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It looks like Tippa and Libba have saved themselves from being round 8 trades.
It will now be Menadue for Petracca and Mills for Rocky (unless he stinks it up tomorrow).
Everyone on my bench has scored so much better than my on ground crap.
It will now be Menadue for Petracca and Mills for Rocky (unless he stinks it up tomorrow).
Everyone on my bench has scored so much better than my on ground crap.
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It looks like Tippa and Libba have saved themselves from being round 8 trades.
It will now be Menadue for Petracca and Mills for Rocky (unless he stinks it up tomorrow).
Everyone on my bench has scored so much better than my on ground crap.
Did you watch the game? If so, what's with Callum Mills? Role change? Injury?
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Libba, Wallis, Dahlhaus and Bont all benefited from less midfield rotations as we omitted two inside mids (Stevens and Jong) for two forwards (Redpath and Daniel). The set up was similar to last year and ensured those guys played more minutes onball.
Imo Libba is a M9 type. Sure he hasn't been scoring well but he's coming back from injury and has averaged 97 and 98 in his last two full years of football. I think he's starting to find some confidence.
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Might hold McCarthy with Mitch Brown's good form warranting him an onfield defensive spot currently, so McCarthy can rot at F8 until a good forward rookie comes around.
Mills and Gray are on the chopping block obviously though, cutting Gray (was part of my plan the lesser 2 of Gray, Wells and Kerridge would get cut for upgrades) would leave me more cash for further upgrades.
Will be interesting to see who's available and stuff next week, would love to bring in Steven who should bottom out this week, but depends on availabilities.
Mills and Gray are on the chopping block obviously though, cutting Gray (was part of my plan the lesser 2 of Gray, Wells and Kerridge would get cut for upgrades) would leave me more cash for further upgrades.
Will be interesting to see who's available and stuff next week, would love to bring in Steven who should bottom out this week, but depends on availabilities.
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Id cut McCarthy before Gray. McCarthy is only going to loose money, where as gray could be back.
I am going to hold gray for a few weeks, to see if he gets back in the team. I just have a feeling he has the hallmarks of a player that you will regret trading out. For me, fielding petracca for example over him, you don't loose points.
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McCarthy is injured and has a history of injury
Imo he won't play for weeks = no cash lost until he returns, he can rot at F8 where he won't be needed until I move Petracca forward or another good forward rook comes up.
Gray has to return, I don't like holding nearly 1.5m of players on my bench while my team isn't finished (Laird, Sitchell and Gray), turning Gray into a premium mid if he isn't named next week is a high priority, also Kerridge and Wells will average more than him, so Gray is the weakest link there.
I eventually want a forwardline of Hall, Zerrett, Zorko, Dahlhaus, Barlow, 1 of Dusty/Montagna and 1 of Kerridge/Wells to be proper back up.
There's no value in holding Gray if he's out if favour, the quickest you complete your team the better, look at DatBirds team for example, he's nailed his speculative picks like Wines, Viney and Pittard so far (though him being a Port fan helps
) and means he has less upgrades to make.
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I don't either. Look at what Polec did after one week in the two's. I think they would be expecting something similar from Gray.If he comes in favour next week/the week after you are closer to finishing your team without burning a trade
Personally I don't think he is worth ditching just yet.
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He's only averaging 79 though, way less than Wells and KerridgeIf he comes in favour next week/the week after you are closer to finishing your team without burning a trade
Personally I don't think he is worth ditching just yet.
Sure he could improve a bit, but he won't be a top forward, something I want to have is the best 6 forwards at seasons end, I think I have four already, I need two more (Dahl, Montagna, Dusty etc).
Also, he seems to score well when he's allowed to run free (something he could do last year without Polec and White around), I don't think his inside work is that great, he reminds me of the Matt Wrights a bit.
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We weren't spoiled by Kerridge and Wells as FWD eligible rookies though that year, I think we had Polec and a few decent defensive rooks like KK, Langdon and McDonald etc but there was nothing that stood out that I can remember.79 is a good average for an F7/M9 come seasons end. I think it was you that used the C.Wingard example in your best year
Midpricers dominated that year like Swallow, Suckling, Sandi, Stef Martin, Miles etc, with all of them as keepers/great bench cover except Suckling (I had to hold him due to no trades, but he was a liability late that year).
