If the State of Emergency in Victoria is extended 12 months as planned....

[Sttew]

This will give the Andrews Government unfettered power to impose whatever rules it wants. AFL will be a casualty. Why would anyone buy a Club membership when there is so much uncertainty?

 

[iameviljez]

This will give the Andrews Government unfettered power to impose whatever rules it wants. AFL will be a casualty. Why would anyone buy a Club membership when there is so much uncertainty?

It gives the CMO extraordinary powers, not Dan Andrews. In my understanding, anyway.

Don't know exactly what practical difference it will make anyway - every state in the country has made it clear that if there's a Corona outbreak, nobody is going to live sport.

 

[Sttew]

It gives the CMO extraordinary powers, not Dan Andrews. In my understanding, anyway.

Don't know exactly what practical difference it will make anyway - every state in the country has made it clear that if there's a Corona outbreak, nobody is going to live sport.

And who appoints the CMO?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Surely the point of extending the State of Emergency is, if needed, the laws that may be required (eg the mandatory wearing of masks) can be passed with a minimum of fuss. The Andrews Government would want the AFL up and running as soon as possible, as well as any other business.

The insinuation that the Andrews Government (any government for that matter) would use the pandemic to stifle business (particularly the AFL) is asinine.

 

[iameviljez]

And who appoints the CMO?

DHHS. Which is, yes, a branch overseen by government, but this isn’t the Governor General or anything that is ratified via parliament.

 

[Sttew]

Surely the point of extending the State of Emergency is, if needed, the laws that may be required (eg the mandatory wearing of masks) can be passed with a minimum of fuss. The Andrews Government would want the AFL up and running as soon as possible, as well as any other business.

The insinuation that the Andrews Government (any government for that matter) would use the pandemic to stifle business (particularly the AFL) is asinine.

I think we have learnt enough lessons to find a better solution. 90+% of deaths have been in Aged Care in VIC, so we put in place measures to ensure it doesn't happen again in that sector. We know certain areas and industries are hot spots while others are not. Instead of Police going to cemeteries and counting the number of mourners, or going to farmers markets and fining couples for being out together, why don't they focus their attention on the Victorians who have tested positive and make sure they do the right thing?

I don't think the Andrews government has thought it through. You say stifling business is not what they are looking to achieve, but Andrews has said, "We've got to protect public health, there can be no economic rebuilding until we fix this problem." What part of "no economic rebuilding" is not stifling? Why would a company looking to invest in Australia consider Victoria over, say QLD or NSW, when there is uncertainty. What happens when JobKeeper is scaled back? How much longer can small businesses hang on? For how long can we home school students?

 

[manicmagpie]

FFS, the legislation is not mandating a 12 month extension, it's changing the maximum length of any such State of Emergency from the current 6 month limit.

Also, the only real alternative for the government if there isn't an extension granted is to maintain a State of Disaster (with carries much greater powers) for longer than would otherwise be necessary. Otherwise they don't even have a legal basis to compel infectious people to isolate etc, which would not be a good thing to happen.

 

[manicmagpie]

It's horrifying to constantly see how easily disinformation spreads. The number of people on both traditional and social media platforms who immediately started screaming about the lockdown being extended for another year when nothing of the sort has been proposed was truly depressing.

Of course, many of those were actively seeking to create the confusion in the first place.

 

[HTT]

It's not planned to be extended for 12 months. It will certainly be extended beyond September 2020 and may go for another 12 months, certainly, but all that's really happened is the Victorian government has the same rights as every other state government when it comes to controlling coronavirus.

In other states you can have a state emergency continue indefinitely but in Victoria for whatever reason the limit has been 6 months.

Also, state of emergency =/= lockdown. We were still in a state of emergency in May and June when we didn't have stay at home orders.

 

[The 747]

It's horrifying to constantly see how easily disinformation spreads. The number of people on both traditional and social media platforms who immediately started screaming about the lockdown being extended for another year when nothing of the sort has been proposed was truly depressing.

Of course, many of those were actively seeking to create the confusion in the first place.

It is odd that most people on the planet now have ready access to all the facts relating to any situation in their hand yet they seem to be growing collectively dumber by the year.

 

[Tjblues]

It is odd that most people on the planet now have ready access to all the facts relating to any situation in their hand yet they seem to be growing collectively dumber by the year.

It’s understandable when the vast majority of mainstream media in Australia is controlled by everyone’s favourite billionaire Rupert. Rest assured if Dan was a liberal premier we wouldn’t even know that cases came from hotel quarantine, and this would be brushed off for what it is, a common sense request

 

[The 747]

It’s understandable when the vast majority of mainstream media in Australia is controlled by everyone’s favourite billionaire Rupert. Rest assured if Dan was a liberal premier we wouldn’t even know that cases came from hotel quarantine, and this would be brushed off for what it is, a common sense request

Without wanting to get into the politics of it, there is a pretty obvious agenda at work. When I talk to people from interstate (regularly) their perception what Victoria is like is quite distorted by what the media says.

 

[manicmagpie]

Without wanting to get into the politics of it, there is a pretty obvious agenda at work. When I talk to people from interstate (regularly) their perception what Victoria is like is quite distorted by what the media says.

If you believe Rupert we were all effectively in lockdown prior to all this anyway as we were all too scared to go out because of all those African gangs terrorising us.

 

[The 747]

If you believe Rupert we were all effectively in lockdown prior to all this anyway as we were all too scared to go out because of all those African gangs terrorising us.

Reminds me of the poor bloke who ran for the Libs in my electorate last time. He (I would guess was directed to) ran social media ads with the tagline (I kid you not) "Crime is out of control in Albert Park!"

