Some questions

[Lingsface]

I see similarities between Holmes and Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

, I’ve seen them both in action and they both posses amazing leg speed. Putting aside bias, who would you choose? (I’m happy with Holmes btw)

I have noticed we don’t have a player in the top 50 for contested possesions, to solve our clearance troubles we need a player who can get hands on it first and have the size to hold there ground and dish. A Cripps or Rowell type player, do we see anyone to fill this role I don’t think Blitz has the hand eye for this, how is George Stevens looking? Bowes could be the perfect difference in our midfield if he played this role, we have the pace with Holmes and Bruhn just need a consistent bull when paddy is gone. What are your thoughts on this?
(BTW love Conways second efforts)

 

[allrighty]

I've said it before we should go hard for the Dees Oliver

 

[catsfootyfan89]

Atkins and Holmes are both in the top 50 for contested possessions, by the way.

As for Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, I wouldn't go near him. The noises in the media align with things I've heard from a few players' families about what he's like. Seems like a huge dickhead and locker-room cancer. As this is purely anecdotal, feel free not to engage with this point.

I would like to see Holmes bulk up and move inside the contest more in the coming years. The kid has the 'never-flustered' disposition that you need. If he can get some extra strength, his leg drive and contested ball will only get better. He is the future captain of our club. Almost a certainty.

If we can snag a free agent from around the league aka Danger / Jezza, we're in good shape. A Bulldogs / Melbourne implosion would be ideal for us.

 

[Warhorse]

I see similarities between Holmes and Jordan Clark, I’ve seen them both in action and they both posses amazing leg speed. Putting aside bias, who would you choose? (I’m happy with Holmes btw)

I have noticed we don’t have a player in the top 50 for contested possesions, to solve our clearance troubles we need a player who can get hands on it first and have the size to hold there ground and dish. A Cripps or Rowell type player, do we see anyone to fill this role I don’t think Blitz has the hand eye for this, how is George Stevens looking? Bowes could be the perfect difference in our midfield if he played this role, we have the pace with Holmes and Bruhn just need a consistent bull when paddy is gone. What are your thoughts on this?
(BTW love Conways second efforts)

Clark has been amazing this year and his outside game and run have been better than Holmes. But I would take Holmes as we need mids and he is a much better contested player

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I see similarities between Holmes and Jordan Clark, I’ve seen them both in action and they both posses amazing leg speed. Putting aside bias, who would you choose? (I’m happy with Holmes btw)

I have noticed we don’t have a player in the top 50 for contested possesions, to solve our clearance troubles we need a player who can get hands on it first and have the size to hold there ground and dish. A Cripps or Rowell type player, do we see anyone to fill this role I don’t think Blitz has the hand eye for this, how is George Stevens looking? Bowes could be the perfect difference in our midfield if he played this role, we have the pace with Holmes and Bruhn just need a consistent bull when paddy is gone. What are your thoughts on this?
(BTW love Conways second efforts)

While the similarities are understood, how would you describe their differences?

Physically, Clark has slightly more bulk



Holmes is 21yo + Clark is 19yo
Holmes has played 63 games since 2021
Clark has played has played 11 games since 2023 (one game in 2023)

Stats comparison:
Holmes


Clark


Unfair to choose between the two, I think, because: while both are described as 'on ballers', Holmes stated he'd always regarded himself as an inside mid, whereas he's described as an outside mid, in articles. Holmes, when interviewed: "playing a bit on the wing and a bit inside so I can still develop both my inside and outside skills." Also focusing on kicking + contest work. Holmes' explosive pace is exciting when bounding out defence + up the ground.

Clark, at this stage is a project player, in whom the Club has faith + are prepared to invest in his development. There is contradictory commentary on his skills. Clark describes himself as "an inside mid who likes to go forward + kick a a goal, although, at 180cm, he says he’s “pretty small” compared to the modern-day mid." Others say he's an outside mid, lacking pace. This article states: "Clark has demonstrated a capable inside/outside midfield balance + has also played taller than his 180cm, providing a marking + goal kicking option forward of centre." He is dual footed. When entering the draft: "The hardened on-baller compounds his contested work by being able to get to the outside + lean on his clean fundamental skills. At the coalface, Clark does things at full intensity + drives low when putting his head over the ball." Next: "Jeremy Cameron, as a forward, is particularly excited to get on the end of Clark's handy work as both an inside + outside midfielder. “He's a bit of combination, I would say. He definitely wins his own ball + then he bursts away,”

Ultimately with the retirements of midfielders, surely there is room for both?

 

[Warhorse]

While the similarities are understood, how would you describe their differences?

