Opinion Politics (warning, may contain political views you disagree with)

[poshman]

A far right government who is lead by a warmonger who is gifted weapons by the USA. Isreal have been controlling the Palestinian people for many decades and try to claim Palestinians as terrorists.

Has caused genocide and refused aid to innocent civilians. Regets cease fires. Even ignores warnings from the USA

Gifted weapons? That is an oversimplification of the situation.

We know since October 7th, Billions have been sent to Israel and gaza. I think 25% more to Israel from the US than they sent to Gaza.

Israel, like every nation that borders Gaza believes the Islamic Brotherhood to be too extreme. The other nations that border Gaza don't let them across the border. Israel was allowing it for work. Why won't Muslim nations allow them into their nations? I haven't heard you criticise them. Why is that? So is it Israel that controls them? As much as the other nations surrounding them. We know Hamas is not allowing aid, food etc to through to the people. Would you not say it was Hamas who controls them? Then Israel and the other nations who influence the situation?

When it comes to the politics in Israel. There are those who get mad that an Arab cannot become a full citizen in Israel. Do they get as mad that non Arabs cannot become citizens, have complete ownerships of businesses and other restrictions in Muslim nations? Looking for some consistency or logical answer.

Of all the warnings given by the USA to Hamas or Israel, who do you think has ignored the USA more? Given you are using that as a point of argument.

Where does defence start and war crimes begin?

I’m not sure Israel eradicating 40k people, and obliterating the infrastructure for 2 million people is quite the right thing to do tbh

This is a good question and could be a solid conversation if people were committed to having it. There are lots of questions for both sides. We know that what the governing body in Hamas did on October 7 was a war crime.

40k - where does that number come from? Hamas? Obliterating their infrastructure? Has not Hamas done that themselves to build rockets?

Another good question would be if they are at war, which we are told they are, targeting infrastructure is a common tactic. I am not saying it is a good tactic, but it is a tactic of war.

Hamas are the voted in governing body in Gaza. They organised and executed an act of war. Will they surrender?

These are all questions to add to the very fair questions you have asked.

Careful, you'll have Poshman, Square Peg, Demons, Episode IV, and co justifying Isreal at all costs in a moment.

Here you are - preemptively getting personal again.

This is not directly related to what you are saying but many pro Isreal misunderstand pro Palestine is not pro Hamas. It's actually quite the opposite

Except you criticise Israel about 100x more than you do Hamas. Give a list of all the things Hamas has done wrong and I will start to believe this.

One more question - the people who are pro Palestine chant 'from the river to the sea'. What does that mean?

If the ALP declared war on another nation and we started to lose the war, but the ALP still had 75% + support and would be re-elected. Would we consider there to be a difference between the ALP and the Australian people?

Lets see if you and others can interact without personal nonsense.

 

[poshman]

You are putting words into my mouth. Once again Hamas are a terrorist organisation. The Israeli government is a terrorist organisation too that get away with it because of USAs' undivided support for global political reasons and the powerful elite Israeli Americans who pull the strings.

That sounds very conspiracy theory of you.

Hamas are the elected body in the region and would be re-elected today. Can someone tell me how it is possible to reconcile that with the idea that there is a vast difference here? And why there is little to know criticism of Hamas here.

 

[poshman]

No one will answer that specific question. They sidestep into history. Or are you saying the reason they don’t surrender, give back the hostages and save their own people’s lives is because “history”? What then is Hamas’s main aim?

People refuse to answer this clearly.

 

[King Huskii]

That sounds very conspiracy theory of you.

Hamas are the elected body in the region and would be re-elected today. Can someone tell me how it is possible to reconcile that with the idea that there is a vast difference here? And why there is little to know criticism of Hamas here.

I have criticised them. You are being disingenuous.

We get it you are blindly pro Isreal.

I predicted you would chirp up as soon as Lach correctly commented on the war.

 

[King Huskii]

People refuse to answer this clearly.

Rubbish posters don't.

You refuse to answer why you support an Israeli government that is also a terrorist organisation

 

[poshman]

Displacing people en masse to make way for settlement of others for no good reason other than them following the wrong religion or being the wrong ethnicity is just s**t. And denying them citizenship.

As far as the activism over Palestine and Israel is concerned, like a lot of popular political discourse in the West over the last decade the worst people get attracted to it.

I agree with your last sentence. However it is also unhelpful or can be used in a way to say anyone who wants to discuss it are the 'worst people'.

I own businesses in Muslim nations. Technically. I have to pay a recognised Muslim to be an advisor in each of those countries. This was when I lived there and now. When I lived in those nations I was never allowed to become a citizen. Do you think that is wrong?


