Society & Culture Things in life you just don't understand - Part 6

[rocker_oz33]

Then there was the cricket commentary - "The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey".

There was the game between Bristol City and Derby County. Both having poor seasons. The respective managers were Alan Dicks and Arthur Cox. Towards the end of a tedious 0-0 draw the home fans started a chant of “Dicks out” which was answered by the away fans by a chant of “Cox out”.

Probably no one got in trouble in those days.



Unlike Tony Grieg in a one day game.
Camera pans a cross to a church.
She was flown in he said.
Naughty boy Tony.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Probably no one got in trouble in those days.



Unlike Tony Grieg in a one day game.
Camera pans a cross to a church.
She was flown in he said.
Naughty boy Tony.

Speaking of cricket commentary and the "good old days", is anyone else perplexed by all the wistful reflections on the 'classic four' lineup of Australian cricket commentary (Richie Benaud, Bill Lawry, Tony Greig and Ian Chappell), lamenting that the current commentators aren't a patch on them?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't actually recall anyone particularly enjoying Ian and Tony's contributions in particular. They simply benefit from two things (in my opinion):

1. The explosion of one day cricket over the 80s and 90s: every match over the Australian summer was a huge event and so anyone born between, say 1965 and 1990 has very vivid and fond memories of their summers growing up watching the Aussies play in ODIs and that core quartet being essentially the voices of their summer.

2. The popularity of the 12th Man, which made it fun for us all to do lame impressions from those albums (and, while undeniably funny, I think it's fair to say Billy Birmingham's impressions were very hit and miss - so it's often a bad impression of a pretty bad inpression).

With all due respect, anyone my age who'd never seen that group as players wouldn't have cared in the slightest at the time if Chappell and Greig had been replaced by others, we look back at it fondly because we miss being kids in the summer.

 

[revo333]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't actually recall anyone particularly enjoying Ian and Tony's contributions in particular. They simply benefit from two things (in my opinion):

I remember Tony Greig in general wasn't liked as a commentator but the moment he died the opinion shifted and he was remembered as a great commentator which I thought was strange.

It's like Ricky Ponting as test captain, While he was captain everyone thought he was shit but now he is talked about like he was one of our best ever.

 

[drd23]

It's like Ricky Ponting as test captain, While he was captain everyone thought he was shit but now he is talked about like he was one of our best ever.

I think it that was more seeing Clarke and then Smith after him be a fair bit more conservative and also not win in England that improved the outlook on Ponting's captaincy in hindsight

 

[Gough]

Probably no one got in trouble in those days.



Unlike Tony Grieg in a one day game.
Camera pans a cross to a church.
She was flown in he said.
Naughty boy Tony.

John Arlott once described Bob Cunis' bowling as being like his name, neither one thing nor the other.

 

[Pistol Night]

John Arlott once described Bob Cunis' bowling as being like his name, neither one thing nor the other.

I love that one.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I love that one.

Warnie .
Can't bowl .
Can't throw .
Reference.

Is also a song .

 

[rocker_oz33]

John Arlott once described Bob Cunis' bowling as being like his name, neither one thing nor the other.

Wow . .

You couldn't say that these days .

 

[rocker_oz33]

I had to work 07 GF .

Billy Brownless on the radio .
Waaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr did you see that .............goal.

Ummmm billy it's radio. .

 

[rocker_oz33]

Speaking of cricket commentary and the "good old days", is anyone else perplexed by all the wistful reflections on the 'classic four' lineup of Australian cricket commentary (Richie Benaud, Bill Lawry, Tony Greig and Ian Chappell), lamenting that the current commentators aren't a patch on them?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't actually recall anyone particularly enjoying Ian and Tony's contributions in particular. They simply benefit from two things (in my opinion):

1. The explosion of one day cricket over the 80s and 90s: every match over the Australian summer was a huge event and so anyone born between, say 1965 and 1990 has very vivid and fond memories of their summers growing up watching the Aussies play in ODIs and that core quartet being essentially the voices of their summer.

2. The popularity of the 12th Man, which made it fun for us all to do lame impressions from those albums (and, while undeniably funny, I think it's fair to say Billy Birmingham's impressions were very hit and miss - so it's often a bad impression of a pretty bad inpression).

With all due respect, anyone my age who'd never seen that group as players wouldn't have cared in the slightest at the time if Chappell and Greig had been replaced by others, we look back at it fondly because we miss being kids in the summer.

Pretty sure Ian Chappell was caught swearing on air.
Wasn't paying attention to when they came back on air.

Ian Healy I couldnt stand in the comm box .

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Chappell is replaceable but Greig ain’t.

 

[JackOutback]

Speaking of cricket commentary and the "good old days", is anyone else perplexed by all the wistful reflections on the 'classic four' lineup of Australian cricket commentary (Richie Benaud, Bill Lawry, Tony Greig and Ian Chappell), lamenting that the current commentators aren't a patch on them?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't actually recall anyone particularly enjoying Ian and Tony's contributions in particular. They simply benefit from two things (in my opinion):

1. The explosion of one day cricket over the 80s and 90s: every match over the Australian summer was a huge event and so anyone born between, say 1965 and 1990 has very vivid and fond memories of their summers growing up watching the Aussies play in ODIs and that core quartet being essentially the voices of their summer.

