Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[Marmozet]

No matter what the circumstance, Hinkley is never the one in the wrong:

- 2021 PF /North Melbourne 2019/ Any disastrous performance you can think of = "It's the players fault for not turning up. Kenny can't kick it for them. Kenny wouldn't be coaching them to kick it to the opposition"

- Hinkley laughing seconds before Jordan Dawson kicked the match-winner after the siren = "He was only laughing because it shouldn't have been Dawson taking the shot"

- Hinkley admits to making the wrong decision by playing an injured Connor Rozee in the first Showdown of 2024 = "Connor could have said no to playing"

 

[Us against the rest]

Even when Hinkley goes, the fact that all 3 of Butters, Rozee and JHF have zero good games in the finals is an issue that needs to be looked at too.

This is a very good point, all the more reason to hunt far and wide for the best possible coach when the time comes.

Carr was our midfield coach, in charge of the players you mention.

 

[TeeKray]

Carr was our midfield coach, in charge of the players you mention.

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

 

[Us against the rest]

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

 

[TeeKray]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

 

[Us against the rest]

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

Yes it's unfortunate that the playing as a whole has now become excepting of mediocrity. It seems to me that it's going to take more than just a change of head coach to fix this mess.

 

[afl2004]

So bored of this worst era of any team in the history of sports

 

[JimmyBC]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

 

[Doctor Feel]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

None of that cheap chinese stuff for him. Only aussie made cheap stuff.

 

[Schulzenfest]

They've been taught from the moment they walked into the club that winning isn't important and that being a good person is the most important thing. This is an attitude that is culturally ingrained across the entire club from top to bottom. Nothing Carr says or does before a big game is going to override the lack of ambition that results from this culture.

And if Hinkley leaves and is replaced by Carr, they'll see him as part of that same culture. Is that his fault? Not necessarily, but it's the reality.

We need an outsider more than just about any club has ever needed an outsider in the history of football. I'd take Carr over Hinkley of course, but I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for improved finals performances under him either. Keeping in mind of course that he was part of the infamous finals chokes in '01, '02 and '03 as a player as well.

 

[JimmyBC]

None of that cheap chinese stuff for him. Only aussie made cheap stuff.

I don't reckon he even eats noodles

 

[Steve Dore]

You reckon Kenny plays with those noodle things in his pool?

Have you seen the size of his pool? There's no room for noodles.

 

[Chewy316]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

I get you want to bash Carr here, and that's ok.

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

On many previous occasions when this team has been thumped, they haven't been able to win contested ball or clearances and their inside 50 count is dwarfed by the opponent's.

Pertaining to last year's finals series, the problem was not so much players not being up for the fight, but rather an ineffective gameplan which is directed by Ken.

And though I haven't spoken to Carr directly about this, I can confidently say that a Carr led gameplan would look pretty different across the field compared to what is currently in place.

 

[tribey]

- Hinkley admits to making the wrong decision by playing an injured Connor Rozee in the first Showdown of 2024 = "Connor could have said no to playing"

lol! I forgot about that.

During the week before that game didn’t he categorically dismiss those concerned about Rozee’s hamstring as “doomsayers”?

At what point does this guy actually held to account for anything?

 

[Doctor Feel]

lol! I forgot about that.

During the week before that game didn’t he categorically dismiss those concerned about Rozee’s hamstring as “doomsayers”?

At what point does this guy actually held to account for anything?

Its like, ok so you leave players to make their own decisions on selection, so tell me again what it is you actually do here?

Its no wonder Dixon kept getting games and just choosing what weeks he had off lmao.

 

[ClintEastwood]

It's not Carr's responsibility as midfield coach to address the cultural failings that lead to mental weakness, lack of resilience and a pervading loser attitude across the entire club and playing group.

If and when he becomes head coach we can judge his progress on these measures.

Absolutely right.

 

[ClintEastwood]

I agree with what you say about mental weakness across the whole club but as part of the coaching group, in particular the mid field group, he has to take some responsibility as well as the other coaches.

The last time I checked, Carr was part of the coaching group, you would think that he would at least have the mids up and firing for big games, or do they just see Josh as part of the weak club we have become.

This coaching game in modern times is a group of coaches, not just Donuts calling the shots, if Carr can't get his midfield group up for finals well may be he should not be the future coach of Port Adelaide.

The head coach sets the tone and many other things. Hard for an assistant to change that, even if they wanted to. Also, the head coach sets an example for the whole group in the way they conduct themselves. If and when Carr is the head man, I expect some change.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I get you want to bash Carr here, and that's ok.

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

On many previous occasions when this team has been thumped, they haven't been able to win contested ball or clearances and their inside 50 count is dwarfed by the opponent's.

Pertaining to last year's finals series, the problem was not so much players not being up for the fight, but rather an ineffective gameplan which is directed by Ken.

And though I haven't spoken to Carr directly about this, I can confidently say that a Carr led gameplan would look pretty different across the field compared to what is currently in place.

Is there any chance Ken gets this CarrLed game plan forced on him this year?

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[Peninsula Boy]

But when you look at the raw numbers of the finals, the midfield at the very least broke even on contested ball, clearances and inside 50s.

Whatever stats you want to throw out for the midfield in recent finals, they have been the main reason for our defeats and have usually rolled over just before or after half time. Sometimes in the first quarter like with the Bulldogs.

It has been so bad since the Rozee, Butters led midfield that I've actually softened a little bit on my harsh stance on Boak and Wines when they were the main cogs in the midfield back in the day because the coaching, strategies, tactics, attitude have been overawed by the opposition coaching knowing like clockwork how to stop our midfield and gameplan.