List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[brad cooper]

Context- there will only be 50 odd taken in the draft, with the rest by rookie upgrades.

If 5-7 of those are academy and f/s or NGA that means only low 40s in a weak year.

I now picks “shuffle back” but if the points used to match are almost after where clubs are going to stop picking…. It makes late picks worthless.

So long winded way of saying the points for picks exceed past where picks will actually be used on draftees.

didn't realise the draft was so shallow this year. hoping we get 2 picks in before cleary using our later picks to match

 

[Adnico26Parker]

That's not really a surprise, he was last man standing and they sure didn't interview anyone else. He'll be missed.

More big changes coming, this time off field.

 

[Ticky009]

More big changes coming, this time off field.

Assistant coaches market has been very active this year. Keen to see who we get in. I'm wondering if Mattner wants to come back

 

[tombomb]

Every player who has toured the swans facilities has joined us, so I think Adams is a lock. He approached us.

Pies supporters think we will give them pick 11, and they pay his full salary in 2024, plus some pick swaps.

Yeah, I don't think any of that is true.

 

[Ticky009]

didn't realise the draft was so shallow this year. hoping we get 2 picks in before cleary using our later picks to match

Started off a 'super draft' but has fizzled into a weak one the more the year went on.

 

[Bandicoot]

The Suns currently have 9 selections in the draft although the last three of those are of little use from a points perspective. We assume they will take the dogs picks 10 & 17 for their current pick 4 taking it to 10 picks. With some here saying you are only allowed the same number of picks as you have available spots on your main list, why is it that they have only delisted 3 players.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

My mail is Pyke has accepted Eagles CEO position.

Love that for Mike.

First Canadian AFL CEO?

 

[TheMase]

Started off a 'super draft' but has fizzled into a weak one the more the year went on.

Seems like that happens most years

 

[Adnico26Parker]

So do we think the Stephens deal will go through tomorrow, on day 1?

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

So do we think the Stephens deal will go through tomorrow, on day 1?

Depends where both clubs are at i expect it to be done within 1-2 days unless either side is being difficult.

 

[KingV23]

Love that for Mike.

First Canadian AFL CEO?

Don Pyke, isnt it?

 

[Borgan]

Will be interesting to see if we do loo at having Parker spend more time forward next year. I still think he was playing hurt this year. He regularly looked like he was in discomfort. Even if that was the case, it's all the more reason to ease his workload a bit. The longer his body is up to playing AFL, even as a forward, the better for us to state the obvious.

Great thing is that we know Parker and adams are both very effective playing forward, I think you could only play 1 of them on the ball at a time for longer periods as they are abit slower.

I think the mix in the center would be 1 of adams/Parker as the old bull providing leadership and grunt, 1 of rowbottom/sheldrick as more of a contested extractor that can also be defensive if needed, and 1 of chad/Errol as the outside receiver providing the run and carry. Add in Mills once he’s back and papley for short bursts and that’s a lot of depth that complements each other well

 

[FreeAgent1]

The Suns currently have 9 selections in the draft although the last three of those are of little use from a points perspective. We assume they will take the dogs picks 10 & 17 for their current pick 4 taking it to 10 picks. With some here saying you are only allowed the same number of picks as you have available spots on your main list, why is it that they have only delisted 3 players.

We will trade like a future 4th to suns for some of their picks in 50s/60s that they can’t use list spot wise for points

 

[FreeAgent1]

Assistant coaches market has been very active this year. Keen to see who we get in. I'm wondering if Mattner wants to come back

I heard there was whispers of Stuart Dew coming back if Don left….

 

[Borgan]

Looking at this through the lens of opposition supporters, are the swans panicking with these picks;

1. Grundy - a desperate need, older and is he the type of ruckman who will win us a premiership? Big contract for an aging ruckman.
2. James Jordon - good age profile and can play midfield or wing. Comes from winning culture and swans fan. I hope we haven't overpaid for him.
3. Hamling - reports he was offered 1 year rookie contract from Freo and possibly considering retirement, has chronic ankle issues, older too and hasn't played much seniors past few years. Hopefully not Brand MKII
4. Adams - 31 next year, $1.1m salary next year and body is failing him. Slow, not a great kick, but has some mongrel about him which we need and leadership. Would Dow have been the safer option, cheaper with more upside? Will cost us a decent pick to get Adams also for 2-3 years of service only.

