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Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn
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You just know the poll is rigged with the Collingwood fans infiltrating to join with the Hawthorn fans.
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I think for most supporters it would be
Sicily and then a debate of which one of Newcombe and Day is 2nd and which one is 3rd
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The original comment made was that the "pinnacle" wasn't that good which I assume is referring to Carlton's peak. From mid-2023 to mid-2024 Carlton went 22W 6L (including finals).
Our issue has been consistency within a season not our best football not being good enough.
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It doesn't matter where you start the season. Yes you made the prelim but were outside the top 4. You have never made top 4. History shows that a few teams have made a prelim from outside the top 4 and then disappeared. Yes we have had Brisbane and Bulldogs recently win the granny from outside the top 4 especially the bulldogs but they have been in the top 4 in other seasons. Making a prelim for a single year doesn't change what I said. You are yet to prove that you can be consistent performer in season. It's not to say you can't improve but I was responding to another comment about age and how that counts.
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Id have Sicily, Newcombe, Moore and then a toss up of Day and a few others for the next wrung down.
He may be the most talented of that lot but he's yet to break out into a genuine star player.
2023 he was very good but compared to others in his position it's hard to argue he's in the top 20 midfielders in the comp currently.
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Right... But neither have the Hawks?
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Yes but we weren't expected to. Once again you are responding to my post rather than the post I responded to mate
At the end of the day list rating is a waste of time. No one knows about injuries, no one knows which name players may plateau or fall away, no one knows which no name could have a break out year. I guess it kills an off season but has no basis in fact or reality.
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Here is an indication of the importance of Day. He doesn't play the first 6 rounds in 2024. Hawthorn lose all but one game during that period. The only win was North. Newcombe has a poor start as he is the focus of the opposition without Day. Day comes back we start playing a lot better Newk plays a lot better. Its no coincidence that Days return changed our fortune for the year and he was sorely missed when he got injured again especially against Port
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Importance is different to best. Cripps and Curnow are better players than Weitering but I'd argue we'd struggle a lot more missing Weitering than we would either of those two.
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He's a Hawks fan... They're that caught up in the Hokball circus they'd miss news of an impending nuclear war.
Please tell me you weren't being serious...
The posts were asking to look at the entire list.
I don't think anyone disputes that on paper Carlton have the better top 4-6, it takes a team to win a premiership though, and Carlton list drops away heavily
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Would argue our depth is much better. The best 22 on the AFL website had these as our emergencies
Your club's best 22 in 2025: Who's in, who's out, who's new
With the trade period and draft done, our reporters have their say on your team's best line-up for next year
www.afl.com.au
Emerg: Luke Breust, Mabior Chol, Finn Maginness, Cam Mackenzie
That also didn't include Gunston, Ward and Morrison.
I would think all but Chol and Morrison would be able to fit in Carlton's best team
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Gunston/Breust the only ones that would have a chance. No way the others get in imoWould argue our depth is much better. The best 22 on the AFL website had these as our emergencies
Your club's best 22 in 2025: Who's in, who's out, who's new
With the trade period and draft done, our reporters have their say on your team's best line-up for next year
Emerg: Luke Breust, Mabior Chol, Finn Maginness, Cam Mackenzie
That also didn't include Gunston, Ward and Morrison.
I would think all but Chol and Morrison would be able to fit in Carlton's best team
But I wasn't measuring whose side batted deepest from emergencies and beyond.Would argue our depth is much better. The best 22 on the AFL website had these as our emergencies
Your club's best 22 in 2025: Who's in, who's out, who's new
With the trade period and draft done, our reporters have their say on your team's best line-up for next year
Emerg: Luke Breust, Mabior Chol, Finn Maginness, Cam Mackenzie
That also didn't include Gunston, Ward and Morrison.
I would think all but Chol and Morrison would be able to fit in Carlton's best team
Carlton's best 10 players give more than Hawthorn's top 10, then that difference is cancelled out by what happens from players 11-30. So they end up pretty close.
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, shows how little you know.
I hate Carton but I can see them finishing top 4. If they don't cop any long term injuries to their key players. They also have a great fixture considering where they finished last season.
Hawthorn, should be up there if you believe in their upward trajectory but not sure they will.
Hawthorn, should be up there if you believe in their upward trajectory but not sure they will.
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Better than Sicily, Newcombe and Moore? On potential id say yes, on output not imo.
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Let's not discuss output as that leads to wild and absurd statements like Mason Cox is a better player than Sam Walsh.
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