consciously or unconsciously or a combination of the two "crafted a narrative accusing others of putting up roadblocks and forcing her two years earlier of having to choose between her career and seeking justice by making and pursuing a complaint"?

For someone so mentally hurt, she sure is keen to keep bringing the tweet back to the media spotlight rather than just let it die.

After Bruce lost and was found to be a rapist, Linda went straight to her media pals and put herself back in the papers over a deleted tweet 2 years ago. This isn't about her feelings, it's about BH being raped in her office and that made her look bad and lost her seat in Parliament. Not once has she condemmed Bruce, all she does is keep dragging Bh over the coals, again and again.

It's pure evil.

 

[MPMonkeys]

There is no equivalence, Reynolds is not a victim of a crime.

Maybe not but being falsely accused of basically aiding and abetting a rapist is not something that anyone should wish on their worst enemy.

The fact that people still believe this tripe just shows how much she has been defamed.

 

[Lady O]

For someone so mentally hurt, she sure is keen to keep bringing the tweet back to the media spotlight rather than just let it die.

After Bruce lost and was found to be a rapist, Linda went straight to her media pals and put herself back in the papers over a deleted tweet 2 years ago. This isn't about her feelings, it's about BH being raped in her office and that made her look bad and lost her seat in Parliament. Not once has she condemmed Bruce, all she does is keep dragging Bh over the coals, again and again.

It's pure evil.

You only have to read on this forum to see how much damage to her reputation was caused by Higgins/Sharaz false accusations.

 

[MPMonkeys]

For someone so mentally hurt, she sure is keen to keep bringing the tweet back to the media spotlight rather than just let it die.

After Bruce lost and was found to be a rapist, Linda went straight to her media pals and put herself back in the papers over a deleted tweet 2 years ago. This isn't about her feelings, it's about BH being raped in her office and that made her look bad and lost her seat in Parliament. Not once has she condemmed Bruce, all she does is keep dragging Bh over the coals, again and again.

It's pure evil.

That is utter nonsense.
She has condemmed BL

And what has the location got to do with it?
The implication seemingly is that Reynolds gave BL a nod and a wink to use her office for his activities. If it happened at BL's home, would you be casting aspersions on his land-lord?
Of course not.

 

[MPMonkeys]

For the purpose of my argument and which was the point, there is no way Higgins will be charged with any criminal offence as it relates to Reynolds or Brown.

Because she didn't commit a criminal offence.

Whilst I agree she will never be charged, Lee did find that Higgins testimony was sketchy at best and downright lies at worst.

 

[FIGJAM]

For someone so mentally hurt, she sure is keen to keep bringing the tweet back to the media spotlight rather than just let it die.

After Bruce lost and was found to be a rapist, Linda went straight to her media pals and put herself back in the papers over a deleted tweet 2 years ago. This isn't about her feelings, it's about BH being raped in her office and that made her look bad and lost her seat in Parliament. Not once has she condemmed Bruce, all she does is keep dragging Bh over the coals, again and again.

It's pure evil.

"Pure evil"?

I know I don't want to be the one to initiate Godwin's law here, but is someone who's demonstrably had false allegations made about them and is basically just wanting a rejigged act of contrition really engaging in "pure evil"??

 

[FIGJAM]

EDIT: Meaning, it is examined as a criminal offence and decided as. ie. There is no criminal offence here.

I'd imagine that criminal charges of defamation are extremely rare. And they won't happen against a rape victim.

But if Brown and Reynolds launched civil action against Higgins and 10, they would win and that would be for the crime of defamation.

 

[CM86]

For someone so mentally hurt, she sure is keen to keep bringing the tweet back to the media spotlight rather than just let it die.

After Bruce lost and was found to be a rapist, Linda went straight to her media pals and put herself back in the papers over a deleted tweet 2 years ago. This isn't about her feelings, it's about BH being raped in her office and that made her look bad and lost her seat in Parliament. Not once has she condemmed Bruce, all she does is keep dragging Bh over the coals, again and again.

It's pure evil.

Have to beat Higgins down until there is no fight left.
Somehow after everything she's been through, she still isn't completely broken.

The only way to ensure she never attempts a criminal conviction against her rapist again, is to completely destroy her.

It's why the media plastered photos of her new home in a different country, everywhere.
To show her that she will never escape, and to fuel the hate and deaththreats from their unhinged audience.

As soon as Justice Lee found she was raped, the media was straight into how much money she 'stole' from the 'tax payer'.


Some of these people will not be happy until she's dead.
And even then some of them won't give up. Reynolds would go after her pets next, if she had any.

 

[DapperDon]

"Pure evil"?

I know I don't want to be the one to initiate Godwin's law here, but is someone who's demonstrably had false allegations made about them and is basically just wanting a rejigged act of contrition really engaging in "pure evil"??

So pure evil can only mean nazi's?

 

[jason_recliner]

Have to beat Higgins down until there is no fight left.
Somehow after everything she's been through, she still isn't completely broken.

The only way to ensure she never attempts a criminal conviction against her rapist again, is to completely destroy her.

It's why the media plastered photos of her new home in a different country, everywhere.
To show her that she will never escape, and to fuel the hate and deaththreats from their unhinged audience.

As soon as Justice Lee found she was raped, the media was straight into how much money she 'stole' from the 'tax payer'.


Some of these people will not be happy until she's dead.
And even then some of them won't give up. Reynolds would go after her pets next, if she had any.

Yeah. Nah.

 

[DapperDon]

That is utter nonsense.
She has condemmed BL

And what has the location got to do with it?
The implication seemingly is that Reynolds gave BL a nod and a wink to use her office for his activities. If it happened at BL's home, would you be casting aspersions on his land-lord?
Of course not.

The location has nothing to do with it, but it still made her look bad in the media and public and she seems to put all that blame on the 'lying cow'.

 

[FIGJAM]

So pure evil can only mean nazi's?

Haha! You mentioned them first!!

But of course it doesn't mean the extreme, but your statement is obviously extreme in it's own right. Reynolds has stated multiple times that she just wants a ****en apology.

I'm struggling to work out why that is so difficult, let alone it being "evil", let alone it being "pure evil".

 

[CM86]

The location has nothing to do with it, but it still made her look bad in the media and public and she seems to put all that blame on the 'lying cow'.

Fires Lehrmann right away, and pretends it's for a much older incident.
Calls Higgins into the office she was literally raped in.
Lies in court.
Attacks Higgins verbally over time.
Sends her husband in to spy on proceedings.
Contacts and directs the lawyers during the criminal trial.
Sues Higgins for 2 insignificant posts that were deleted.
Higgins even made a statement saying basically that she was wrong to make statements without enough foundational evidence.
The only reasons Reynolds is even being talked about today, is because of her continued harassment of Higgins. But somehow it's all the rape victims fault.


And Australia has been tricked into calling for justice AGAINST Higgins... while Higgins will never get justice... Even if she survives the next few years of attacks on her.