2. The popularity of the 12th Man, which made it fun for us all to do lame impressions from those albums (and, while undeniably funny, I think it's fair to say Billy Birmingham's impressions were very hit and miss - so it's often a bad impression of a pretty bad inpression).

With all due respect, anyone my age who'd never seen that group as players wouldn't have cared in the slightest at the time if Chappell and Greig had been replaced by others, we look back at it fondly because we miss being kids in the summer.

I think you've nailed it, people loved Richie, thought Bill was pretty decent, with some criticism for Tony and Chapelli (who I think people found a little boring). But I don't think it's just nostalgia, while there was criticism of them, their commentary focused on the game, whereas over time there has been a clear shit towards commentators being more entertainers than simply describers of the game. And for purists, that's a big step down. So I'd take Tony's flawed commentary over Warnie banging on about pizzas.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Pretty sure Ian Chappell was caught swearing on air.
Wasn't paying attention to when they came back on air.

Ian Healy I couldnt stand in the comm box .

I vaguely recall Chappell on separate occasions muttering "I can't hear a (effing) thing..." and (on an Ashes tour) that he was "...over this (effing) weather..." or words to that effect. Could have my facts wrong though.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I think you've nailed it, people loved Richie, thought Bill was pretty decent, with some criticism for Tony and Chapelli (who I think people found a little boring). But I don't think it's just nostalgia, while there was criticism of them, their commentary focused on the game, whereas over time there has been a clear shit towards commentators being more entertainers than simply describers of the game. And for purists, that's a big step down. So I'd take Tony's flawed commentary over Warnie banging on about pizzas.

Yeah, it definitely came through the 12th man that Chappelli's character there was boring. I can't recall whether that was the reality though, but I was only a kid.

I do remember Tony flogging a new bit of crappy memorabilia every couple of hours though.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I vaguely recall Chappell on separate occasions muttering "I can't hear a (effing) thing..." and (on an Ashes tour) that he was "...over this (effing) weather..." or words to that effect. Could have my facts wrong though.

I reckon your right .
I pretty I heard the same.



Wonder who idea it was to bowl effing under arm .

 

[nobbyiscool]

I vaguely recall Chappell on separate occasions muttering "I can't hear a (effing) thing..." and (on an Ashes tour) that he was "...over this (effing) weather..." or words to that effect. Could have my facts wrong though.

One of the greatest of all time below...

Funniest thing is that I seem to remember a bare minimum of outrage, not because this preceded cancel culture or anything - but just cos everyone seemed to accept that Thommo was looser than the stretched undies of an ozempic patient, and kind of accepted that this was inevitable at some stage..

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

One of the greatest of all time below...

Funniest thing is that I seem to remember a bare minimum of outrage, not because this preceded cancel culture or anything - but just cos everyone seemed to accept that Thommo was looser than the stretched undies of an ozempic patient, and kind of accepted that this was inevitable at some stage..

Ah yes, it was Thommo that time, not Chappell. As for the second part, yeah I think you've got it, unlike, say Don Burke, Thommo's always seemed to be rough as guts, so you'd expect nothing else from him than to explode with the f-bombs he's been holding in as soon as he's off air, it's completely on-brand. Can't be tolerated of course, but who's really going to get offended about it?

 

[rocker_oz33]

Ah yes, it was Thommo that time, not Chappell. As for the second part, yeah I think you've got it, unlike, say Don Burke, Thommo's always seemed to be rough as guts, so you'd expect nothing else from him than to explode with the f-bombs he's been holding in as soon as he's off air, it's completely on-brand. Can't be tolerated of course, but who's really going to get offended about it?

Thommo pretty colourful type.
Pun intended.
Also wears colourful shirts ..

 

[LeakyValve]

Probably apocryphal, but Peter Willey facing Michael Holding:
The bowler's Holding......the batman's Willey.
Another unfortunate one is when Pakistan just beat the weather to defeat England for the first time
in England.
The game ended with dark storm-clouds descending on the ground and as excited Pakistani fans swarmed onto the oval, the commentator remarked:
"The game ends with a dirty, black crowd all over the ground."

 

[rocker_oz33]

Didn't they bring the boundaries in .
Because young player might of been Shaun Young broke he's leg on the fence .

 

[nobbyiscool]

Didn't they bring the boundaries in .
Because young player might of been Shaun Young broke he's leg on the fence .

Brad

 

[rocker_oz33]

Brad

Half right.
Or.
Half wrong .
.

 

[revo333]

Ian Healy I couldnt stand in the comm box .

Him and Slater insufferable.

 

[revo333]

Didn't they bring the boundaries in .
Because young player might of been Shaun Young broke he's leg on the fence .

The association I played in 7-8 years ago had to bring in a rule that all grounds be coned off from the boundary fence because a fielder injured himself and sued for about 700k.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Him and Slater insufferable.

Slater was on my tour in 05.
Seemed better in person.