BigFooty Official 2012 BigFooty Phantom Draft - The Trial Run

[Chris25]

It's on again...

It's that time of year again where we get together some of the best junior footy and state league watchers to act as recruiters ahead of this years National Draft. As always there will be a bit of ‘foxing’ going on before the actual Phantom Draft which will happen after final lists are finalised. And who doesn't love looking back at these trial runs, and seeing where players are ranked prior to the combine.

Kick off

The draft will start on Monday the 23rd of July, as once again GWS kick it off.

Join in

The thread is one of the biggest hits every year and we love the comments from people who know particular players and want to comment or ask questions. But just remember it's a really subjective thing and we dont want comments that aren't constructive. These participants dont profess to be experts, but watch enough to have some knowledge about what they're talking about.

To the participants

Most of you will know by now. We don't want to be waiting around too long, so if you have to PM either myself or Snoop your selection. And try to get the descriptions done as soon as possible, so things stay in some sort of order.

And just who is participating this year? We have some old, and some new participants this time around. Victoria and WA have a strong showing, so it will be interesting to see those recruiters fight it out for their players. While I'll be doing my best to make SA proud.

Adelaide - Thunderstruck
Brisbane - Quigley
Carlton - beowulf
Collingwood - Knightmare
Essendon - Foj1
Fremantle - Chris25
Geelong - Ysaye
GWS Giants - SnoopDog
Gold Coast Suns - Offsider
Hawthorn - Swannies
Melbourne - Humble Minion
North Melbourne - AS211
Port Adelaide - Toadvine
Richmond - TFL
St Kilda - Monocle
Sydney Swans - Raymann
West Coast Eagles - Royal Eagle
Western Bulldogs - Yoda

 

[Chris25]

Draft Order

We'll be using the ladder as of Monday. So, for now...

Round 1

1. GWS - Lachie Whitfield
2. Gold Coast - Sam Mayes
3. Melbourne - Jack Viney
4. Melbourne - Brodie Grundy
5. Bulldogs - Oliver Wines
6. Bulldogs - Jonathon O'Rourke
7. Port Adelaide - Jimmy Toumpas
8. Brisbane - Dayle Garlett
9. Richmond - Ben Kennedy
10. Carlton - Lachie Plowman
11. St Kilda - Mason Shaw
12. Fremantle - Jake Stringer
13. Melbourne - Jackson Macrae
14. North Melbourne - Troy Menzel
15. Geelong - Nick Vlastuin
16. Essendon - Joe Daniher
17. West Coast - Tanner Smith
18. Collingwood - Kristian Jaksch
19. Hawthorn - Taylor Garner
20. Adelaide - Jed Anderson
21. GWS - Josh Simpson
22. Sydney - Sam Colquhoun
23. Brisbane - Nick Rodda

Round 2

24. GWS - Matthew Haynes
25. Gold Coast - Tim O'Brien
26. Melbourne - Tom Temay
27. Bulldogs - Laine Wilkins
28. Port Adelaide - Jason Pongracic
29. Richmond - Rory Atkins
30. Brisbane - Marco Paparone
31. Richmond - Sam Lowrie
32. Carlton - Andrew Boston
33. St Kilda - Alex Howson
34. Fremantle - Dominic Barry
35. North Melbourne - Dylan Clarke
36. Geelong - Dean Kent
37. Essendon - Jesse Lonergan
38. West Coast - Adam Carter
39. Collingwood - Tom Clurey
40. Hawthorn - Tom Lee
41. Adelaide - Matthew Wallis
42. Sydney - Nathan Wright

Round 3

43. GWS - Max Duffy
44. Gold Coast - Matthew McDonough
45. Melbourne - Liam McBean
46. Bulldogs - Jake Calvert
47. Bulldogs - Aidan Corr
48. Port Adelaide - Shannon Taylor
49. Brisbane - Tim Membrey
50. Richmond - Tim Sumner
51. Carlton - Jackson Thurlow
52. St Kilda - Brant Colledge
53. Fremantle - Tim Broomhead
54. North Melbourne - Sam Heavyside
55. Geelong - Shane Nelson
56. Essendon - Anthony Tipungwuti
57. West Coast - Emmanual Irra
58. Collingwood - Harley Montgomery
59. Hawthorn - Aaron Luccon
60. Adelaide - Jarrad Lienert
61. Sydney - Jordan Bourke

