Taylor Duryea elbow to Ballantyne

[dave123]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/vid...e/news-story/2dae3ea75dc2d8d48cbee1e7292b2a8a

Must be worth 2-3

If lindsay Thomas gets a week for high tackle then what is the penalty for an elbow to someone's face

I suspect this will get missed by the afl ...or not looked last because it's Ballentyne ......

Seriously dangerous to throw you're elbow back like he did ....must go

 

[kingswood71]

Threw the elbow back. High contact. Careless probably, benefit of the doubt....likely didnt mean to get Ballas in the head. Medium impact. 2 weeks down to 1.

 

[Bigs]

3 Brownlow votes and no case to answer for belting the little shit

 

[Mitchell54]

High Contact, Careless, low-medium impact. Agree 2 down to 1.
hopefully 1 down to fine. Thomas was a shocking decision imo. Thomas should have got a fine but thats all.

 

[ManOfClay]

Good 6-12 elbow. Needed to follow up after the initial stunner.

2 weeks though

 

[BF Tiger]

Rance got two. Don't see why Duryea should get any less.

 

[Xtreme]

3 Brownlow votes and no case to answer for belting the little shit

Not everyone is C.Judd

 

[HairyO]

Rance got two. Don't see why Duryea should get any less.

Rance deliberately hit a prone guy in the back of the head who had done nothing wrong.

Duryea was being pinned face on to the ground by Ballantyne and threw out the elbow unsighted to get him off him. If it gets more than a week it is the MRP punishing Hawthorn for being Hawthorn. It should only be a fine.

 

[kingswood71]

Rance got two. Don't see why Duryea should get any less.

Rance's was intentional. It could be argued that throwing the elbow back in this case was intentional, but the fact that he didnt know it was Balla's head he was likely to make contact with should make it careless contact to the head, rather than intentional contact to the head.
But its the MRP....anything could happen!

 

[kingswood71]

It should only be a fine.

I would not be upset if thats the result really.
Ballas came off, got checked and went back out, so maybe low impact would be a fair call. I guess it may depend on the Freo medical report....If he wakes up today with a bloody sore swollen jaw, then maybe medium.
What does amaze me though, is the umpire was maybe 2 metres away...that he didnt award a free kick is beyond me!

 

[dave123]

It's not a good look ....you throw an elbow back and you're not looking

If lindsay Thomas gets a week for high tackle essentially this must be two minimum ...3 to 2

The fact it's ballentyne means nothing ...nor should it

I met ballentyne two years ago at charity golf day ....top bloke

Don't judge a book by its cover ....he plays hard ...he niggles yes .....So bloody what

 

[FlapFlap]

2 down to 1, incredibly stupid from Duryea. Has been out of sorts all season

 

[THE EQUALIZER]

It's no worse than what Judd did to Pavlich in 2010 and he received no sanction under stricter rules.

A $1000 fine at worst.

 

[dave123]

2 down to 1, incredibly stupid from Duryea. Has been out of sorts all season

It was odd

If you threw your elbow back and you were both standing up he would have hit hi in the chest or ribs and no harm done ..because of where they were on the ground ....low.

Different outcome ....we often see elbows thrown backwards to get a guy off you ....maybe not with that force but mostly no one gets hurt

It was stupid ...and he got sucked into Ballentynes game

 

[dave123]

It's no worse than what Judd did to Pavlich in 2010 and he received no sanction under stricter rules.

A $1000 fine at worst.

Elbow to he face ....sorry you're a fool

 

[dave123]

Rance deliberately hit a prone guy in the back of the head who had done nothing wrong.

Duryea was being pinned face on to the ground by Ballantyne and threw out the elbow unsighted to get him off him. If it gets more than a week it is the MRP punishing Hawthorn for being Hawthorn. It should only be a fine.

Players get pinned all the time .....I have had a look and he wasn't pinned .....sorry that's lame excuse

If Ballentyne had done this to duryea you'd be screaming at him

Perspective needed

 

[HairyO]

I would not be upset if thats the result really.
Ballas came off, got checked and went back out, so maybe low impact would be a fair call. I guess it may depend on the Freo medical report....If he wakes up today with a bloody sore swollen jaw, then maybe medium.
What does amaze me though, is the umpire was maybe 2 metres away...that he didnt award a free kick is beyond me!

The sad thing about the game these days is no matter how poor the decisions can be from the umpires, none of it is surprising.

 

[kingswood71]

It's not a good look ....you throw an elbow back and you're not looking

If lindsay Thomas gets a week for high tackle essentially this must be two minimum ...3 to 2

The fact it's ballentyne means nothing ...nor should it

I met ballentyne two years ago at charity golf day ....top bloke

Don't judge a book by its cover ....he plays hard ...he niggles yes .....So bloody what

I agree...just because its Balla's should not be an excuse.
The MRP rules are strange...Yes, throwing an elbow back is an intentional act, but is that mitigated by the fact that he didnt know where the elbow was going to land, so careless rather than intentional contact to the head?
Its all open to strange interpretation. The act is intentional, but the result is not intentional as hitting the head wasnt the intention but it was careless? The MRP guide says "If the immediate consequence of an act is obvious and inevitable, the deliberate doing of the act carries with it evidence of an intention to produce the consequence." So he threw an elbow back. Thats intentional. But, was the intention to strike Ballas in the head? I dont know. On the balance of probability (Ballas on top, elbow thrown back but he couldnt see where it would land...) then the act was intentional, but the consequence was careless.....
Clear as mud really !
In some ways he owes a duty of care to not hit Ballas in the jaw with an elbow that was thrown intentionally...so the consequence of the elbow becomes intentional as the act was intentional.
This could go a few ways really...depends how the MRP see it.