It's possible 3 and 4 don't play much footy for the Swans with constant injuries. 1 and 2 should be good gets but you never know. It's all about risk vs reward. Hopefully our medicals we conduct are thorough.

Personaly I like we are being aggressive, It's better to try than do nothing like 2022 recruiting. Time will tell.

Hamling has shown he’s a proven afl level defender when healthy, has just missed a lot of footy due to his ankle
Injury, whereas I’d say Brand never really established himself at the level.

Freo fans saying Hamling was outstanding this year for peel/Freo and played 23 games. I think he’s a great pickup especially when you compare how much other kpd’s are costing

 

[Punts]

Any more news on adams?

 

[tombomb]

The Suns currently have 9 selections in the draft although the last three of those are of little use from a points perspective. We assume they will take the dogs picks 10 & 17 for their current pick 4 taking it to 10 picks. With some here saying you are only allowed the same number of picks as you have available spots on your main list, why is it that they have only delisted 3 players.

Basically for the purposes of the draft, delisted and uncontracted are the same thing.

It is all about open list spots, which then correlates to the number of selections you take to the draft.

 

[brad cooper]

Any more news on adams?

On ABC Perth yesterday Mitch Cleary was saying the swans have offered a 3 year deal to him, not sure how he knows this but that's what he was saying.

 

[lazy77]

Why are we only trading in 30+ year olds? Grundy, Hamling, Adams. The only one who's younger (Jordon) seems to be a Ryan Clarke

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replacement with a limited upside.

And I'll admit I've barely heard of him before, but Hamling seems a very strange get. A 31 year old defender with chronic injury issues who has only played a handful of games in the last 5 years. Really weird.

 

[SSwans2011]

Why are we only trading in 30+ year olds? Grundy, Hamling, Adams. The only one who's younger (Jordon) seems to be a Ryan Clarke replacement with a limited upside.

And I'll admit I've barely heard of him before, but Hamling seems a very strange get. A 31 year old defender with chronic injury issues who has only played a handful of games in the last 5 years. Really weird.

Why not? We're loading up for a Premiership tilt, it makes more sense to bring in experienced players rather than more youth.

Grundy and Adams especially are opportunistic and pretty obvious gets for a team in a flag window.

 

[Punts]

On ABC Perth yesterday Mitch Cleary was saying the swans have offered a 3 year deal to him, not sure how he knows this but that's what he was saying.

Thanks mate

 

[FreeAgent1]

Why are we only trading in 30+ year olds? Grundy, Hamling, Adams. The only one who's younger (Jordon) seems to be a Ryan Clarke replacement with a limited upside.

And I'll admit I've barely heard of him before, but Hamling seems a very strange get. A 31 year old defender with chronic injury issues who has only played a handful of games in the last 5 years. Really weird.

Also list composition. We are too young

 

[lazy77]

Why not? We're loading up for a Premiership tilt, it makes more sense to bring in experienced players rather than more youth.

Grundy and Adams especially are opportunistic and pretty obvious gets for a team in a flag window.

Sure, but I'd be more comfortable if they were like 27 or something. At least we could count on them for a few years. 30 tends to be the beginning of the end for most AFL footballers. Very few improve at that age.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Why are we only trading in 30+ year olds? Grundy, Hamling, Adams. The only one who's younger (Jordon) seems to be a Ryan Clarke replacement with a limited upside.

And I'll admit I've barely heard of him before, but Hamling seems a very strange get. A 31 year old defender with chronic injury issues who has only played a handful of games in the last 5 years. Really weird.

I read last week that Geelong won last years flag with the oldest list, Collingwood won this year's with the third oldest.
Perhaps the club has realised that perhaps a few old heads will help guide and steady the younger players when the going gets tough.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Sure, but I'd be more comfortable if they were like 27 or something. At least we could count on them for a few years. 30 tends to be the beginning of the end for most AFL footballers. Very few improve at that age.

Hamling has fewer miles on the clock, courtesy of an ankle issue which is apparently all good now.