NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 4

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Donald Trump was sworn in as president of the United States on Monday 20th January, 2025 in Washington DC.

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I'm putting together this thread for the 2020 US election cycle, to prevent this topic from hijacking other threads :)
 
RCAB said:
You're not worming your way out of this.

A "justified scenario"? Irene literally said the quiet part out loud: she prefers a benevolent dictatorship over democracy. That’s not a hypothetical, it’s a stated belief from your own side.

But suddenly, when a governor resists federal overreach, that’s the real dictatorship? You’re arguing that a single elected official standing up to a federal executive power grab is worse than an entire administration consolidating unchecked power, purging agencies, and rewriting governance via executive order?

You’re tripping over your own logic. A governor refusing an authoritarian federal mandate is the very definition of states’ rights—something conservatives used to pretend to care about. But now that Trump is the one pushing federal dominance, you’ve flipped the script.

So which is it? Do you support states resisting federal overreach, or do you only support obedience when your guy is in charge
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Im not weasleing out of someone elses opinion. What a silly suggestion

A governor ignoring law as decided in a democracy to promote her own ideology at the expense of the democratic process is dictatorship. She is dictating her opinion on her electorate against the will of the people and against the laws of the consitution. She should be thrown out of office immediately.... but then that would be dictator like yeah...
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Im not weasleing out of someone elses opinion. What a silly suggestion

A governor ignoring law as decided in a democracy to promote her own ideology at the expense of the democratic process is dictatorship. She is dictating her opinion on her electorate against the will of the people and against the laws of the consitution. She should be thrown out of office immediately.... but then that would be dictator like yeah...
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Was she not elected via a democratic election?
 

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Ghost Patrol said:
Was she not elected via a democratic election?
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Yep... and then she ignored democracy thereafter.

The exact same thing you are accusing Trump of doing here... one is a accusation and the leftie Governor is happening in real time.

More concerned about what could happen as opposed to what currently is. Lefties are more concerned with the future then the present. Its why 2 million can die in a war and no one bats a eyelid about it all on that side of the fence. 2 mill died... It could have been 20 mill in the future bro. We better stop the war that might happen in 20 years from now instead of the one happening today...
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Yep... and then she ignored democracy thereafter.

The exact same thing you are accusing Trump of doing here... one is a accusation and the leftie Governor is happening in real time.

More concerned about what could happen as opposed to what currently is. Lefties are more concerned with the future then the present. Its why 2 million can die in a war and no one bats a eyelid about it all on that side of the fence. 2 mill died... It could have been 20 mill in the future bro. We better stop the war that might happen in 20 years from now instead of the one happening today...
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You're not making much sense. Did you get a good nights sleep?
 
HitTheNailOnTheHead said:
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You have a real problem at this point. Why? Because before I finished that post I went out of my way to check how long CNN had left it up for and it WAS 2 hours. In fact I checked with the only people I know you would believe - the fact checkers.



CNN Published Headline 'Secret Service Rushes Trump Off Stage After He Falls at Rally'?

Users on X criticized the media outlet for a headline published when information about the July 13, 2024, shooting was still sparse.
www.snopes.com

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Just give up mate. You're terrible at this.
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Crankyn, you’re desperately grasping at straws.

Let’s break this down slowly so you can understand why this entire outrage is manufactured nonsense.


1. What CNN Actually Did (With Timeline)

Within seconds of the gunfire (6:11 PM EDT) – CNN’s first update:
"Trump falls to the ground onstage at rally; unclear what is happening."
This was literally as the shots were fired. No verified information was available yet.

One minute later (~6:12 PM EDT) – CNN updates the subheading:
"Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after he falls at rally."
Again, this was before any media outlet had confirmed what actually happened.

36 minutes after the incident – CNN officially reports Trump is safe.

“An incident occurred at a Trump rally. The Secret Service has implemented protective measures and the former President is safe.”
So, by this point, they knew he was alive and safe but still didn’t have full details. This according to Anthony Guglielmi, US Secret Service chief



40 minutes after the incident – Trump’s team confirms he’s "fine" and being checked.

“President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action. He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility.”



60 minutes after the incident – CNN acknowledges blood on Trump's face and reports gunfire.

“Trump had blood on his face as he was rushed off stage following the sound of loud bangs.”



71 minutes after the incident – CNN reports politicians reacting to the shooting.

“Haley condemns political violence and offers prayers for Trump.”







2. Your Complaint is Absolutely Baseless

Your claim: “CNN hid the truth for 2 hours.”
Reality: CNN updated the story in real-time and reported on gunfire within the hour.

