Would Freo consider 9 + 43 for 10 + 22? Effectively paying 393 'points' to stop our inevitable bid on Henry. It's costly, and it still leaves Melbourne in the equation. I think Freo will go very hard for Melbourne's Pick 8 instead.
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He just makes smart decisions and his hands are elite just so clean, we would be crazy not to take him as he is exactly what we need to add some bums on seats excitement.
Would be the best result for us out of all the scenarios involving trading pick 9 for 2 picks, could eventuate if we play our hand right and would be the ideal result for us.
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Yes and this is why Bell is a mug. He put his club in a position where they can easily be blackmailed. Freo would be mad not to make that deal if we are going to bid. It could backfire on us though and maybe a situation arises where it’s not worth it to us.
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I can't think of a worse scenario for us and about 3 other clubs. I'm well behind others in minutes watched, but I don't even rate Serong and Flanders as top 10 material at the moment. Young is another who is patchy for me in terms of true positional play, but his kicking is exceptional.
Up to 4 national draft picks, with 1 rookie pick. It's also possible we want to leave a rookie list spot open for the mid-season draft or a pre-season signing, but I'd hope we learnt our lesson after last time, and sidestep that entirely. If we get a season-ending injury before round 10, so be it, but otherwise just get some talent in the door and develop them.
With some shrewd pick trading, there's more than enough talent on offer to entice us into taking 4 selections.
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How did he "put his club" in that position?
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I know this is not the strongest draft, but I can see Kemp sliding to our pick 9 or beyond.
Jake Lever captained Vic in his underage year, was touted as a future top 3 pick. Missed his entire draft year with an ACL and went pick 14. In fact, Adelaide were so sure Lever would last that they traded down from pick 10 to pick 14 before the draft.
Ryan Burton was touted as a future #1 pick. Kicked 5 goals in his first champs match as an underager. Got glandular fever and badly broke his leg. Lasted til pick 19.
Each of these players had a full year of recovery behind them by the time they were drafted. Although on the flip side, they had no draft year performance to assess.
TL,DR: Not sure that Kemp goes top 10...
Jake Lever captained Vic in his underage year, was touted as a future top 3 pick. Missed his entire draft year with an ACL and went pick 14. In fact, Adelaide were so sure Lever would last that they traded down from pick 10 to pick 14 before the draft.
Ryan Burton was touted as a future #1 pick. Kicked 5 goals in his first champs match as an underager. Got glandular fever and badly broke his leg. Lasted til pick 19.
Each of these players had a full year of recovery behind them by the time they were drafted. Although on the flip side, they had no draft year performance to assess.
TL,DR: Not sure that Kemp goes top 10...
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Side note. Lever re-injured his ACL in 2018 and effectively lost 2 seasons of footy, we will see what type of player he comes back as.
I’m way too sceptical about recruiting a big bodied kid who has done an ACL, especially considering what we have gone through with Kruz and Doc in the past.
Just in terms of expectation Mgt:
Can you please start your posts indicating whether it is a serious post or not?
I find myself not giving you full credit for your excellent analysis because I spend the whole post waiting to laugh....then become disappointed not because of the post itself, but because it didn’t meet my expectations of you.
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Nope, I like to leave people guessing.
That way if I try a joke and it falls flat, I can pretend it was a serious post.....
Which is like the opposite of my strategy....”Dylan Stephens is a weak outside flake”......”just kidding.. hahaha. He’s a two way running mid with neat skills, good decision making and ball use in tight.”Nope, I like to leave people guessing.
That way if I try a joke and it falls flat, I can pretend it was a serious post.....
(Looks around. No one comments. Don’t think they noticed. Phew.)
You make a valid point. You only read of Kemp being linked to Carlton. Not sure other clubs will be as keen to invest their first pick for Kemp unless its a club blessed with two first round picks. If SOS thinks he may drop to pick 15 he may gladly trade with GC.
Just listened to the Road to the Draft podcast with the Melb Recruiter. My takes:
- they are clearly going to bid on Green if they don’t trade the pick
- he likes 3-4 players at pick 3, which makes me think he will be comfortable that one will be there if they drop to 6
- I’m confident they will trade 3 for 6 and something else
- he said Luke Jackson is def in that group of three to four which means he won’t get past their second pick (8)
- he said Kemp was tracking positively and was in the mix for 8. Was asked about Ash and Serong in same flow and kind of ignored them.
