What is the definition of a "flat track bully?"

[Warwick]

I've heard it used on players who have performed all over the world and all grades at cricket, and even on a bloke who averages >50 in FC and test cricket, and >40 in ODIs.

IMO, a flat track bully is one who performs at domestic level, but not on the international scene when the going gets tough.

Does anyone wish to argue with my definition?

 

[mbuck]

sachin tendulkar

 

[Greg Miller= Messiah]

Brad Hodge
and get ready for me to crap abuse, Brad Hogg.
In a tight situation when he's playing I can't remember this guy doing anything

 

[Greg Miller= Messiah]

sachin tendulkar

Piss off

 

[mbuck]

Piss off

what? inzi and tendulkar are both FTBs

 

[Grimreepah]

Jason Gillespie

 

[Romeo]

Not only taking account of the transition between domestic and international. Someone who can dominate on flat tracks, against ordinary attacks but fails at the first sight of swing, genuine pace or bona fide good bowling.

The Indians in South Africa recently are a case in point. The highly credentialed Dravid didn't score one half century for the series. The tracks weren't quite as fast and bouncy as they usually are in SA but much more challenging than the flat ones in India. Tendulkar also struggled, as did Sehwag who looked horrendously vulnerable against anything that swung. Nothing in double figures for him as an opener.

They also lost 4-0 to the Saffas in the one dayers and made some frightfully low scores. As soon as they return to India, 300 almost looks like their staple.

And believe it or not muppet was able to score 3 half tons in the test series. Just shows how poor those Indians with huge reputations were.

And just to add, as much as I rate Yousuf he only had 1 decent score in the test series as well. Averaged mid-30's; a far cry from the 99 he managed to average last year on flat English and sub-continent tracks.

 

[Catman]

I've heard it used on players who have performed all over the world and all grades at cricket, and even on a bloke who averages >50 in FC and test cricket, and >40 in ODIs.

IMO, a flat track bully is one who performs at domestic level, but not on the international scene when the going gets tough.

Does anyone wish to argue with my definition?

Would have thought there might have had some reference to a pitch. Hence the term "flat track".

But that would be logical, would it not?

 

[Warwick]

Would have thought there might have had some reference to a pitch. Hence the term "flat track".

But that would be logical, would it not?

It doesn't need to be solely associated with the physical appearance of the pitch.

 

[gerta]

This picture would have to appear in any definition of flat track bully

 

[dan warna]

sometimes applied to playes who score well when the team is in front or batting first but fold when under pressure.

players who can be accused of this :

brad hodge, mark waugh, kim hughes, the entire england batting line up for the past 20 years, the sri lankan middle order, hershelle gibbs, daryl cullinnan

 

[mbuck]

 

[mbuck]

almost forgot

 

[Romeo]

Good gets but who is the guy at the bottom?

Also did you digitally alter Cosgrove to get him looking thinner than he actually is?

 

[Kahuna]

Good gets but who is the guy at the bottom?

Also did you digitally alter Cosgrove to get him looking thinner than he actually is?

No he didnt, Inzi above him ********s it up.

Guy at the bottom is Mal Lowe I think.

 

[eddiesmith]

Would have thought there might have had some reference to a pitch. Hence the term "flat track".

But that would be logical, would it not?

Thats what I use it for, blokes who do well on flat tracks against ******** teams but once the ball starts swinging or face decent bowlers they struggle

 

[Catman]

It doesn't need to be solely associated with the physical appearance of the pitch.

Didn't say it did.

 

[mbuck]

Good gets but who is the guy at the bottom?

Also did you digitally alter Cosgrove to get him looking thinner than he actually is?

nope, no photoshop bottom guy is mal loye

 

[Dipper]

I guess flat track bully orignally comes from players who can score a heap when there's nothing in the pitch but are a shadow of that player when the ball is doing something.

But yeah I'd tend to mean it in more general terms for someone who can destroy average bowling but can't step it up.

I guess it's pretty similar in reality both ways.

Graeme Hick springs to mind as perhaps the number 1 flat track bully of modern times, perhaps ever.

Flintoff has a touch of the flat track bully about him, not so much that he scores a heap of runs but when batting is easy he can destroy people but if the ball's swinging, seaming or turning he usually looks clueless.

 

[Romeo]

I guess flat track bully orignally comes from players who can score a heap when there's nothing in the pitch but are a shadow of that player when the ball is doing something.

But yeah I'd tend to mean it in more general terms for someone who can destroy average bowling but can't step it up.

I guess it's pretty similar in reality both ways.

Graeme Hick springs to mind as perhaps the number 1 flat track bully of modern times, perhaps ever.

Flintoff has a touch of the flat track bully about him, not so much that he scores a heap of runs but when batting is easy he can destroy people but if the ball's swinging, seaming or turning he usually looks clueless.

Agree with that last comment but I think most modern batsmen can be exploited by swing or seam.

I think the term can be literally and metaphorically applied; the latter referring to beating up on weaker opponents and prevailing in more favourable conditions.

 

[Constipated Duck]

I think Matty Hayden carried the stigma for a while too. Not only his initial struggle with the step up to Test level, but even his first couple of years "back" seemed to dominate spinners and pedestrian medium pacers, but was relatively mortal against genuine quicks.

 

[Warwick]

I think Matty Hayden carried the stigma for a while too. Not only his initial struggle with the step up to Test level, but even his first couple of years "back" seemed to dominate spinners and pedestrian medium pacers, but was relatively mortal against genuine quicks.

This was the bloke i was referring to at the start. You don't have a test average well over 50 playing as many games as he has, just by playing well against meager opposition.

Making 500 odd runs in a series against India, in India on spinning pitches, against world quality spinners tends to indicate he is not a flat track bully.

Sure, his form may be lacking somewhat, but that doesn't make him a FTB.

 

[likka]

This bully is one FAT CAT.

Hodge in domestic cricket.
Haydos, until he got old and unreliable.
VVS Laxman
Mohammed Yousef (hell he's just a bully)

 

[DIG]

White in this series almost falls into this category.

he's ok to smash 40 off 20 when there's 250 on the board already, but three times now when we've been under pressure in a run chase he's given us nothing.

 

[bus24]

Sehwag