Michael Voss must be held accountable!

[South of the Yarra]

Since Michael Voss has taken over as coach, the Lions have fallen apart. His players have shown a distinct lack of off field discipline which Voss himself did through his pub incident. His poor recruiting and bad decision making has led to the decline of the club. The purchase of mature recruits has failed and he has had both staff and players walking from the club left, right and centre. Do you think Voss will last the season and is he the right man for the job at Brisbane? I think he must go if Brisbane is to move forward again.

 

[JDogg]

We finished 6th in his first year as coach. Yes, last year was a bit of a train wreck but shit happens.

Give the bloke a break.

 

[Kruges!]

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a Brisbane supporting mate a while back. His argument was "But in Vossy's first year, we came sixth so he can't be too bad". While I agree with that to an extent, he MUST be held responsible for what happened last year. You cannot draft and recruit as he did and not expect to come under scrutiny. He's left a hole in the club which won't be fixed any time soon.

 

[South of the Yarra]

We finished 6th in his first year as coach. Yes, last year was a bit of a train wreck but shit happens.

Give the bloke a break.

Fair point but was that due to Voss or the previous set up. I just think his recruiting and decision making has been a disaster.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Fair point but was that due to Voss or the previous set up. I just think his recruiting and decision making has been a disaster.

How much say does he have in drafting players/trading players however? I know at hawthorn Clarkson does have a final say when everyone is 50/50 but does it happen at every club?

 

[Loyal Lion]

Fair point but was that due to Voss or the previous set up. I just think his recruiting and decision making has been a disaster.

Vossy certainly had some allies in his decison making last year. Some if not all, are gone now...Allan & Bowers the notable ones.

I don't blame him for having a go to improve the list. Just wasn't executed well.

If he had topped up our list with kids instead of mature aged recruits, we may have finished in the eight again. Who knows ? But if we had kept Bradshaw, his loss through injuries would have crippled us.

After the Bulldogs final in 2009, It was apparent that we needed to do something to inject experience & class into our squad.

 

[South of the Yarra]

How much say does he have in drafting players/trading players however? I know at hawthorn Clarkson does have a final say when everyone is 50/50 but does it happen at every club?

Another valid point that I guess none of us can answer. I would hope though that Senior coaches have a large input.

 

[Dan26]

It's a make or break year for Voss. He's had one good year, one poor year. If the young players don't develop this year, they are a genuine contender - possibly the favourite - for the wooden spoon, and very few wooden spoon coaches survive.

 

[damochandler]

i have a feeling, if the lions don't win a game in the first 5. he won't be the coach. if they have an ordinary year again this year. he will certainly be out the door

 

[Powerade 08]

First time AFL coach and he seems to have zero support staff, or has been given way too much control.

Yea, i'm sure sacking Voss will fix everything.

 

[mwalker]

Whether Vossy should be held accountable is one question but there is no doubt that a poor year from BL will see him that one that is sacked and used as the scapegoat.

As others have suggested we don't know if he gets final say in recruiting so whether he deserves it or not he will be the one that goes.

 

[questeds]

Hmm, funny how this thread was started and dominated by Pies!

I agree that he has to answer his critics, but to sack the guy off the back of one bad season is rough! I guess it is just how sport is these days!

Think back to the beginning of the season when Johnno Brown and Fev were taking names... Had that continued, Vossy would have been praised. Fev needs to be accountable for his actions, Vossy does need to be accountable for his decisions, but not just cut loose.

 

[damochandler]

i don't think it's just the fev trade. what about xavier clarke. what was the interest in him

 

[Johnny619]

Geez people are acting as if he is the only coach to have a bad season.

 

[mwalker]

I honestly it has all come about mainly due to recruiting Fev.

1/ Didn't work out on-field whether it be injuries, form, attitude. Doesn't matter why really.
2/ Lost Bradshaw as a result
3/ Losing Risch and Brenn is related to no money and that is due to Fev's pricetag
4/ Dent in the brand up in Qld can not be helping
5/ If they cut him loose are they then one player down on their list?

So whooever gave the final ok for the Fev trade I think is ultimately responsible for all this. Don't get Fev...Keep Bradshaw and you never know.

Was that Vossy?

 

[weagles_fan]

If they finish last like most knowledgeable people expect this season he's gone. Worsfold and he are the coaches most under pressure in 2011.