Why is the charter of Hamas to kill all Jews? Is that them being treated poorly for having the wrong ethnicity or following the wrong religion?

 

[poshman]

I have criticised them. You are being disingenuous.

We get it you are blindly pro Isreal.

I predicted you would chirp up as soon as Lach correctly commented on the war.

You have barely said a thing against them. You still don't.

And I have asked Lach some questions about his statements, some of which I said were fair. Which means I am not blindly pro Israel. Read it again mate.

 

[King Huskii]

I agree with your last sentence. However it is also unhelpful or can be used in a way to say anyone who wants to discuss it are the 'worst people'.

I own businesses in Muslim nations. Technically. I have to pay a recognised Muslim to be an advisor in each of those countries. This was when I lived there and now. When I lived in those nations I was never allowed to become a citizen. Do you think that is wrong?


Why is the charter of Hamas to kill all Jews? Is that them being treated poorly for having the wrong ethnicity or following the wrong religion?

Prior to Hamas being in power which is only recent over the history of Palestine have you always supported the persecution of Palestinians?

 

[King Huskii]

You have barely said a thing against them. You still don't.

And I have asked Lach some questions about his statements, some of which I said were fair. Which means I am not blindly pro Israel. Read it again mate.

I just did and have all along stated I don't support Hamas. You really are making things up. Go back and re read. Very very disingenuous of you.

 

[King Huskii]

I'll leave it there. Poshman once again making things up to support his narrative and as usual so often wrong.

 

[Demons09]

Lol Husky your elected government is an ally of the USA if s**t gets real in the middle east Australia will back who ever USA sides with, now that bullshit you’ keep sprouting about genocide i can’t find any evidence of Israel being convicted of war crimes, whilst Hamas is on the list of known terrorists, i’ve got no sympathy for a population that voted in an supports terrorist, yes children have been killed no doubt you’ve seen videos of children in Gaza spitting and dancing over corpses of Israeli hostages.

 

[poshman]

Rubbish posters don't.

You refuse to answer why you support an Israeli government that is also a terrorist organisation

They are not a Terrorist organisation and by definition are not. You get so caught up trying to win, you ignore definitions and it undermines your position and the ability to discuss issues.

I do not support the Israeli government. I have worked in the middle east, lived there for a time and done charity work in many countries of the middle east and ancient near east. I have paid bribes to help dig wells in Muslim nations, paid bribes and seen local volunteers beaten for building hospices and trying to get money/resources directly to families when the local leaders wanted to control resources.

This is a universal problem in many of these nations. And others out of the region. We tried to send resources to Zimbabwe recently to help them rebuild farms that had been destroyed and stripped of resources. As soon as conflicting groups found out the farms were rebuilding they claimed them again, and when the crop ran out they burnt everything down.

When it comes to aspects of aid, charity and working in these nations there were three out of 24 I have worked in that helped facilitate resource to other nations without bribery and wanting a cut. Israel, the Muslim leadership in Johor Bahru (regional not nation) and Cambodia didn;t want $4 or get inthe way of supply for extra $$.

So, having seen some inner workings in these places and having some experience trying to help their people, I think far higher of the Muslim leadership in Johor Bahru than the leadership in Northern Africa or Zimbabwe for example. And I think better of Israel in this regard than other nations who would threaten, block and bribe aid and resources to their own people.

 

[poshman]

Prior to Hamas being in power which is only recent over the history of Palestine have you always supported the persecution of Palestinians?

I don't support the persecution of any person anywhere at any time. So then we need to look into definitions and the flow on effects of democracy or where there isn't democracy, authoritarian states.

Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt don't want to take responsibility for Gaza. They think they are too extreme and will destroy/disrupt the peace.

There are no easy answers here. Especially when the people of Gaza would re-elect and support Hamas. Until that changes what can happen?

 

[poshman]

I just did and have all along stated I don't support Hamas. You really are making things up. Go back and re read. Very very disingenuous of you.

I acknowledged you state you don't support Hamas. I am saying I have not seen you criticise them. And while you very regularly criticise Israel, even abandoning definitions to do so, I rarely see you directly criticise Hamas.

They are still holding hostages. Who have if they are alive (doubtful) would have lived through horrors. The people support Hamas and would re-elect them. Think about that. Then tell me how they can move forward?

 

[poshman]

Just the graphic nature of it…not that I necessarily agree it was graphic in itself.

For instance, is it necessary to see the blood spurting and the guts spilling to get the essence across on what was happening?

People will say, what about 9/11 etc…agree, still brutal, but slightly different.