This is how breaking news works. Initial reports describe what is physically observed, and then details are refined as verified information comes in.

Even Snopes debunked your fake outrage by explaining that CNN’s live feed was continuously updated as facts became clear. They didn't “hide” anything, they followed standard journalistic practice.

Meanwhile, Fox News rushed to political blame-shifting within 12 minutes. So, do you think they "handled it better," or does your outrage only apply when CNN is involved?




3. You Just Handed Yourself an L

By citing Snopes, you’ve confirmed:
✅ The subheading was changed as new information became available.
✅ CNN did report gunshots well before the 2-hour mark.
✅ Your entire argument relies on pretending CNN never updated their coverage which is objectively false.






This is yet another self-inflicted defeat. You’ve spent days crying about CNN, only to prove they reported exactly as a credible news agency should.

  • Fox News rushed to politicization within 12 minutes.
  • CNN waited for verified details and reported gunfire within an hour.
  • You still claim CNN “hid” the truth, despite their own timestamps proving you wrong.

Crankyn, how do you keep making your own arguments collapse? 🤡


CNN Published Headline 'Secret Service Rushes Trump Off Stage After He Falls at Rally'?

Users on X criticized the media outlet for a headline published when information about the July 13, 2024, shooting was still sparse.
www.snopes.com
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Im not weasleing out of someone elses opinion. What a silly suggestion

A governor ignoring law as decided in a democracy to promote her own ideology at the expense of the democratic process is dictatorship. She is dictating her opinion on her electorate against the will of the people and against the laws of the consitution. She should be thrown out of office immediately.... but then that would be dictator like yeah...
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You're drowning 🌊 in contradictions, and it's actually impressive.

Ignoring federal law is dictatorship?

So, when Trump openly defies court rulings, issues executive orders overriding laws, and grants unchecked power to his Attorney General, that’s not dictatorship?

But when a governor challenges federal overreach, suddenly it’s a dictatorship? Pick a lane.



“Against the will of the people”?

Are you suggesting Maine’s voters did not elect their governor?

Oh wait, they did... in a democratic election. That’s how democracy works.



"Throw her out immediately!"

Wait… so now you do want a dictator-style removal of an elected official?

But I thought you were against dictatorship? Oops. 🫠




The mental gymnastics are breathtaking. You’re demanding authoritarian action to punish a governor for… supposedly being authoritarian.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Im not weasleing out of someone elses opinion. What a silly suggestion

A governor ignoring law as decided in a democracy to promote her own ideology at the expense of the democratic process is dictatorship. She is dictating her opinion on her electorate against the will of the people and against the laws of the consitution. She should be thrown out of office immediately.... but then that would be dictator like yeah...
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When you're saying she is acting against the will of the people.

Are you saying that because Trump was elected, that this overrides her being elected, if Trump wants to impose Federal law overriding State laws?

If it is that or not, can you list of source some examples of what you're talking about? So it can be viewed with 'common sense', rather than an abstract hypothetical.





Speaking of real issues that are happening. What are your thoughts on the Federal Government stepping in to throw out the States investigation and case against Democrat Eric Adams?
Is this the will of the people, or the will of the President?
 
RCAB said:
You're drowning 🌊 in contradictions, and it's actually impressive.

Ignoring federal law is dictatorship?

So, when Trump openly defies court rulings, issues executive orders overriding laws, and grants unchecked power to his Attorney General, that’s not dictatorship?

But when a governor challenges federal overreach, suddenly it’s a dictatorship? Pick a lane.



“Against the will of the people”?

Are you suggesting Maine’s voters did not elect their governor?

Oh wait, they did... in a democratic election. That’s how democracy works.



"Throw her out immediately!"

Wait… so now you do want a dictator-style removal of an elected official?

But I thought you were against dictatorship? Oops. 🫠




The mental gymnastics are breathtaking. You’re demanding authoritarian action to punish a governor for… supposedly being authoritarian.
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He seems to be saying that Trump needs to be a dictator, to stop any State leaders from possibly being dictators.

He implicitly supports Trump deploying the National guard and the US military against those States and the people, if they oppose 'The Federal Government'.

He's saying that Trump winning the election means he is 'the will of the people', which gives him the right to be a dictator, as he's merely acting on behalf of the people. Or something along those common sense lines.
If violence against the people is required in order to protect the people, the ends justify the means. Greater good etc.
Happy for him to dispute this and say that he is against this. But he seems more to say that it should happen but Trump won't go far enough and therefore won't be successful.
 
CM86 said:
He seems to be saying that Trump needs to be a dictator, to stop any State leaders from possibly being dictators.

