MRP / Trib. Seb Ross on Sam Durham

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Plugger35 said:
Why does a player need to be suspended just because another player got concussed?

It wasn't a dangerous tackle, just because Durham got concussed doesn't make it one, players getting hurt in tackles is part of the game.
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Sicily got 2 weeks for a tackle which got him a free and had him bring McCluggage down on top of him which is what the AFL recommended at the time.

But in this case there were 3 separate head contacts so how would they know which caused the concussion.

Like Chol and May last week. May collided with Chol in the mark but Chol also landed square on his ribs.
 
Redman hurt no one with his jumper punch
Yet got the 1 will suspension. He needs to learn that he can just go the gut punch and that's fine

Anyone who makes contact to the head might have a few tough nights sleep
 
HairyO said:
Sicily got 2 weeks for a tackle which got him a free and had him bring McCluggage down on top of him which is what the AFL recommended at the time.

But in this case there were 3 separate head contacts so how would they know which caused the concussion.

Like Chol and May last week. May collided with Chol in the mark but Chol also landed square on his ribs.
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Sicily got 3 weeks, not 2.

I don't want someone suspended for it, but consistency says he should go, given they haven't changed the rule.

Sicily had brockman come over the top too
 
Mitchell Madness said:
Sicily got 3 weeks, not 2.

I don't want someone suspended for it, but consistency says he should go, given they haven't changed the rule.

Sicily had brockman come over the top too
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There was no slinging action with this tackle though unlike Sicily's tackle which I assume is why he got suspended but he was still unlucky.
 

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HairyO said:
But in this case there were 3 separate head contacts so how would they know which caused the concussion.
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It doesn’t actually matter. The rules are quite clear that if you initiate a bump or tackle, you’re responsible for the outcome - no matter if you hit directly, or the player hits the ground, or whatever.


(B) IMPACT
Consideration will also be given as to whether the Impact is Low, Medium,
High or Severe. In determining the level of Impact, regard will be had
to several factors.

Consideration will be given to the extent of force and in particular,
any injury sustained by the Player who was offended against.
The absence of injury does not preclude the classification of
impact as Severe.

The potential to cause injury must also be factored into the
determination of Impact, particularly in the following cases:

  • Intentional strikes, such as those with a swinging clenched fist,
  • raised forearm or elbow;
  • High bumps, particularly with significant head contact
  • and/or Player momentum;
  • Any head-high contact with a Player who has his head over the ball,
  • particularly when contact is made from an opponent approaching
  • from a front-on position;
  • Forceful swings that make head-high contact to a Player
  • in a marking contest, ruck contest or when tackling;
  • Any contact that occurs when the Victim Player should not
  • reasonably be expecting or is not reasonably prepared for
  • contact (i.e. contact off the ball); and
  • Any dangerous tackle.
In the case of any intentional strike, strong consideration will be given
to the distance the incident occurs from the ball and the expectation
of contact of the Victim Player.

Consideration will also be given not only to the impact between the
offending Player and the Victim Player, but also any other impact to the
Victim Player as a result of such impact. By way of an example, where a
Victim Player as a result of the impact from the offending Player is pushed
into the path of a fast-moving third Player, the impact to the Victim Player
may be classified as High or Severe, even though the level of impact between
the offending Player and the Victim Player was only Low or Medium.

In addition, consideration will be given to the body language of the offending
Player in terms of flexing, turning, raising or positioning the body to either
increase or reduce the force of impact.

It should be noted that Low Impact is the minimum impact required for
a Classifiable Reportable Offence and this requires more than just a
negligible impact. The MRO may however consider the potential to cause
injury to upgrade Impact from negligible to a higher level of Impact.

(C) CONTACT

The MRO will consider whether Contact to the Victim Player was High/to
the Groin or to the Body. In the interests of protecting the health and
welfare of Players, sanctions for head-high contact and contact to the
groin will be more severe.

High contact is not limited to contact to the head and includes contact
to the top of the shoulders.

A classification of High contact may apply for a Careless or Intentional
Dangerous Tackle (refer section 4.3(e)(3) below) which has the potential
for injury to be caused through dangerous high contact with the ground
but where high contact does not actually occur.

Contact to the Groin includes contact to the crease or hollow at the
junction of the inner part of each thigh with the trunk together with
the adjacent region and including the testicles.

Where contact is both High and to the Body, the MRO will usually
classify the contact as High.

Contact shall be classified as High or to the Groin where a Player’s head
or groin makes contact with another Player or object such as the fence or
the ground as a result of the actions of the offending Player.