- they are clearly going to bid on Green if they don’t trade the pick
- he likes 3-4 players at pick 3, which makes me think he will be comfortable that one will be there if they drop to 6
- I’m confident they will trade 3 for 6 and something else
- he said Luke Jackson is def in that group of three to four which means he won’t get past their second pick (8)
- he said Kemp was tracking positively and was in the mix for 8. Was asked about Ash and Serong in same flow and kind of ignored them.
Really!! Cold shouldered Serong and Ash that surprises me, especially with Serong, thought he might be in there sites due to his playing forward as well as mid. Jackson would be a good get for them at 8 can ease him in while Gawn is still going around, did he say anything regarding Young which is who I thought they’d take if they kept 3.
For FB, re Robertson.
Courage personified when it’s his turn. Real workhorse and Mr Perpetual Motion. Always providing an option. Tackles hard. Works hard both ways. Hands ok without being amazing.
My main issues with him are encapsulated in these statistics:
- only 38 percent of his disposals are contested. So he should have time, especially considering he’s ‘nippy enough’ to create space
- yet despite the surprisingly uncontested nature of his game, he only kicks it 41 percent of the time. And when he does it’s slow and short.
He seems to have no faith in his kicking game at all. It really reduces the damage he can create. I can’t work out how he generates score involvements at the next level. Like he gets uncontested ball and doesn’t move it on very fast. He doesn’t really ‘release’ players into space. Like say Cripps does by hand. It’s all safe and slow disposal use for mine. He could be stat conscious (ie: aware of disposal efficiency being important) and therefore has become too safe. Maybe it can be improved a lot at the next level. Worpel certainly fixed his kicking a lot. But I’d rather see it. Ya know? Than ‘hope’ for it. He’s a no for mine at 9/10.
Courage personified when it’s his turn. Real workhorse and Mr Perpetual Motion. Always providing an option. Tackles hard. Works hard both ways. Hands ok without being amazing.
My main issues with him are encapsulated in these statistics:
- only 38 percent of his disposals are contested. So he should have time, especially considering he’s ‘nippy enough’ to create space
- yet despite the surprisingly uncontested nature of his game, he only kicks it 41 percent of the time. And when he does it’s slow and short.
He seems to have no faith in his kicking game at all. It really reduces the damage he can create. I can’t work out how he generates score involvements at the next level. Like he gets uncontested ball and doesn’t move it on very fast. He doesn’t really ‘release’ players into space. Like say Cripps does by hand. It’s all safe and slow disposal use for mine. He could be stat conscious (ie: aware of disposal efficiency being important) and therefore has become too safe. Maybe it can be improved a lot at the next level. Worpel certainly fixed his kicking a lot. But I’d rather see it. Ya know? Than ‘hope’ for it. He’s a no for mine at 9/10.
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Yes I actually decided to watch games instead of taking a view based on highlights. Although to be fair I think I’d seen two of his games. He wasn’t getting a lot of it and I stupidly wrote him off.Sounds like you've changed your tune
Then I remembered. Laverde. I loved his highlights too. But the bloke can’t play. So you’ve got to watch games.
Then I thought I needed to properly look at Stephens, thinking he will be there at ten.
But he won’t be. That’s my call now, based on watching his actual games.
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I was also one that got sucked in by Laverde's highlights. We still managed to pick someone worse... But let's not play the 'blaine' game tonight.Well, darn, who do we pick at 9 then ?
Not Robertson. No way. Recruiters have invented a new type if he’s a top 10. Simple example: he just marked the ball in this game I’m re-watching for Ferrisb at about 40 out. He spent 15 seconds looking around at anything but the goals for someone to hand it off to. He’s got NO faith in his kicking at all. He’s too risky for mine. Way too risky.
Well, darn, who do we pick at 9 then ?
In regards who we pick:
- optimistically Stephens or Ash have an outside chance of falling to us. Either would be great. Both add run and class.
- realistically Serong or Kemp fall to us. I’d be happy with either.
Well, darn, who do we pick at 9 then ?
I know we’re pretty big on kemp. I’m happy with either ash Stephens kemp serong
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Dunno about playing round one, but since we actually have an ok side, he can, gasp, develop in the VFL while he puts on some weight. If only we had that luxury with LOB and Dow.
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Looks like we’ll get a decent kid at pick 9. Hopefully we keep it.
Plays a different role to Dow.
But yeh, would be going up against the likes of lob for a spot.
Also played half the year in the sanfl already.
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