Physically, Clark has slightly more bulk

View attachment 2009175 View attachment 2009176

Holmes is 21yo + Clark is 19yo
Holmes has played 63 games since 2021
Clark has played has played 11 games since 2023 (one game in 2023)

Stats comparison:
Holmes
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Clark
View attachment 2009180

Unfair to choose between the two, I think, because: while both are described as 'on ballers', Holmes stated he'd always regarded himself as an inside mid, whereas he's described as an outside mid, in articles. Holmes, when interviewed: "playing a bit on the wing and a bit inside so I can still develop both my inside and outside skills." Also focusing on kicking + contest work. Holmes' explosive pace is exciting when bounding out defence + up the ground.

Clark, at this stage is a project player, in whom the Club has faith + are prepared to invest in his development. There is contradictory commentary on his skills. Clark describes himself as "an inside mid who likes to go forward + kick a a goal, although, at 180cm, he says he’s “pretty small” compared to the modern-day mid." Others say he's an outside mid, lacking pace. This article states: "Clark has demonstrated a capable inside/outside midfield balance + has also played taller than his 180cm, providing a marking + goal kicking option forward of centre." He is dual footed. When entering the draft: "The hardened on-baller compounds his contested work by being able to get to the outside + lean on his clean fundamental skills. At the coalface, Clark does things at full intensity + drives low when putting his head over the ball." Next: "Jeremy Cameron, as a forward, is particularly excited to get on the end of Clark's handy work as both an inside + outside midfielder. “He's a bit of combination, I would say. He definitely wins his own ball + then he bursts away,”

Ultimately with the retirements of midfielders, surely there is room for both?

Not a bad post and comparison but I think the question was about Fremantles Jordon Clark

 

[CatToTheFuture]

While the similarities are understood, how would you describe their differences?

Physically, Clark has slightly more bulk

View attachment 2009175 View attachment 2009176

Holmes is 21yo + Clark is 19yo
Holmes has played 63 games since 2021
Clark has played has played 11 games since 2023 (one game in 2023)

Stats comparison:
Holmes
View attachment 2009178

Clark
View attachment 2009180

Unfair to choose between the two, I think, because: while both are described as 'on ballers', Holmes stated he'd always regarded himself as an inside mid, whereas he's described as an outside mid, in articles. Holmes, when interviewed: "playing a bit on the wing and a bit inside so I can still develop both my inside and outside skills." Also focusing on kicking + contest work. Holmes' explosive pace is exciting when bounding out defence + up the ground.

Clark, at this stage is a project player, in whom the Club has faith + are prepared to invest in his development. There is contradictory commentary on his skills. Clark describes himself as "an inside mid who likes to go forward + kick a a goal, although, at 180cm, he says he’s “pretty small” compared to the modern-day mid." Others say he's an outside mid, lacking pace. This article states: "Clark has demonstrated a capable inside/outside midfield balance + has also played taller than his 180cm, providing a marking + goal kicking option forward of centre." He is dual footed. When entering the draft: "The hardened on-baller compounds his contested work by being able to get to the outside + lean on his clean fundamental skills. At the coalface, Clark does things at full intensity + drives low when putting his head over the ball." Next: "Jeremy Cameron, as a forward, is particularly excited to get on the end of Clark's handy work as both an inside + outside midfielder. “He's a bit of combination, I would say. He definitely wins his own ball + then he bursts away,”

Ultimately with the retirements of midfielders, surely there is room for both?

Think he meant Jordan not Jye.

Ditto comments from Warhorse and I would add that Holmes 2022 as a full time wing was good enough to push Isaac Smith to the forward line in the year Smith won the norm.

By coincidence, Hello Kitty your analysis is a good answer to the second question though as I think Clark will be potentially as good as butters

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Not a bad post and comparison but I think the question was about Fremantles Jordon Clark

Think he meant Jordan not Jye.

Ditto comments from Warhorse and I would add that Holmes 2022 as a full time wing was good enough to push Isaac Smith to the forward line in the year Smith won the norm.

By coincidence, Hello Kitty your analysis is a good answer to the second question though as I think Clark will be potentially as good as butters

How embarrassment

Thank you for being kind

I’ll see myself out

Carry on!

 

[catsfootyfan89]

How embarrassment

Thank you for being kind

I’ll see myself out

Carry on!

Still a good post with good stuff throughout

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Still a good post with good stuff throughout

Thank you for saying that, it means a lot

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Think he meant Jordan not Jye.

Ditto comments from Warhorse and I would add that Holmes 2022 as a full time wing was good enough to push Isaac Smith to the forward line in the year Smith won the norm.

By coincidence, Hello Kitty your analysis is a good answer to the second question though as I think Clark will be potentially as good as butters

Didn’t know that, quite an achievement.

Thank you for you kind comment.