He implicitly supports Trump deploying the National guard and the US military against those States and the people, if they oppose 'The Federal Government'.

He's saying that Trump winning the election means he is 'the will of the people', which gives him the right to be a dictator, as he's merely acting on behalf of the people. Or something along those common sense lines.
If violence against the people is required in order to protect the people, the ends justify the means. Greater good etc.
Happy for him to dispute this and say that he is against this. But he seems more to say that it should happen but Trump won't go far enough and therefore won't be successful.
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Hitler was acting on the will of the people too, but of course we could argue it wasn't the will of everyone.
 
CM86 said:
When you're saying she is acting against the will of the people.

Are you saying that because Trump was elected, that this overrides her being elected, if Trump wants to impose Federal law overriding State laws?

If it is that or not, can you list of source some examples of what you're talking about? So it can be viewed with 'common sense', rather than an abstract hypothetical.





Speaking of real issues that are happening. What are your thoughts on the Federal Government stepping in to throw out the States investigation and case against Democrat Eric Adams?
Is this the will of the people, or the will of the President?
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Many polls have said that the support for the ban is very overwhelming in favor of it. She also cannot override federal law. I mean what makes you think she can?

Its the will of the Federal law. The state cant overrule the DOJ because they feel like it. Based on your logic then why cant Trump just arrest Hunter Biden and put him in jail? Whats the point of following federal orders if you only have to follow them at certain times?
 

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RCAB said:
Hitler was acting on the will of the people too, but of course we could argue it wasn't the will of everyone.
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Hitler brainwashed the people.... just like you all got brainwahsed into wanting men to play womens sports.... cos im sure that was a ideology you held in 2005 right? You can surely point me to the time you supported it 20 years ago as a core belief of yours yeah?
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Hitler brainwashed the people.... just like you all got brainwahsed into wanting men to play womens sports.... cos im sure that was a ideology you held in 2005 right? You can surely point me to the time you supported it 20 years ago as a core belief of yours yeah?
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Ah, there it is.
The Hail Mary culture war pivot.

You just got steamrolled on the actual discussion, AG overreach, CNN timeline receipts, unchecked executive power, so now, it’s time for:
"But wHaT aBoUt SpOrTs?!?"


Did you just accidentally concede that you have zero rebuttal to the actual points?
Or did you consciously choose to run away and throw out a Fox News outrage buzzword as cover?

Either way, your silence on the real argument is deafening.

Go ahead, say something about bathrooms next. We’ll wait.
 
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RCAB said:
Ah, there it is.
The Hail Mary culture war pivot.

You just got steamrolled on the actual discussion, AG overreach, CNN timeline receipts, unchecked executive power, so now, it’s time for:
"But wHaT aBoUt SpOrTs?!?"

Tell me, Crankyn:
Did you just accidentally concede that you have zero rebuttal to the actual points?
Or did you consciously choose to run away and throw out a Fox News outrage buzzword as cover?

Either way, your silence on the real argument is deafening.

Go ahead, say something about bathrooms next. We’ll wait.
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Unchecked executive power is ignoring federal law at the state level… like the lefties are doing. Your only rebuttal to the Main governor ignoring federal law is to say she can ignore federal law and provide zero proof as to how its constituonal or correct

The rest is your imagination when it comes to current overreach because you refuse to go look at how the consitution works. If you did you would know you are wrong
 
CM86 said:
He seems to be saying that Trump needs to be a dictator, to stop any State leaders from possibly being dictators.

He implicitly supports Trump deploying the National guard and the US military against those States and the people, if they oppose 'The Federal Government'.

He's saying that Trump winning the election means he is 'the will of the people', which gives him the right to be a dictator, as he's merely acting on behalf of the people. Or something along those common sense lines.
If violence against the people is required in order to protect the people, the ends justify the means. Greater good etc.
Happy for him to dispute this and say that he is against this. But he seems more to say that it should happen but Trump won't go far enough and therefore won't be successful.
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This is true except the first part. Applying feferal law isnt the need to be a dictator. Its just his actual job

The military and National guard should be deployed to complete a federal law if the state refuses to do it. Its using the assets you have at your disposal to enact the laws you created democratically.

Violence against the people or violence against those who are breaking the law. Its the second. I dont think people can break the law and get away scot free. If they can well you will end up with your city being burnt down as we saw happen previously
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
I was a Democrat before so not sure why the says hi would matter that much. Donald Trump is a actor too mind you. Difference is he was elected democratically and Harris wasnt. Ignoring that by going back 40 years says alot about the situation
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As a democrat, how many US elections did you pretend to vote in?
 

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