Round 4

62. GWS - Nathan Hrovat
63. Gold Coast - Todd McKay
64. Melbourne - Nicholas Graham
65. Bulldogs - James Stewart
66. Port Adelaide - Khan Haretuku
67. Brisbane - Chris Yarran
68. Richmond - Marvin Warrell
69. Carlton - Michael Close
70. St Kilda - Cameron Banfield
71. Fremantle - Tasman Fitzgerald
72. North Melbourne - Freddie Clutterbuck
73. Geelong - Nathan Stark
74. Essendon - Kamydn McIntosh
75. West Coast - Harrison Marsh
76. Collingwood - Sean Lynch
77. Hawthorn - Brodie Murdoch
78. Adelaide - Jack Hannath
79. Sydney - Matt Rennie

Round 5

80. GWS - Oliver Johnson
81. Gold Coast - Clay Cameron
82. Melbourne - Brian Coleman Broome
83. Bulldogs - PASS
84. Port Adelaide - Kyle Martin
85. Brisbane - Andrew Stokes
86. Richmond - Jackson Coleman
87. Carlton - Josh Scott
88. St Kilda - PASS
89. Fremantle - Cameron Wohling
90. North Melbourne - Clancee Wheeler
91. Geelong - Tom Tyquin
92. Essendon - Matthew Dick
93. West Coast - PASSS
94. Collingwood - Darcy Fort
95. Hawthorn - PASS
96. Adelaide - Paul Marschall
97. Sydney - Lachie Hunter

Round 6

98. GWS - Liam Byrne
99. Gold Coast- James Ives
100. Melbourne - Spencer White
101. Bulldogs - PASS
102. Port Adelaide - Jacob Ballard
103. Brisbane - Kenny Ong
104. Richmond - Ian McGivillray
105. Carlton - PASS
106. St Kilda - PASS
107. Fremantle - William Falland
108. North Melbourne - Kyle Hartigan
109. Geelong - Mason Wood
110. Essendon - PASS
111. West Coast - PASS
112. Collingwood - Craig Moller
113. Hawthorn - PASS
114. Adelaide - Mason Middleton
115. Sydney - Lewis Pierce

Round 7

116. GWS - Ben Ross
117. Gold Coast - PASS
118. Melbourne - Sam Critchley
119. Bulldogs - PASS
120. Port Adelaide - Jake Neade
121. Brisbane - Jermaine Wardle
122. Richmond - Allir Allir
123. Carlton - PASS
124. St Kilda - PASS
125. Fremantle - Dale Wallam
126. North Melbourne -PASS
127. Geelong - Jake McKenzie
128. Essendon - PASS
129. West Coast - PASS
130. Collingwood - Leigh Osborne
131. Hawthorn - PASS
132. Adelaide - Luke Habel
133. Sydney - Tim McGennis

 

[Chris25]

And we're all set for our kick off tomorrow.

Good luck to everyone. The big question is, who will use their first round pick on a complete nobody? And how long will it take BigFooty to climb on board of that bandwagon?

 

[tigs2010]

Looking forward to taking an hour to read one of Quigley's write ups.

Banking you to pick up a no name SA player Chris25

 

[No1Suspect]

Quigley and Snoop? Whitness protection maybe... Been awfully quiet!

 

[Quigley]

I haven't started writing anything up yet so all the write ups for my picks will be done off the cuff. Unlikely then that they will be too long.

It's going to be interesting to see who gets thrown up that I haven't really considered yet. This is a needs year for the Lions which is a bit of a shame as there are few guys out there would I wouldn't mind taking a punt on in the second and third rounds.

