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Domestic Violence Epidemic
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They are taught in school.
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The responder is not necessarily coming from the station, they might be a few blocks away on patrol. Set the bracelet to ping when 5-10 minutes away from the victim (where practicable) - it might not stop every PoS but it will stop a lot of them.
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We might start to see some benefits from it then
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Unfortunately I don't think so, at least not as much benefit as we need. I think kids mostly develop how they relate to family and partners at home rather than school. It's largely an intergenerational cycle that we can't educate ourselves out of IMO.
(not for one second suggesting it shouldn't be in the curriculum)
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Lots of men are feeling uncomfortable about Australia's gendered violence conversation. They should be
... One rally attendee told the ABC she had been unable to convince her husband and son to come. They had decided it was a "women's issue".
Others may see themselves as modern men, but privately they pointed out violent crime "statistics are actually going down".
There are the men who are quick to point out that men have been murdered this year too, without twigging that in most cases they're also killed by men.
Whether deliberate or not, they're dismissing this as an issue that shouldn't be absorbing so much national attention, let alone prompting an emergency national cabinet meeting...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05...ortable-australia-domestic-violence/103794380
His step daughter has pulled a knife on him twice when they have tried to talk about it with her.
She wants to be with him.
Men might stop dismissing it when Females stop saying "It's all men"
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Good point
This is another thing I can’t get my head around with my wife’s work , they are reliant on grants and run on the smell of an oily rag .
Their contracts are 6-12 months and they never know when their funding will be withdrawn, it’s disgraceful.
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Well I bet the defence lawyer on this case must be feeling real proud of themselves while they are sipping Chardonnay in their beach house in Dunsborough
'This has got to stop’: Judge’s message to man sentenced to four years’ jail over domestic violence assault — ABC News
In short: Aaron Leyton Wumi has been sentenced to four years' jail for attacking his girlfriend in Perth's CBD. Known as Nyaparu, the 24 year-old later died from a heart attack not related to the injuries caused by Wumi. What's next? Wumi will be eligible to apply for parole after serving half...
Sorry but you missed my point by a mile .
The justice system is suposed to be there to protect “the people” , all the people .
Helping criminals who are clearly guilty get off or get more lenient sentences is not helping the people
Maybe the one part we do agree on is that the justice system needs to be changed
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'It's not as if we don't know the solution': Experts call for more action and less reports on domestic violence
Only 40 per cent of more than 100 recommendations made by a team investigating NSW domestic violence deaths, which publish a report every two years, have been implemented so far.
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Well I bet the defence lawyer on this case must be feeling real proud of themselves while they are sipping Chardonnay in their beach house in Dunsborough
'This has got to stop’: Judge’s message to man sentenced to four years’ jail over domestic violence assault — ABC News
In short: Aaron Leyton Wumi has been sentenced to four years' jail for attacking his girlfriend in Perth's CBD. Known as Nyaparu, the 24 year-old later died from a heart attack not related to the injuries caused by Wumi. What's next? Wumi will be eligible to apply for parole after serving half...apple.news
Sorry but you missed my point by a mile .
The justice system is suposed to be there to protect “the people” , all the people .
Helping criminals who are clearly guilty get off or get more lenient sentences is not helping the people
Maybe the one part we do agree on is that the justice system needs to be changed
We do agree on the system needing to be changed to protect people.
Defence lawyers can often be pretty scummy sorts with no conscience, to an extent you probably need that to do their job. But it's a pretty key part of the legal system that lawyers are obliged to act in the best interest of their client, nothing else. If it was any different we'd see it used against the poor and powerless all the time.
If we don't want repeat offenders getting out on bail; remove the option, make it significantly harder, or apply (effective) restrictions in some way that will limit the risk to the community, or all of the above.
A defence lawyer arguing for bail is simply doing the job they should be doing, the onus on them isn't to do anything other than represent their client. Not act in the best interest of someone else's client.
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The Australian media again showing it has no social conscience.
This time it's the ABC who thought it was a good idea to seek out Barnaby feckin Joyce to give his two cents on domestic violence and to lecture Australia on 'proper family households'.
The same Barnaby Joyce who opposed the free provision of a cervical cancer vaccine to young women, saying it could give them a "licence to be promiscuous".
(He didn't need a vaccine to philander btw)
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This time it's the ABC who thought it was a good idea to seek out Barnaby feckin Joyce to give his two cents on domestic violence and to lecture Australia on 'proper family households'.
The same Barnaby Joyce who opposed the free provision of a cervical cancer vaccine to young women, saying it could give them a "licence to be promiscuous".
(He didn't need a vaccine to philander btw)
Barnaby Joyce's other betrayal
Joyce said: "Don't you dare put something out there that gives my 12-year-old daughter a licence to be promiscuous."
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The Australian media again showing it has no social conscience.
This time it's the ABC who thought it was a good idea to seek out Barnaby feckin Joyce to give his two cents on domestic violence and to lecture Australia on 'proper family households'.
The same Barnaby Joyce who opposed the free provision of a cervical cancer vaccine to young women, saying it could give them a "licence to be promiscuous".
