Astronomy Black Holes v White Holes

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Just finished my latest revisiting of Hawking's ABHO Time...

The term "white hole" is mentioned very briefly in one part, as a phenomenon which spews out matter, in opposition to the very common term "black hole", which sucks it in...

I haven't heard this angle said anywhere before though, and was wondering if there are any eggheads out there who have seen someone expound better on this than I'm about to, Friday Night Bourbon in hand as I sit next to my 3yo in her bed waiting for her to nod off...

We know of black holes as objects which attract all nearby matter and energy, powerful enough to prevent light from escaping and strong enough to compress all atomic structures down to packed particles. Noone knows what's inside, or if the hole goes anywhere, or what it will eventually do...

We also theorise that spacetime began with the BB, a store of completely dense matter and energy which rapidly exploded, turned itself into atoms and created our universe, expanding until a theorised time when it all contracts again and it's all over...

I'm imagining white holes to be the counterbalance to the black hole. Once matter and energy is drawn into the black hole, time and space cease to exist, and on the "other side", the white hole sits there, as the precursor to the BB did, outside actual time and space, ready to be the explosion that creates another universe...the matter that is used to create this universe comes from the stockpile the black hole behind it creates, until maybe it reaches a critical point or the universe on the BH side collapses or a combination of both. Would it require the entire initial universe to collapse, or could it kickstart its new universe off from just the material surrounding itself...one universe spawning countless others, which spawn countless more, all operating on their own timeframes, and maybe doing it all so very differently...? We calculate the mass of the universe from detectable energy and matter, meaning you would need an entire universe's raw material to create another one, otherwise they would just keep getting smaller, but we also understand the concept of dark matter, which bulks things up a bit...could this black hole also be stockpiling material from another undetectable source which we know nothing of, which then helps a new universe start to the same relative dimensions if this one (if such things need any consistency)...?

Ok...she's snoring, and in a minute I'll be drinking and dumbing things down around here via coverage of the footy...any thoughts on these ramblings? Have I mentioned something different here, or has someone already done this in depth? It does seem a little obvious...
 
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Black holes are the proof that we will never fully understand the true nature of the universe. The universe has, as Shrek put it so succinctly, "layers". Everytime that we think that we understand what's going on - we will always come across a phenomenon that challenges this understanding.
 

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Black holes are the proof that we will never fully understand the true nature of the universe. The universe has, as Shrek put it so succinctly, "layers". Everytime that we think that we understand what's going on - we will always come across a phenomenon that challenges this understanding.

but aliens will never come here cause its too far away
 

i was agreeing with you, sorry for the poor wording

indeed - proof that we will never fully understand the true nature of the universe

this is why, IMHO, it is silly for people to say aliens wont come to earth

how the hell would you know what aliens or alien space ships could do...
 
Black holes don't exist - Physicist claims "proof" Black holes do not exist, Big Bang wrong



"Black Holes Can Never Come into Being" --New Theory Forces Scientists to Rethink Whether Big Bang Ever Happened
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/...

There Are No Such Things As Black Holes
http://www.universetoday.com/114802/t...

Physics professor says she has proof that black holes don't exist
http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/2...

UNC professor says black holes can't exist
http://www.wncn.com/story/26606303/un...

Big Bangs and Black Holes

http://www.feandft.com/big-bangs-and-black-holes/




 
With this theory, we've now got some documented phenomena throughout the observable universe which apparently can't exist...

What are black holes then, or more accurately, are they really there...?
 
There are no white holes that we can observe so the big bang is generally considered one
With this theory, we've now got some documented phenomena throughout the observable universe which apparently can't exist...

What are black holes then, or more accurately, are they really there...?
Well if they aren't then there's something invisible and massive at the centre of galaxies and we can measure this by it's gravitational affects, black holes are the unbackable favourite here given the evidence
 

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Black holes don't exist - Physicist claims "proof" Black holes do not exist, Big Bang wrong



"Black Holes Can Never Come into Being" --New Theory Forces Scientists to Rethink Whether Big Bang Ever Happened
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/...

There Are No Such Things As Black Holes
http://www.universetoday.com/114802/t...

Physics professor says she has proof that black holes don't exist
http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/2...

UNC professor says black holes can't exist
http://www.wncn.com/story/26606303/un...

Big Bangs and Black Holes

http://www.feandft.com/big-bangs-and-black-holes/

Sorry, the boffins just took a 'picture' of one in the centre of the galaxy M87, a massive galaxy in the Virgo galaxy cluster 55 million light-years away. Its mass is 6.5 billion times that of the Sun! https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/04/this-is-the-first-photo-of-a-black-hole/

As for white holes, I suspect they are a unicorn. Still it's a big universe.
 
The scale of the universe is scary. Sagittarius A* weighs in at 4 million solar masses, and crams it into an area smaller than Mercury's orbit around the Sun.
 

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