Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This (Stepping down end of 2025)

[TeeKray]

Carr was our midfield coach, in charge of the players you mention.

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

 

[Us against the rest]

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

 

[TeeKray]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

 

[Us against the rest]

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

Yes it's unfortunate that the playing as a whole has now become excepting of mediocrity. It seems to me that it's going to take more than just a change of head coach to fix this mess.

 

[afl2004]

So bored of this worst era of any team in the history of sports

 

[JimmyBC]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

 

[Doctor Feel]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

None of that cheap chinese stuff for him. Only aussie made cheap stuff.

 

[Schulzenfest]

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

And if Hinkley leaves and is replaced by Carr, they'll see him as part of that same culture. Is that his fault? Not necessarily, but it's the reality.

We need an outsider more than just about any club has ever needed an outsider in the history of football. I'd take Carr over Hinkley of course, but I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for improved finals performances under him either. Keeping in mind of course that he was part of the infamous finals chokes in '01, '02 and '03 as a player as well.

 

[JimmyBC]

None of that cheap chinese stuff for him. Only aussie made cheap stuff.

I don't reckon he even eats noodles

 

[Steve Dore]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

Have you seen the size of his pool? There's no room for noodles.

 

[Chewy316]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

I get you want to bash Carr here, and that's ok.

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

On many previous occasions when this team has been thumped, they haven't been able to win contested ball or clearances and their inside 50 count is dwarfed by the opponent's.

Pertaining to last year's finals series, the problem was not so much players not being up for the fight, but rather an ineffective gameplan which is directed by Ken.

And though I haven't spoken to Carr directly about this, I can confidently say that a Carr led gameplan would look pretty different across the field compared to what is currently in place.

 

[tribey]

- Hinkley admits to making the wrong decision by playing an injured Connor Rozee in the first Showdown of 2024 = "Connor could have said no to playing"

lol! I forgot about that.

During the week before that game didn’t he categorically dismiss those concerned about Rozee’s hamstring as “doomsayers”?

At what point does this guy actually held to account for anything?

 

[Doctor Feel]

lol! I forgot about that.

During the week before that game didn’t he categorically dismiss those concerned about Rozee’s hamstring as “doomsayers”?

At what point does this guy actually held to account for anything?

Its like, ok so you leave players to make their own decisions on selection, so tell me again what it is you actually do here?

Its no wonder Dixon kept getting games and just choosing what weeks he had off lmao.

 

[ClintEastwood]

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

Absolutely right.

 

[ClintEastwood]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

The head coach sets the tone and many other things. Hard for an assistant to change that, even if they wanted to. Also, the head coach sets an example for the whole group in the way they conduct themselves. If and when Carr is the head man, I expect some change.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I get you want to bash Carr here, and that's ok.

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

On many previous occasions when this team has been thumped, they haven't been able to win contested ball or clearances and their inside 50 count is dwarfed by the opponent's.

Pertaining to last year's finals series, the problem was not so much players not being up for the fight, but rather an ineffective gameplan which is directed by Ken.

And though I haven't spoken to Carr directly about this, I can confidently say that a Carr led gameplan would look pretty different across the field compared to what is currently in place.

Is there any chance Ken gets this CarrLed game plan forced on him this year?

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[Peninsula Boy]

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

Whatever stats you want to throw out for the midfield in recent finals, they have been the main reason for our defeats and have usually rolled over just before or after half time. Sometimes in the first quarter like with the Bulldogs.

It has been so bad since the Rozee, Butters led midfield that I've actually softened a little bit on my harsh stance on Boak and Wines when they were the main cogs in the midfield back in the day because the coaching, strategies, tactics, attitude have been overawed by the opposition coaching knowing like clockwork how to stop our midfield and gameplan.

 

[Chewy316]

Is there any chance Ken gets this CarrLed game plan forced on him this year?

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Zero. This is still Ken's show until he's gone, though I will acknowledge there has been some push from CD in particular that they need to be evolving in a new direction with both the gameplan and the personnel.

 

[Doctor Feel]

"new personnel" like Sutcliffe and Daniel Merrett lol.

 

[El_Scorcho]

"new gameplan" like Pagan's paddocking Jed McEntee

 

[Doctor Feel]

The Runway with Rory Atkins

 

[JimmyBC]

I think if we can use the noodles in actual games we could win the flag.

 

[PowerLil]

Zero. This is still Ken's show until he's gone, though I will acknowledge there has been some push from CD in particular that they need to be evolving in a new direction with both the gameplan and the personnel.

Holy Toledo Batman. WTF is going on down there? Are they actually brain dead? Lol. "Ken's show." More re-runs than Friends.

 

[Chewy316]

Holy Toledo Batman. WTF is going on down there? Are they actually brain dead? Lol. "Ken's show." More re-runs than Friends.

Well he's the senior coach so of course the program is going to be run in his image, and it will continue that way until he's gone, at which point it will be Carr's program. That concept shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

 

[wgt]

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

yeh- nah, there's something wrong if you want to be head coach to sit there and go through an endless cycle of Hinklyness waiting for the board to rubber stamp your position. Like i said previously if Josh wasnt a former player there would be about 5 percent support for him being a head coach, and if you say thats not true then you should be saying Nathan Basset was a missed opportunity because he's got 2 sanfl premierships to his name? I'd support Josh if he showed some guts last year and went into the board and said if you want Hinkley then thats fine but i feel im ready now and if thats the way you want to go then im off, the worst thing is he's just biding time which shows he's a benign personality and has no drive to win a premiership but rather keep the crowd happy and meet some KPI's that will keep his job. It stinks, anyones love for Josh is either "because he's a past player" or because "Ken and Koch told me so" outside of that its a whole heap of vanilla tendencies.