I see no value in holding someone in a certain position when you can upgrade him to someone who is scoring 20-30 more points a week than him
There is 14 onfield FWD/MID positions
I have 12 players who are outperforming him and 6 of them are forwards
Treloar
Sitchell
Titchell
Ward
Danger
GAJ
Zerrett
Hall
Barlow
Zorko
Kerridge
Wells
If he doesn't play, I think it would make sense to bring in a 13th player who is outperforming him, then a Petracca/Keays/Smith takes the 14th spot in the short term. Smith likely gets upgraded to a premium after my defensive rookies have mooed.
If I hold Gray as the 13th if he comes back, then I look at bringing in a premium defender and iI move Bartel into midfield temporarily while my defensive rookies moo, which means my onfield rookies only come from defence and on current form, my defensive rookies in Wagner and Brown are arguably better than midfield rookies.
I expected Mills to score >80 against Essendon yet he was rarely seen after 1/4 time. Wasn't on the bench for extended periods (80% game time) so I can't explain his lack of ball. 3 frees against didn't help.
It was going to be Libba for Rocky next week but this week's scores have changed that trade.
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I have players like Ablett, Cripps, etc... that I could upgrade to someone averaging 20-30 points more then them. What is the point of burning a trade?
Keeping a player like McCarthy, who won't make money, you can't chuck an emergency on will mean that moving forward you will have a worse team.
For example, you have Chol, McCarthy, Dunkley, Davis, Tucker on the pine. Where are you going to be making money? At least S. Gray can serve a purpose, where as the players I listed can't
Edit: Tucker and Dunkley are worth keeping till the play their third (If they play their 3rd), but the others are a much higher priority trades then Gray
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Agreed.
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We have 8 blokes on the bench, 3 blokes I rely on weren't playing this week which hurts, two were keepers.
Chol will likely go to F8 once a decent ruck rookie/back up ruck option comes along, likely via a sideways trade from a maxed out rookie, so I get a R3/F7 swap which is crucial later in the year when I'm out of trades, but not at the moment while I have trades/other priorities. With Richmond in poor form there is every chance they'll throw him in eventually as he played in preseason.
Dunkley and Tucker will come back, not worried at all there, I'm taking them like what I did starting with Petracca. Davis will become Darcy Macpherson in two weeks probably.
Yes Gray will serve a playing purpose IF he plays next week, IF he doesn't then he is dead to me. I've said many times that Wells and Kerridge are better and Kerridge has arguably had more AFL experience than Gray also with Kerridge having a breakout year with a change if scenery.
Them two are more important than Gray with 1 as a sideways trade to a premo and the other as bench cover and I only see them as forwards. My plan was always to turn them into premiums in due course, but they are performing better than expected while Gray and Barlow have been poor at times, but Barlows value is greater than Grays, so instead of both Wells and Kerridge being moved on, I've conceded it's the worse of Wells and Kerridge with Gray as the other to be moved on to be turned into premiums.
Cash generation will come, it's just varied at the moment due to injuries/omissions and I don't see an issue with that as rookies will be culled strategically to benefit my team.
I think you are thinking in AFL Fantasy mode a bit here, RDT is extremely tactical, you make moves based on circumstance/structure etc but they have to be calculated to benefit your team in either the short term or long term. In AFLF, cash generation is a must and you get two trades a week every week to use, but it's largely a game based on catch up and finishing your team as quick as possible to be competitive, here in RDT there's more variety with our teams and less opportunities to rage trade underperforming players, we capitalise on good weeks, we then have to hold ground when we can't capitalise, I think I have held ground this week looking around.
The most important thing in this game however is making sure the best players from each position are in our teams at some stage of the year, preferably around the byes so we get 10 weeks of consistently big scores. I have made mistakes finishing my team too quickly in the past on players who were of good value but ultimately weren't the best players in their positions and were liabilities late in the season.
I have had Suckling, Ebert, Wallis, Motlop, NicNat, Hibberd etc as players who sat at say D5-6/M7-8/F5-6/R2 at times over the last two years and by far they were weak links in my team and carrying 3-4 of these guys every week for months while having a "completed team" cost me 50-100 points weekly. My defence last year was the worst, Laird was my best defender with an 86 avg or something, had Simpson, Birchall, Higgins, Hibberd, Newnes etc also and they only averaged 79-85, Laird, Simpson and Birchall were value picks but only Laird performed as a top 6-8 type. Not having Heater, Hodge and Picken killed my scoring power.
I see all of Gray, Kerridge and Wells as these types of players in due course and at best only one can be a keeper as bench cover. Using their high value to gain players who can score 15-30ppw more in due course is a must.