 

[The Bomb]

Rich has put off all contract talks until the end of the season,
Clarke is all but gone,
Adelaide or Port Adelaide should get there salary cap ready for Polec in 2 years time.
Brisbane gave up Henderson, lost Sherman, Risch, Brenn, Bradshaw.

Since Voss took over he has not improved there list or football department, actually it has become a grave yard, players and staff leaving left right and centre. worst I have seen in a long time.

 

[Hollow Knight]

What a dramatic thread title. What special method of accountability should he be held to? The stocks? Tarring and feathering?

He is in a performance based job and is out of contract at the end of the year. The board have already massively curtailed his power base and autonomy. Another bad season and the solution is pretty obvious.

 

[yaco55]

Agree with Brown Dog.

He will be replaced as coach if Brisbane performs as most pundits expect in 2011.

And he may never land another gig as a Head Coach.

 

[KissStephanie]

His poor recruiting and bad decision making has led to the decline of the club. The purchase of mature recruits has failed and he has had both staff and players walking from the club left, right and centre.

The recruiting decisions prior to last season were ridiculous, and I said so at the time. He was recruiting as if he was playing AFL Premiership 2006 on his Sony Playstation instead of preparing for a real 2010 season. Most players recruited had failed at other clubs, whilst I didn't think for a moment that Brown and Fevola could work together because both players are first choice forward targets, and two such players in the same team does not work and will not work as it didn't work last season.

Do you think Voss will last the season and is he the right man for the job at Brisbane? I think he must go if Brisbane is to move forward again.

I don't think that Brisbane can get out of this hole for a very long time regardless of who the coach will be in the future. The irreparable damage has been done, and they must be wooden spoon favourites for 2011.

We finished 6th in his first year as coach. Yes, last year was a bit of a train wreck but shit happens.

Brisbane finished 6th in 2009 due to the performances of the remaining premiership players that were still at the club, as well as a couple of players that are no longer at the club. The reason their list looks so terrible is because of bad decisions, and not because "shit happens."

Give the bloke a break.

I'm a Collingwood supporter, so I believe the decisions he has made at Brisbane since becoming coach has been fantastic!

 

[Hollow Knight]

The issue of potential coaching replacements if Voss's contract isn't renewed is an interesting one.

Leppitsch would have to come into the equation. There could be some reluctance to give another favorite son the nod. That said, he has done an apprenticeship at two clubs and is regarded for being an innovative thinker.

Hinkley and Sanderson would likely both apply.

Internally there doesn't seem to be a good fit. O'Donnell is experienced but had repeatedly stated he has no senior coaching ambitions. Woewodin is regarded as a rising star but doesn't have the experience yet. Rawlings a possibility but doesn't have the appeal of some of the external options. Fletcher had plenty of experience but doesn't seem to have the personality required for a senior coach.

 

[vjknight]

lets face it - voss didnt take the traditional path of bottom out, take good draft picks and build up - he decided to use the remaining remnants of their great era, took the risk of recruiting 'ready made' players from elsewhere, hoping to steer them and the existing into a top side for 2-3 years.

the strategy has been a complete disaster for several reasons. not just the duds that were picked up, but the baggage one bought with him, and now the loss of several good quality players, from both the 2009 list & the 2010 list.

it may have been bad luck but it was luck or lack of it he himself created. he lives or dies by it. vossy save face and die on your sword asap. theres a new QLD team happy to take away your clubs supporters & sponsors.

 

[MacMum]

The ONLY reason we finished so badly last season is because of INJURIES...

...now you know-alls from other clubs tell me how your team would have done better and still finished in the finals like we did in Voss's 1st year, with the same injuries to key players like we had!..

List your top 10 players, then take out 8 of them, and see how your team would go!....

NONE of you know our team like we do, yet you mouth off and give opinions on things you know nothing about..and make yourselves look like fools..

If we stay injury free, then we will be just as competitive as the rest..

Mind your own business and worry about your own team...

Like any other coach, Voss will be under scrutiny, but he cannot and should not be judged on a season full of injuries.....and thats the bottom line!!..

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Give him a five year contract extension.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Internally there doesn't seem to be a good fit. O'Donnell is experienced but had repeatedly stated he has no senior coaching ambitions. Woewodin is regarded as a rising star but doesn't have the experience yet. Rawlings a possibility but doesn't have the appeal of some of the external options. Fletcher had plenty of experience but doesn't seem to have the personality required for a senior coach.

Perhaps Vossy has deliberately surrounded himself with people unlikely to be a threat.