I’m just wondering what’s acceptable? I wouldn’t necessarily expect that channel 7 news would be allowed graphic gore on the 6pm news…but it can appear in your stream on X?

I’m also uncomfortable with the way pornbots are appearing on X…not against pr0n, per se, but at least make it so kids aren’t exposed on what is essentially an info sharing site

These are all great questions.

I think there should be guidelines or barriers to what people who are not adults can and cannot see.

I also think there should never be someone charged with stopping misinformation, those things are two very different things.

There are a large number of things in the last 8 years that were called misinformation that we now know are true. I want smaller government and less influential government, not larger government.

If our Esafety commissioner declares something as misinformation, the poster is seen as a conspiracy theorist, demonitised or just as bad, not allowed speech in that instance. And then it is found to be true. What should the penalty be?

I think it should be so harsh and prohibitive that any action taken is done with so much care that it rarely happens. I would prefer it never happens and we let community notes inform people on X. They do are far better of job of being impartial and accurate than the government could ever do.

 

[poshman]

I don't know much about this journo/commentator but this thread is interesting and concerning if what he is saying is correct. I have checked and the footage is up on larger news sites. Are they just wanting it censored from independent or citizens?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Rubbish posters don't.

You refuse to answer why you support an Israeli government that is also a terrorist organisation

Loaded question . Who declared Israel a terrorist organisation? The UN?

I support Israel’s right to do whatever they have to not to be exterminated.
The Israeli government is a matter for the Israeli people. They are are a democracy. Sure, they’ve made mistakes; mistakes, sometimes terrible ones, happen in wars.

But deliberately sacrificing their people is the genocide Hamas are committing.

 

[Taylor]

It should come as no surprise to you that the US intelligence services that are not able to legally use the technology and methods of surveillance they develop at home give them to their allies to spy on the US people as a work around.

The same thing can be happening with X and Australia. If Australia can require X remove content worldwide then governments can again have the access to the largest information distribution machine ever without the complications of people being able to present an alternative or actively discredit.

Any idea why the American we parachuted into the powerful position ended up there?

 

[poshman]

It should come as no surprise to you that the US intelligence services that are not able to legally use the technology and methods of surveillance they develop at home give them to their allies to spy on the US people as a work around.

The same thing can be happening with X and Australia. If Australia can require X remove content worldwide then governments can again have the access to the largest information distribution machine ever without the complications of people being able to present an alternative or actively discredit.

Any idea why the American we parachuted into the powerful position ended up there?

They also pay for it to happen. By giving Israel money that has to be spent with US defence companies.

 

[CM86]

We know Google skews search results by the millions to left leaning ideology.

I do appreciate your reply.

Can I ask for an example of this, because I feel that we may have fundamentally different perspectives on this topic, based on our ideologies.

What's your best example, or a collection of examples that show that Google skews results to 'left' ideology?

 

[CM86]

I can't reply to your post for some reason Kram

Thanks for the article. As I mentioned a little while ago, I don't think rates will be dropping any time soon and there is a chance of an increase. The gov providing a budget that isn't full of wild spending will be unpopular but needed.

Rent inflation is harsh.

If there is no text in the post itself, it won't show you the post you're replying to.
But the poster will still receive the notification.

 

[poshman]

I do appreciate your reply.

Can I ask for an example of this, because I feel that we may have fundamentally different perspectives on this topic, based on our ideologies.

What's your best example, or a collection of examples that show that Google skews results to 'left' ideology?

I am up holding an unwell little one atm - but will come back to you with an article that I bookmarked about this later/tomorrow depending on what happens here. Feel free to prompt me if you like.

Appreciate the reply.

 

[Taylor]

If you type in "can males menstruate" it gives you an excerpt answer before any search results saying effectively yes, without saying males menstruate.

That there are many genders is a left leaning position.

 

[CM86]

Well we've seen on the news the footage of the boy walking up to the priest, and then it stops. To me that's not some crazy level of censorship. And I'm not 100% sure why anyone would want that footage of the actual stabbing being readily available. If the government was calling government for a media blackout of the whole thing, that to me would be real censorship.

Thank you! Amazing post and such a great way to encourage engagement!
I went about it in the wrong way with my post.

The context is important in this case.
But it's complicated and many might not be able to understand it.

 

[CM86]

I am up holding an unwell little one atm - but will come back to you with an article that I bookmarked about this later/tomorrow depending on what happens here. Feel free to prompt me if you like.

Appreciate the reply.

Not a problem at all!

I think there are plenty of areas of common ground.
It's more in terms of like 'they hide the truth about vaccines' etc.