If I had a full team in this week then I'd be looking at well over 2200 and not a problem in the world (Gray plays over Petracca, Sitchell over Mills and Laird over Ruggles). I'm sitting on 1803 and should get 2050-2100 with 3 solid players left, I'm pretty happy considering it looked doom and gloom on Friday night when Gray was omitted and Sitchell was a late withdrawal. I expect Sitchell will come back and I'll upgrade somewhere = 2 more premiums next week than what I had this week. Brown and Wagner are flying up in value also, they'll easily become premium defenders in due course.
Cripps you should keep as a M9, he's a perfect M9 and should be the last player you move on from onfield, everyone has GAJ and he hasn't gone below 80 yet IIRC, he's in a rut, but he'll bounce back, he's a champion.
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So me thinking trading rookies that have peaked and not playing verse trading a 400K player selected as a premo to start with is fantasy thinking? I think you have it the wrong way around to be honest.
Davis, Chol, McCarthy will NOT generate you money and will not offer anything to your team, except when they play again may loose you money.
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I think you are thinking short term in an extra premo in the team next week, rather then long term RDT and culling dead wood which Davis, McCarthy are. You also have Mills who is maxed out and needs moving on.
In my opinion you are thinking short term gain as opposed to developing the team over the season.
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Anyway go you pups I think we are just playing different strategies..... Will be interesting to see how it pans out.
I am moving on rookies that are maxed out straight away (as soon as possible) and using my trades on genuine downgrade/upgrade options.
I made a couple of initial selection changes early, but now it is about seeing the rooks moo and moving them to a premo.
In my team, I will keep gray 2/3 weeks to see if he comes back revitalised rather then wasting a trade I may regret. I have confidence in my rooks like petracca/papley to step up in his absence rather then a knee jerk reaction
I am moving on rookies that are maxed out straight away (as soon as possible) and using my trades on genuine downgrade/upgrade options.
I made a couple of initial selection changes early, but now it is about seeing the rooks moo and moving them to a premo.
In my team, I will keep gray 2/3 weeks to see if he comes back revitalised rather then wasting a trade I may regret. I have confidence in my rooks like petracca/papley to step up in his absence rather then a knee jerk reaction
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Like I said, Davis = MacPherson = 100k made, his BE is only 42, he should get that or go close if he plays next week = minimal money lost, but I have a feeling Rocket will use MacPherson as his pressure small forward instead.
McCarthy is injured (ankle) and is sitting at F8, he will be moved on in due course for the RIGHT option, the only fwd rookie at the moment is Petracca who I have already, there were a few rookies who have debuted recently but have not looked like must haves. Geelong will not take any risks with him due to his injury history, if he was my regular F6/7 then he'd be a high priority trade, but at the moment I can wait on him if needed, if Gray comes back next week then il probably move him on insteadband get in a premium defender via DPP.
Mills has peaked, his value is high, he needs to be moved on which I will this week and he will either become like a Keays type or a premium (DPP up my sleeve if needed from defence).
Gray not playing is a problem, I'm losing his 79 points a week holding him having to use a Mills for example instead which is yoyo like. I'd rather just upgrade him to a premium like Jack Steven and be done with it if he doesn't return, but it depends on team selection, so being versatile and keeping my options open is important.
Rookies are currently scarce, only Smith, Petracca and maybe Keays will be must haves from this current bunch, so that's been a reason why I am reluctant to move on a Davis so far.
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Gray isn't knee jerk though, he's played 6 games 1 100, 2 80s, a 70 a 67 and a 55, it's rookie like scoring and his JS is poor. Barlow has been poor only twice, and subpar once (75), but has tonned up twice and scored a 99 and a 84, inconsistent but you take the good with the bad.
I will always take points>>>>>cash but I still realise the importance of cash.
Anyways, can only speculate what we do, but I'm very wary of my recent history in why I haven't been able to sustain a top 100 challenge with the bye rounds being my only advantage by prioritising completing my team and having 18 players available every week those weeks (got burnt by Edwards and Kavanagh for example one week during the byes, got like 24 points from the two players and they were subbed off/on for each other, I would have been happier with a donut and remaining trades in that case).
In 2014 a lack of scoring power hurt with my midfield being a bit meh, though I came 31st due to having durable players and bench cover helping through the injury carnage late in the year and was 24th through the byes, but my medium rank was about 80-90 most of that year, last year was plain catch up, I made too many bad starting choices and paid the price, particularly down back and up forward. So my main objective this year is to field as many top players from each position as possible and see how I go.