 

[Sttew]

Without wanting to get into the politics of it, there is a pretty obvious agenda at work. When I talk to people from interstate (regularly) their perception what Victoria is like is quite distorted by what the media says.

Out of curiosity, what is the agenda to which you allude?

 

[The 747]

Out of curiosity, what is the agenda to which you allude?

The Murdoch press running a right wing narrative and against left wing governments.

 

[telsor]

It gives the CMO extraordinary powers, not Dan Andrews. In my understanding, anyway.

Don't know exactly what practical difference it will make anyway - every state in the country has made it clear that if there's a Corona outbreak, nobody is going to live sport.

" the Minister may, on the advice of the Chief Health Officer and after consultation with the Minister and the Emergency Management Commissioner "

 

[telsor]

The Murdoch press running a right wing narrative and against left wing governments.

Regardless of which government is in power, don't you think it's a worry that they extend powers that are supposed to be short term just to avoid having to face Parliament?

Emergency powers are supposed to be incident response...Allowing immediate action to a crisis.
For longer term problems (or if the crisis continues), governments are meant to go to Parliament and debate/determine legislation to deal with the issue(s).

6 months of avoiding parliament is WRONG.

nb. This isn't (well, shouldn't be) a political issue. The principle applies equally to the Federal government which hasn't sat for a similar length of time, but is less of an immediate issue as they don't have the same kind of powers, and aren't seeking to extend them.


It's a simple point...In a Democracy, the representatives of the people (Parliament) should meet frequently to discuss the issues of the day.

 

[Pessimistic]

Openly challenged by Jeff kennett who as Hawks president legislated for maximum terms for presidents, vacated the role then came back.

Is Jeff a power hungry Hawthorn President?

It seems other states and commonwealth govt don't need to do it, so the constitutional laws of victoria provide more safeguards it seems.

edit so Dan was voted down, do we think he'll go on a massive hissy fit like Scomo did over the medevac bill?

 

[Pessimistic]

Regardless of which government is in power, don't you think it's a worry that they extend powers that are supposed to be short term just to avoid having to face Parliament?

Emergency powers are supposed to be incident response...Allowing immediate action to a crisis.
For longer term problems (or if the crisis continues), governments are meant to go to Parliament and debate/determine legislation to deal with the issue(s).

6 months of avoiding parliament is WRONG.

nb. This isn't (well, shouldn't be) a political issue. The principle applies equally to the Federal government which hasn't sat for a similar length of time, but is less of an immediate issue as they don't have the same kind of powers, and aren't seeking to extend them.


It's a simple point...In a Democracy, the representatives of the people (Parliament) should meet frequently to discuss the issues of the day.

We are prisoners on this island thanks to the federal government. 3 of every 4 applications to leave are blocked. No accountability, just keep quietly extending the ban.

 

[The Final Word]

Reminds me of the poor bloke who ran for the Libs in my electorate last time. He (I would guess was directed to) ran social media ads with the tagline (I kid you not) "Crime is out of control in Albert Park!"

Was this before or after Lachie Hunter went on his rampage?

 

[The 747]

Regardless of which government is in power, don't you think it's a worry that they extend powers that are supposed to be short term just to avoid having to face Parliament?

Emergency powers are supposed to be incident response...Allowing immediate action to a crisis.
For longer term problems (or if the crisis continues), governments are meant to go to Parliament and debate/determine legislation to deal with the issue(s).

6 months of avoiding parliament is WRONG.

nb. This isn't (well, shouldn't be) a political issue. The principle applies equally to the Federal government which hasn't sat for a similar length of time, but is less of an immediate issue as they don't have the same kind of powers, and aren't seeking to extend them.


It's a simple point...In a Democracy, the representatives of the people (Parliament) should meet frequently to discuss the issues of the day.

The level of power that governments all over the world have taken in the past 20 years is a huge concern yes - and the same goes for the People's Republic of Victoria, even more so considering how morally and legally questionable the enforcing body (VicPol) is.

The Federal Government is far more concerning than the state government with the powers it has granted itself, for example preventing us from leaving the country as Pessimistic has noted, or the terrorism laws which allow you to be detained without reason, without a lawyer and be jailed if you talk about it. However those sailed by without much protest whereas anything the Andrews government is a threat to our alleged democracy.

The larger concern is that people take their talking points from an evidently biased media and have little idea of what the facts actually are, and increasingly as we see in the US, believe things that are completely false to be true.

 

[Jane Doe]

Openly challenged by Jeff kennett who as Hawks president legislated for maximum terms for presidents, vacated the role then came back.

Is Jeff a power hungry Hawthorn President?

It seems other states and commonwealth govt don't need to do it, so the constitutional laws of victoria provide more safeguards it seems.

edit so Dan was voted down, do we think he'll go on a massive hissy fit like Scomo did over the medevac bill?

We were a basket case at the time when Kennett was asked back. We appointed the wrong CEO and the president at the time was out of his depth

 

[workhorse]

This will give the Andrews Government unfettered power to impose whatever rules it wants. AFL will be a casualty. Why would anyone buy a Club membership when there is so much uncertainty?

Western Australia is currently in a State of Emergency so no, AFL will not be a casualty if the VIC SoE is extended.

Perhaps people could do a bit of research before blindly consuming Herald Sun, Sky News, Channel 7 et al headlines.

 

[telsor]

We are prisoners on this island thanks to the federal government. 3 of every 4 applications to leave are blocked. No accountability, just keep quietly extending the ban.

The more I look at it, the more I think the result of this is that we need a bill of rights enshrined in the constitution to protect us from both parties and their continual erosion of our liberties.