 

[Snoop Dog]

# 1 - GWS Giants

Lachlan Whitfield - Dandenony Stingrays / 184 / 75

Must admit i did ponder this one for a bit as the glaring whole in the Giants list is a decent young ruck prospect and whilst we have Downie it wouldn't to have the best ruck prospect I reckon I have seen in years. But alas I go with Whitlfield because he is just an unbelievable young player. Seen a lot of him over last few years and I don't think I have ever left unimpressed. His approach to footy, work rate, endurance, skill level are all first class. Has the magic ability as well like Pendles to just have that extra little bit of time to make the right decision. I reckon a great trait in the really good players is also how they bring others into the game and Lachie does this as well. He creates space and opportunity for his teammates and that will be a real asset at GWS as they develop.

With a midfield group of Shiel, Coniglio, Greene and now Lachie and a couple of kids like Cameron and Patton up the front its not going to be long before the men from the mountain hoist the premiership flag at Skoda!

 

[Quigley]

Hard not to be impressed with Whitfield. Anyone know why he spent so much time up forward at the Champs? Maybe to give the other Country mids a chance but I did think it hurt their chances overall.

Anyway does Offsider put in a bid for Viney at number 2? I probably would. Viney is just the type of player that GC need although it is a fraction high.

 

[Offsider]

Before I take my pick what are the rules with bidding on father son prospects?

 

[Snoop Dog]

Before I take my pick what are the rules with bidding on father son prospects?

Mentioned in the rules that I sent out that unless a player is nominated with a first round pick then he is fair game. Now in saying that Daniher has been nominated by Foj1 so Chris25 needs to update that but all others are fair game Offsider............away you go!

 

[Humble Minion]

Mentioned in the rules that I sent out that unless a player is nominated with a first round pick then he is fair game. Now in saying that Daniher has been nominated by Foj1 so Chris25 needs to update that but all others are fair game Offsider............away you go!

*cough* I did email Chris25 nominating Viney last night, not sure he's received it yet...

 

[LemmingMaster]

Just pick Vibey at 3 and be over and done with.

 

[Chris25]

Correct.

Daniher and Viney will be going to the Bombers at 16 and Demons at 3 respectively.

 

[Offsider]

Pick 2: Sam Mayes
Height: 187cm
Weight: 78kg
DOB: 20/05/1994
Club: North Adelaide (SA)

There were probably three prospects whom I rated very closely here and found it difficult to split all of them. In the end I went with Sam Mayes, I just think that he is a super talent and although he has struggled in patches this year a bit I think his game will translate perfectly to AFL. I see him primarily as a midfielder, one who will start in the center square and is capable of winning the ball on both the inside and outside, as well as being a very good medium forward who will kick a lot of goals. After last year I was unsure if he would be a mid or just a very good forward but I have seen enough to consider him a mid now. He has a very well rounded game, one which should translate to the AFL very well.

Athletically Mayes is very good, his speed is good, he is very agile and moves really well in traffic and just takes the right options time and time again. He is not your super high-end athlete but he is just such a smooth mover it’s hard not to be impressed. He doesn’t find enough of the ball yet on a consistent basis but when he does he is very composed, efficient and has a high hurt factor. His kicking is elite, probably the best in the draft IMO, he has a low flat powerful kick and hits targets consistently and makes good decisions. His hands are very good, he rarely fumbles and he just uses the ball by hand and foot so well, he has a lot of time with the ball and that is what you look for with junior players. He is a very good mark as a leading forward and also capable of taking strong contested marks. Defensively he needs to improve a bit but he does put in the effort to run both ways just not as much as I would like to see, but all junior footballers are likely this so not overtly worried. He probably needs to put on a bit of weight and improve his endurance before he realises his full potential but I think he will be a super player as a mid/HFF. I could see him kicking 30+ goals a year regularly despite being predominantly a full time mid rotating forward.

 

[Snoop Dog]

*cough* I did email Chris25 nominating Viney last night, not sure he's received it yet...

Well done - unfortunately the rule we have for this works against you calling anyone's bluff I guess. I don't know that the Suns will pitch for him in the real thing but given their abundance of talls then maybe they will. I reckon Silvagni has done a terrific job with the kids he picked - he earmarked kids who could win their own ball as a standout trait they had to have. Greene, Adams, Treloar, Coniglio, Smith etc have all shown that. I don't think the Suns did that so much and hence they may go for Viney as he is the best kid in the country for that. If that the Dees would land Grundy and that wouldn't be the worst outcome for them either. Will be really interesting.