 

[dave123]

I agree...just because its Balla's should not be an excuse.
The MRP rules are strange...Yes, throwing an elbow back is an intentional act, but is that mitigated by the fact that he didnt know where the elbow was going to land, so careless rather than intentional contact to the head?
Its all open to strange interpretation. The act is intentional, but the result is not intentional as hitting the head wasnt the intention but it was careless? The MRP guide says "If the immediate consequence of an act is obvious and inevitable, the deliberate doing of the act carries with it evidence of an intention to produce the consequence." So he threw an elbow back. Thats intentional. But, was the intention to strike Ballas in the head? I dont know. On the balance of probability (Ballas on top, elbow thrown back but he couldnt see where it would land...) then the act was intentional, but the consequence was careless.....
Clear as mud really !
In some ways he owes a duty of care to not hit Ballas in the jaw with an elbow that was thrown intentionally...so the consequence of the elbow becomes intentional as the act was intentional.
This could go a few ways really...depends how the MRP see it.

An an elbow isn't part of any footy skill

It's intentional .....the only time an elbow isn't is where an opponent runs into an elbow

This happened to someone a few weeks back. Jack darling had taken a mark or the ball ....his elbows were out

And the opposition literally ran into when trying to tackle darling .......that's very very rare I must say

Ballentyne was putting pressure on hi. But it wasn't sleeper hold or chicken wing

 

[kingswood71]

An an elbow isn't part of any footy skill

It's intentional .....the only time an elbow isn't is where an opponent runs into an elbow

This happened to someone a few weeks back. Jack darling had taken a mark or the ball ....his elbows were out

And the opposition literally ran into when trying to tackle darling .......that's very very rare I must say

Ballentyne was putting pressure on hi. But it wasn't sleeper hold or chicken wing

Yep 100% agree and players should not be throwing elbows back at all!...Hence, he will most likely get a break from playing. For 1 or 2 weeks will depend on how the MRP see's the actual consequence. Intentional or careless.
They could also say that he carelessly threw the elbow, in which case not intentional and therefore only a fine.

 

[dave123]

Yep 100% agree and players should not be throwing elbows back at all!...Hence, he will most likely get a break from playing. For 1 or 2 weeks will depend on how the MRP see's the actual consequence. Intentional or careless.
They could also say that he carelessly threw the elbow, in which case not intentional and therefore only a fine.

How do you carelessly throw an elbow back .....what are you trying to do with that elbow ....?

There should be no such thing

 

[DanWA]

Should get a match pay bonus!

On a serious note, should be a week at least, if it was a Hawthorn player on the receiving end this topic would be 10 pages in

 

[HairyO]

How do you carelessly throw an elbow back .....what are you trying to do with that elbow ....?

There should be no such thing

You throw your arm back to shove the guy off you. You accidentally collect his head with your elbow because he was unsighted because he was on top of you.

If you take the blinkers off its pretty easy to see how it can happen.

Players do this all the time, whether trying to break tackles, or getting an opponent off you in a marking contest, or when they jump on top of you in a scrum. Occasionally the swinging arm collects high.

Or do you think its 100% deliberate every time no matter the circumstance?

 

[dave123]

You throw your arm back to shove the guy off you. You accidentally collect his head with your elbow because he was unsighted because he was on top of you.

If you take the blinkers off its pretty easy to see how it can happen.

Players do this all the time, whether trying to break tackles, or getting an opponent off you in a marking contest, or when they jump on top of you in a scrum. Occasionally the swinging arm collects high.

Or do you think its 100% deliberate every time no matter the circumstance?

It was thrown with force and pointed ....you can simply roll Ballentyne off ...he weighs 70kg at best

He could have pushed his elbow back with far less force ...it was thrown at speed

No I don't think it was intent to hurt however fact is he hit him in the face with an elbow....it wasn't an accident

If this was Ballentyne dishing it up people would be all over this ....the same rule must apply ...Ballentyne had to go off the ground

 

[dave123]

Should get a match pay bonus!

On a serious note, should be a week at least, if it was a Hawthorn player on the receiving end this topic would be 10 pages in

I said earlier I met Ballentyne as charity golf day in Perth as he played in the group in front of us

He's a top bloke and genuine ...not stuck up .....asked questions and didn't balk about himself

I see the way he plays and think yup he pushed the boundary and he's received his suspensions from time to time ....

I have learnt a very valuable lesson in life ...don't judge a book by its cover