Traded Oscar Allen [Joins Brisbane as RFA]

[Scotland]

So he'd be moving for roughly the same that WCE would be offering him?

Right....

Yes because we lowballed him by not offering him more than he can get elsewhere. Media 101.

 

[THE_GUN]

So he'd be moving for roughly the same that WCE would be offering him?

Right....

Well we dont know what the eagles are offering and by the sounds of it he has been low balled
If he gets $150k more a year and 2 extra years as well as being a chance to play in a flag - Why not

 

[bzparkes]

Well we dont know what the eagles are offering and by the sounds of it he has been low balled
If he gets $150k more a year and 2 extra years as well as being a chance to play in a flag - Why not

What's 'lowballed' exactly?

 

[Chip Scab1]

Yes because we lowballed him by not offering him more than he can get elsewhere. Media 101.

You blokes have got yourselves into a bit of a pickle with this one.

I'm assuming this is all a ruse to facilitate Band 1 compo and a job for life, post-career.

No other outcome makes sense.

 

[bungalow_bill]

It boils down to this.

Eagles - top 3 pick
Lions - A ready made key forward.
Win/win
If he comes to the Lions it's almost a certainty the Eagles will get a top 3 pick.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It's a hard decision, but given the Eagles are years away from competing for a flag, it makes sense to get the compensation pick and let him go. There are at least two WA players in the top 10 in this draft, Fred Rodriguez and Cody Curtin, so West Coast may as well try to get both. Having Cody probably puts them in the box seat to get his brother if he ever requests a trade home too.

 

[Scotland]

Well we dont know what the eagles are offering and by the sounds of it he has been low balled
If he gets $150k more a year and 2 extra years as well as being a chance to play in a flag - Why not

No one knows shit, but the media still run with it like they have a copy of a signed contract in their hands.

Last week he was signed sealed delivered to Hawthorn, now that's gone quiet.

At the moment Allen seems to be simultaneously being driven out of WC with a lowball offer in the hope of FA compo but also a risky pick up for Brisbane and Hawthorn (or anyone else). Maybe he wants to play in a better team or has the shits with our admin but the idea that WC will push him out the door for a pick in the 20s is ridiculous.

 

[Cleric]

I'm still at a loss that clubs are actually contemplating paying him 900k a year on a long term contract.
If he is worth 900k, what would Darcy and Thilthorpe be worth on the open market.

 

[Elixuh]

I'm still at a loss that clubs are actually contemplating paying him 900k a year on a long term contract.
If he is worth 900k, what would Darcy and Thilthorpe be worth on the open market.

Probably 800k

 

[Cleric]

Probably 800k

And a mid first.

 

[Shueygod]

Probably 800k

It will be band one money so there doesn’t need to be a trade.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It will be band one money so there doesn’t need to be a trade.

It can be anything. The AFL can decide to give Eagles band 1 compo regardless.

 

[blueiris]

Are we sure it was Hawthorn? I'm not in the know but where did the Brissy stuff come from or the reports about his WC offer and desire to stay in if they got closer.

I suspect it might be OA management that is doing the leaking, originally to apply pressure to WC and now possible to save face. Just my theory.

Lions have apparently been linked to Oscar since Joey retired last season Hawthorn wants Reid it’s just a smoke screen Mitchell knows what he’s doing

 

[boncer34]

It can be anything. The AFL can decide to give Eagles band 1 compo regardless.

No way. The AFL wouldn't use keeping their formula a secret as a way to just give out whatever they want.

 

[HeHateMe]

What formula I thought they just spun one of these.

 

[briztoon]

So he'd be moving for roughly the same that WCE would be offering him?

Right....

How do you know WC have offered him $800k per? over how many years?

If Oscar was offered $800k per x6 by West Coast, I believe he would have signed the day that offer hit his agents desk.

 

[bzparkes]

How do you know WC have offered him $800k per? over how many years?

If Oscar was offered $800k per x6 by West Coast, I believe he would have signed the day that offer hit his agents desk.

Doubtful. He's already on that, or slightly more.

We're offering 4 + 2 based on a lot of triggers, supposedly.

WCE aren't going to offer their captain less money than he's already on.

 

[briztoon]

Doubtful. He's already on that, or slightly more.

We're offering 4 + 2 based on a lot of triggers, supposedly.

WCE aren't going to offer their captain less money than he's already on.