What are the chances the Suns don't go for Viney and don't hit Grundy bc of the talls they already have? That would be a dream outcome for Melbourne.

 

[Offsider]

Well done - unfortunately the rule we have for this works against you calling anyone's bluff I guess. I don't know that the Suns will pitch for him in the real thing but given their abundance of talls then maybe they will. I reckon Silvagni has done a terrific job with the kids he picked - he earmarked kids who could win their own ball as a standout trait they had to have. Greene, Adams, Treloar, Coniglio, Smith etc have all shown that. I don't think the Suns did that so much and hence they may go for Viney as he is the best kid in the country for that. If that the Dees would land Grundy and that wouldn't be the worst outcome for them either. Will be really interesting.

What are the chances the Suns don't go for Viney and don't hit Grundy bc of the talls they already have? That would be a dream outcome for Melbourne.

I don't see GC grabbing Grundy despite his talent, but i agree Viney is the best inside mid in the draft and worthy of a top 5 pick, I could see Melbourne getting both Viney and Grundy at 3 and 4.

 

[Humble Minion]

Pick 3: Jack Viney

Pick 4: Brodie Grundy

Writeups later.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I just cannot see the Suns selecting Grundy, so there is a good chance that Melbourne could secure a draft of Grundy, Toumpas/Mayes...and Viney in the second round.

 

[Raymann]

Hard not to be impressed with Whitfield. Anyone know why he spent so much time up forward at the Champs? Maybe to give the other Country mids a chance but I did think it hurt their chances overall.

Anyway does Offsider put in a bid for Viney at number 2? I probably would. Viney is just the type of player that GC need although it is a fraction high.

I believe the reason why Lachie played mainly as a HFF is because VC thought he would get tagged every game. He was instructed to push up the ground and create a five man forward line opening up the forward area for Membrey and co to lead in to.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I just cannot see the Suns selecting Grundy, so there is a good chance that Melbourne could secure a draft of Grundy, Toumpas/Mayes...and Viney in the second round.

What an outcome for Melbourne. Surely not even Melbourne could stuff that up could they.

Anyway think Suns will trade with GWS for pick #2 anyway and Giants will get Grundy as well.

 

[tigs2010]

Love the pick Offsider. IMO he will be the best player from this draft long term.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Love the pick Offsider. IMO he will be the best player from this draft long term.

have sent Yoda a msg

 

[Snoop Dog]

Important Rule Announcement

It was remiss of me not to say that there will be no zone selections in the Trial Run so all players are available

 

[Danair]

What an outcome for Melbourne. Surely not even Melbourne could stuff that up could they.

Anyway think Suns will trade with GWS for pick #2 anyway and Giants will get Grundy as well.[/quote]

Mini draft pick?

Martin or Hogan worth that?

 

[Yoda_]

Pick 5: Western Bulldogs
Oliver Wines (185cm, 83kg, 7.10.1994, Bendigo Pioneers)

The type of player the Bulldogs may not neccesarily need but he is the best available here. Big inside ball winner, who is clean by hand and foot, Wines often makes the right choices coming from the pack and is more than able to play on the outside as a link up player if required.

Has kicked goals for both the Pioneers and for Vic Country which shows his versatility to pay anywhere.

Pick 6: Western Bulldogs
Johnathan O'Rourke (183cm, 75kg, 21.4.1994, Calder Cannons)

A hamstring injury cruelled most of his 2011 season but has come back strongly in 2012. O'Rourke is another big time inside ball winner who can help out the young pups already in the Bulldogs colors. Works hard both ways and can really influence games either on the inside or the outside. Another good strong decision maker, O'Rourke rarely wastes a disposal and is another player who can play a variety of roles at AFL level.

Interesting to see you go with Mayes at 2 Offsider, whats your thinking behind that? calling you bluff..