(He didn't need a vaccine to philander btw)
Barnaby Joyce's other betrayal
Joyce said: "Don't you dare put something out there that gives my 12-year-old daughter a licence to be promiscuous."
He's correct. Boys who grow up in homes where the father and mother treat each other with love and respect, and the boys aren't exposed to violent pr0n, are far less likely to be violent towards women.
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Spare me this nonsense:
If any inroads are to be made, it's going to require a coalition of men who not just acknowledge the problem but create a culture that calls out sexist and misogynistic behaviour that so often serves as a precursor to violence.
It’s empty rhetoric, the vast majority already despise misogony and the violent minority aren’t listening to the “conversation”.
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No fan of waleed aly but his article today in the age on the topic makes some good points imo.
It's not even a conversation at times.
It's a lecture.
Best way to get guys of all ages to tune out.
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We can generalize perpetrators. Men. I have no issue with this.
We can generalize victims. Women. I have no issue with this.
We can further generalize victims. Aboriginal Women. They are are up to 45% more likely to be victims. https://www.ombudsman.wa.gov.au/Pub...DVROs/FDVROs-6-Aboriginal-family-violence.pdf. I have no issue with this.
So how about we start further generalizing the perpetrators? Who are the people making Aboriginal women 45% more likely to be victims of DV?
We know so much about poor childhood leads to adult perpetrators.
But god forbid you take Indigenous boys out of bad homes.
So many of the people screaming the loudest about violence against women epidemic are the same people that would scream loudest about giving young boys from bad homes a better homelife opportunity. Yet thats a clear and reasonable solution to reduce this problem.
We can generalize victims. Women. I have no issue with this.
We can further generalize victims. Aboriginal Women. They are are up to 45% more likely to be victims. https://www.ombudsman.wa.gov.au/Pub...DVROs/FDVROs-6-Aboriginal-family-violence.pdf. I have no issue with this.
So how about we start further generalizing the perpetrators? Who are the people making Aboriginal women 45% more likely to be victims of DV?
We know so much about poor childhood leads to adult perpetrators.
But god forbid you take Indigenous boys out of bad homes.
So many of the people screaming the loudest about violence against women epidemic are the same people that would scream loudest about giving young boys from bad homes a better homelife opportunity. Yet thats a clear and reasonable solution to reduce this problem.
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Generally speaking, if a incident is happening report it.
In addition to that the best thing to is contact a DV service for information on how to best support someone going through DV as each situation/safety risk is different.
I’m not downplaying this but aren’t murders of females at their lowest levels ever.
There has been an increase in 2024 compared to 2023 but that ignores the fact that murder rates have been trending down for the last 30 years.
All murders are bad but it’s over simplistic to say we have a crisis now. It’s far from it, if you look at the raw data.
Any mathematician would look at the numbers and say 2024 is an outlier and not a trend.
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There has been an increase in 2024 compared to 2023 but that ignores the fact that murder rates have been trending down for the last 30 years.
All murders are bad but it’s over simplistic to say we have a crisis now. It’s far from it, if you look at the raw data.
Any mathematician would look at the numbers and say 2024 is an outlier and not a trend.
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What shits me most about the “respect” angle isn’t the possible outcomes. It’s not as though teaching people to have more respect will have negative outcomes.
It’s that it ignores so many issues that we KNOW about, and we can address RIGHT NOW, if we had any politicians who were interested in change or reform.
- Alcohol
- Pornography, which is a mainstream depiction of violence against women portrayed as fun
- The escalation of violence - if our judicial system started treating all violence seriously, perhaps some of worst outcomes could be prevented
- Technology that allows the tracking of known violent people, yet our politicians just ignore
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Exactly.
Transforming social norms is important but it's not going to solve this issue.
Low levels of education are a known risk factor for both perpetrators, and victims of sexual violence. This is a fact. Poor educational outcomes are a result of social and economic barriers: a lack of social infrastructure, restricted access to social welfare, drug and alcohol abuse, lack of healthcare etc.
Yet Centrelink offices are empty of staff, schools are underfunded, front-line services are running on fumes.
And in the meantime, we have a judicial system completely out of step with community expectations.
Cultural change is already happening, let's focus on the important stuff.
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In the other thread on the main board someone mentioned a very poor joke they’ve heard in the workplace about a woman with black eyes
What sort of culture and group would let that go? That’s an example of misogyny in the workplace
Someone feels comfortable enough or thinks it’s normal enough to use that sort of joke.
If those sorts of “jokes” are said in male dominated environments , I hope someone calls it out and lets the person know they’re a misogynist dick
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Domestic violence services have been 'shouting into the void' for funding, but say it feels like no-one has listened
A shelter north of Sydney says the number of vulnerable women and children who need their service has tripled in the past three years, but funding hasn't kept up with demand, writes Lia Harris.
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Collingwood coach Craig McRae gives powerful speech against gender-based violence
After Collingwood pulled off another thrilling win, Magpies coach Craig McRae opened his press conference to declare "enough is enough" as the AFL condemns gender-based violence.
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None that I've ever been a part of. Absolutely nothing like that would pass in any workplace I've been in over my entire lifetime so I frankly don't believe it's true.
It's not even a funny gag. I don't believe it.