It's the triggers that are the concerns, especially if they reduce the base pay of the contract, to say $600k per. The AFL don't include triggers or bonuses when determining compensation, so why would Oscar consider such an offer.

So West Coast aren't offering $800k x 6, they're offering $600k x 4 + bonuses for staying injury free and games played.

So if Oscar really doesn't want to move interstate, he hopes West Coast match Brisbane/Hawks offer and he stays on that.

 

[THE_GUN]

It's the triggers that are the concerns, especially if they reduce the base pay of the contract, to say $600k per. The AFL don't include triggers or bonuses when determining compensation, so why would Oscar consider such an offer.

So West Coast aren't offering $800k x 6, they're offering $600k x 4 + bonuses for staying injury free and games played.

So if Oscar really doesn't want to move interstate, he hopes West Coast match Brisbane/Hawks offer and he stays on that.

Thats exactly my thoughts also

I just cant see Brisbane paying him 6 x $900+
If the eagles offer was decent he would not be looking around , A WA bot and team captain
Waited for kennedy to take the mantle and now talking to clubs when you can tell he just wants to stay

If eagles match he will stay

 

[bzparkes]

It's the triggers that are the concerns, especially if they reduce the base pay of the contract, to say $600k per. The AFL don't include triggers or bonuses when determining compensation, so why would Oscar consider such an offer.

So West Coast aren't offering $800k x 6, they're offering $600k x 4 + bonuses for staying injury free and games played.

So if Oscar really doesn't want to move interstate, he hopes West Coast match Brisbane/Hawks offer and he stays on that.

With the CBA that's highly doubtful.

More like he's gotten offers a couple hundred k more than what WCE are offering, which don't include triggers, for more years.

 

[briztoon]

With the CBA that's highly doubtful.

More like he's gotten offers a couple hundred k more than what WCE are offering, which don't include triggers, for more years.

I mean, if the club really wants him, then they’ll pay whatever is required to trigger band 1 compensation.

I personally have two reservations.

Is Oscars heart really in to moving? Daniher and Dunkley really wanted out of Victoria and to keep playing footy.

All the speculation on West Coasts board is that Oscar doesn’t want to leave WC, but also wants what he considers he’s worth.


Secondly, how bad is Oscars knee? if West Coast are willing to let their captain walk at the end of the season.

 

[bzparkes]

I mean, if the club really wants him, then they’ll pay whatever is required to trigger band 1 compensation.

I personally have two reservations.

Is Oscars heart really in to moving? Daniher and Dunkley really wanted out of Victoria and to keep playing footy.

All the speculation on West Coasts board is that Oscar doesn’t want to leave WC, but also wants what he considers he’s worth.


Secondly, how bad is Oscars knee? if West Coast are willing to let their captain walk at the end of the season.

Knee's about as bad as Kennedy's and he played until what, 33?

Doesn't want to leave but realistically, the club needs him to to get more top end talent onto the list.

 

[briztoon]

Knee's about as bad as Kennedy's and he played until what, 33?

Doesn't want to leave but realistically, the club needs him to to get more top end talent onto the list.

Don’t know how bad Kennedy’s was.

So we’re back to WC offering unders to advance their list build.

I’ve no problem with teams letting players go for draft picks, but be upfront about it.

 

[Shueygod]

Don’t know how bad Kennedy’s was.

So we’re back to WC offering unders to advance their list build.

I’ve no problem with teams letting players go for draft picks, but be upfront about it.

Upfront with it to who?

 

[bzparkes]

I mean, if the club really wants him, then they’ll pay whatever is required to trigger band 1 compensation.

I personally have two reservations.

Is Oscars heart really in to moving? Daniher and Dunkley really wanted out of Victoria and to keep playing footy.

All the speculation on West Coasts board is that Oscar doesn’t want to leave WC, but also wants what he considers he’s worth.


Secondly, how bad is Oscars knee? if West Coast are willing to let their captain walk at the end of the season.

Doubt he wants to leave but if someone's offering you more money and winning games/maybe a premiership when the team you're in is miles off it, just take the offer IMO.

Don’t know how bad Kennedy’s was.

So we’re back to WC offering unders to advance their list build.

I’ve no problem with teams letting players go for draft picks, but be upfront about it.

Pretty obvious WCE are doing exactly this but they can't exactly come out and say it. Oscar would know though.