 

[Lingsface]

Atkins and Holmes are both in the top 50 for contested possessions, by the way.

As for Clayton Oliver, I wouldn't go near him. The noises in the media align with things I've heard from a few players' families about what he's like. Seems like a huge dickhead and locker-room cancer. As this is purely anecdotal, feel free not to engage with this point.

I would like to see Holmes bulk up and move inside the contest more in the coming years. The kid has the 'never-flustered' disposition that you need. If he can get some extra strength, his leg drive and contested ball will only get better. He is the future captain of our club. Almost a certainty.

If we can snag a free agent from around the league aka Danger / Jezza, we're in good shape. A Bulldogs / Melbourne implosion would be ideal for us.

Yes I am not interested in Oliver either or Bailey Smith.
We have players at 48-49 for averages and totals it’s just top 50, but you are right . It is a bit concerning I think a lot of the top teams have a couple in the top 25.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Not a bad post and comparison but I think the question was about Fremantles Jordon Clark

Thanks Warhorse. I’m a bit of a duffer. The two ‘J’s are very confusing

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes I am not interested in Oliver either or Bailey Smith.
We have players at 48-49 for averages and totals it’s just top 50, but you are right . It is a bit concerning I think a lot of the top teams have a couple in the top 25.

I think Oliver is a bad choice but Smith is young enough to grow with the group and a potentially quick, powerful, ball winning mid which exactly what we need. I see Smith as potentially a key cog in a rebuild not an alternative choice

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Thanks Warhorse. I’m a bit of a duffer. The two ‘J’s are very confusing

Easy mistake to make

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I think Oliver is a bad choice but Smith is young enough to grow with the group and a potentially quick, powerful, ball winning mid which exactly what we need. I see Smith as potentially a key cog in a rebuild not an alternative choice

Smith is a midfielder/forward? Read he rotates through different positions such as midfielder, wingman + forward.

Could we arrange a deal with Bulldogs? Smith + Lobb (know nothing about him, but not getting games)
Buy one + second is half price

 

[lettheboysplay]

Smith is a midfielder/forward? Read he rotates through different positions such as midfielder, wingman + forward.

Could we arrange a deal with Bulldogs? Smith + Lobb (know nothing about him, but not getting games)
Buy one + second is half price

We don't want Rory Lobb, trust me on this.

 

[My Third Nipple]

Would absolutely love to see Clarry in the hoops. I’m sure the Cats would be doing their due diligence before making an offer.
Inside bull, Premiership player, 3 x All Australian.
He’s a gun, he may have off feild issues but so did Stengle. A change of scenery, and the responsibility of leading a bunch of young kids might be exactly what he needs.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

We don't want Rory Lobb, trust me on this.

Spill the tea!!!

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

Smith is a midfielder/forward? Read he rotates through different positions such as midfielder, wingman + forward.

Could we arrange a deal with Bulldogs? Smith + Lobb (know nothing about him, but not getting games)
Buy one + second is half price

Yeah surely they’ll throw in Bailey Smith to get Lobb off their hands

 

[allrighty]

I think Oliver is a bad choice but Smith is young enough to grow with the group and a potentially quick, powerful, ball winning mid which exactly what we need. I see Smith as potentially a key cog in a rebuild not an alternative choice

We shall see on CO. IF we could get him right I'm sure the Dees would be happy to unload him.

Smith - needs your guy to give him a hairy.

 

[allrighty]

Would absolutely love to see Clarry in the hoops. I’m sure the Cats would be doing their due diligence before making an offer.
Inside bull, Premiership player, 3 x All Australian.
He’s a gun, he may have off feild issues but so did Stengle. A change of scenery, and the responsibility of leading a bunch of young kids might be exactly what he needs.

My points exactly. It seems there is more going on behind the scenes so we would need to do extensive DD of course.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Smith is a midfielder/forward? Read he rotates through different positions such as midfielder, wingman + forward.

Could we arrange a deal with Bulldogs? Smith + Lobb (know nothing about him, but not getting games)
Buy one + second is half price

Don't think we could play two of lobb and neale so wouldn't bother.

Reckon Smith gets thrown around into positions that don't suit because Bevo.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Would absolutely love to see Clarry in the hoops. I’m sure the Cats would be doing their due diligence before making an offer.
Inside bull, Premiership player, 3 x All Australian.
He’s a gun, he may have off feild issues but so did Stengle. A change of scenery, and the responsibility of leading a bunch of young kids might be exactly what he needs.

Thing about Oliver though is the trade cost. Smith wouldn't diminish a rebuild but Oliver might

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We shall see on CO. IF we could get him right I'm sure the Dees would be happy to unload him.

Smith - needs your guy to give him a hairy.

I think the Dee's would want our future fist in the deal and it's a brave line to cross