By way of example, should a Player tackle another Player around the waist
and, as a result of the tackle, the tackled Player’s head made forceful contact
with the fence or the ground, the contact in these circumstances would be
classified as High, even though the tackle was to the body.

However, the MRO has the discretion to grade contact as Body contact rather than
High contact where the Body impact would result in a more significant sanction
 
Bunk Moreland said:
It doesn’t actually matter. The rules are quite clear that if you initiate a bump or tackle, you’re responsible for the outcome - no matter if you hit directly, or the player hits the ground, or whatever.


(B) IMPACT
Consideration will also be given as to whether the Impact is Low, Medium,
High or Severe. In determining the level of Impact, regard will be had
to several factors.

Consideration will be given to the extent of force and in particular,
any injury sustained by the Player who was offended against.
The absence of injury does not preclude the classification of
impact as Severe.

The potential to cause injury must also be factored into the
determination of Impact, particularly in the following cases:

  • Intentional strikes, such as those with a swinging clenched fist,
  • raised forearm or elbow;
  • High bumps, particularly with significant head contact
  • and/or Player momentum;
  • Any head-high contact with a Player who has his head over the ball,
  • particularly when contact is made from an opponent approaching
  • from a front-on position;
  • Forceful swings that make head-high contact to a Player
  • in a marking contest, ruck contest or when tackling;
  • Any contact that occurs when the Victim Player should not
  • reasonably be expecting or is not reasonably prepared for
  • contact (i.e. contact off the ball); and
  • Any dangerous tackle.
In the case of any intentional strike, strong consideration will be given
to the distance the incident occurs from the ball and the expectation
of contact of the Victim Player.

Consideration will also be given not only to the impact between the
offending Player and the Victim Player, but also any other impact to the
Victim Player as a result of such impact. By way of an example, where a
Victim Player as a result of the impact from the offending Player is pushed
into the path of a fast-moving third Player, the impact to the Victim Player
may be classified as High or Severe, even though the level of impact between
the offending Player and the Victim Player was only Low or Medium.

In addition, consideration will be given to the body language of the offending
Player in terms of flexing, turning, raising or positioning the body to either
increase or reduce the force of impact.

It should be noted that Low Impact is the minimum impact required for
a Classifiable Reportable Offence and this requires more than just a
negligible impact. The MRO may however consider the potential to cause
injury to upgrade Impact from negligible to a higher level of Impact.

(C) CONTACT

The MRO will consider whether Contact to the Victim Player was High/to
the Groin or to the Body. In the interests of protecting the health and
welfare of Players, sanctions for head-high contact and contact to the
groin will be more severe.

High contact is not limited to contact to the head and includes contact
to the top of the shoulders.

A classification of High contact may apply for a Careless or Intentional
Dangerous Tackle (refer section 4.3(e)(3) below) which has the potential
for injury to be caused through dangerous high contact with the ground
but where high contact does not actually occur.

Contact to the Groin includes contact to the crease or hollow at the
junction of the inner part of each thigh with the trunk together with
the adjacent region and including the testicles.

Where contact is both High and to the Body, the MRO will usually
classify the contact as High.

Contact shall be classified as High or to the Groin where a Player’s head
or groin makes contact with another Player or object such as the fence or
the ground as a result of the actions of the offending Player.

By way of example, should a Player tackle another Player around the waist
and, as a result of the tackle, the tackled Player’s head made forceful contact
with the fence or the ground, the contact in these circumstances would be
classified as High, even though the tackle was to the body.

However, the MRO has the discretion to grade contact as Body contact rather than
High contact where the Body impact would result in a more significant sanction
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Of course it matters if either of the 2 earlier head hits caused the concussion.
 
Don't mind the consistency.
 
Plugger35 said:
Why does a player need to be suspended just because another player got concussed?

It wasn't a dangerous tackle, just because Durham got concussed doesn't make it one, players getting hurt in tackles is part of the game.
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main reason Durham was concussed is because he refused to release the ball and folded like a deck of cards
 
tropicaltiger said:
main reason Durham was concussed is because he refused to release the ball and folded like a deck of cards
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Durham headbutted Ross to draw a high free which the umpire rightly ignored. Then another Saint clipped Durham's head on the way through.

Then Ross took him high in his tackle but rolled Durham which reduced the risk. There isnt much more Ross could have done after Durham dropped his head into him.

Maybe the Essendon doctor can have a word with Durham about not initiating dangerous contact.
 
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