Analysis Is our 2021 team better than our 2000 team?

[GlennSA]

In 2000, we made the Grand Final. How does our current best 22 compare?

 

[Jordie_tackles]

I prefer the current team, reliable defenders, dominant ruck, star midfielders and more than capable forward line.

 

[Crimson Azure]

We have a better list now, 2000 was a lot like 2018. We hit a rich vein of form in the finals with young players stepping up.

 

[Dory_77]

2000 had a more potent forward half. Now we've got a better defence and some star mids, albeit not as prolific at scoring.

 

[schmuttt]

2000 had a better forwardline, def/mids 2021 for sure.

The 2000 team fluked it a bit on that GF run - hit form at the right time when we probably didn't have a top 3 list at the time.

 

[mrmonkey]

I think by the years end we were clearly top 3 list. We didn't fluke a gf run we won 9 out of 10 leading into the gf. The 1 game we lost was a 1 point loss to North where they kicked 10 in a quarter. Powell missed from the square as well.

 

[Blackas87]

I think by the years end we were clearly top 3 list. We didn't fluke a gf run we won 9 out of 10 leading into the gf. The 1 game we lost was a 1 point loss to North where they kicked 10 in a quarter. Powell missed from the square as well.

North were also the reigning premiers and eventual top 4 prelim team.

As CA said above 2000 was similar to 2018 with a young getting hot. That team matured with finals in 2002, 04, 05, and 06, but never finished top 4 or made it to a prelim.

 

[schmuttt]

I think by the years end we were clearly top 3 list. We didn't fluke a gf run we won 9 out of 10 leading into the gf. The 1 game we lost was a 1 point loss to North where they kicked 10 in a quarter. Powell missed from the square as well.

Carlton were crippled with Kouta doing a knee and North had a better side than us IMO

 

[mrmonkey]

Carlton were crippled with Kouta doing a knee and North had a better side than us IMO

I think we passed both teams by years end. Carlton's list finished bottom only two years later, North's reign was done, I still remember going to that qualifying final where essendon flogged them by 120 and then we flogged them by 50.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

The 2000 side had a hilariously shit defence for a team that made a GF.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yes, don't think it's really even close either.

 

[00Stinger]

We have a better list now, 2000 was a lot like 2018. We hit a rich vein of form in the finals with young players stepping up.

We finished the h&a season in 3rd

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

1994 still the most talented list I've seen in the flesh for us from a pure name perspective. But they were a bunch of injury prone bastards sadly.

 

[Johnny Karate]

2021
B: Hibberd - May - Petty
HB: Salem - Lever - Rivers
C: Brayshaw - Viney - Langdon
HF: Neal-Bullen - McDonald - Spargo
F: Pickett - Weideman/B Brown - Fritsch
R: Gawn - Oliver - Petracca
I: Harmes - Hunt - Jackson - Jordon

2018
B: Jetta - O McDonald - Hibberd
HB: Salem - Frost/Lever - Lewis
C: Tyson - Brayshaw - Jones
HF: Neal-Bullen - T McDonald - Hannan
F: Melksham - Hogan/Weideman - Spargo
R: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I: Fritsch - Garlett - Harmes - vandenBerg

2000
B: Whelan - Nicholson - Collins
HB: Walsh - Ingerson - S Febey
C: Powell - Woewodin - Yze
HF: Robertson - Schwarz - Bruce
F: Green - Neitz - Farmer
R: White - Leoncelli - Rigoni
I: Grgic - Johnstone - A McDonald - Simmonds

1998
B: Seecamp - Shanahan - S Febey
HB: M Febey - Ingerson - Hopgood
C: Yze - Rigoni - Woewodin
HF: J McDonald - Schwarz - A McDonald
F: Farmer - Neitz - Lyon
R: White - Viney - Tingay
I: Grgic - Leoncelli - Robertson - Stynes


1994
B: Prymke - Wight - S Febey
HB: B Lovett - Neitz - Hopgood
C: Tingay - G Lovett - Obst
HF: M Febey - Schwarz - Lovell
F: Jakovich/Pike - Lyon - Charles
R: Stynes - Viney - Dyson
I: Irving - Lovell - Norrish

 

[SugarHealey]

In 2000, we made the Grand Final. How does our current best 22 compare?

Better, much better; hands down.

This current team has learnt to run both ways and work as a team when we're without the footy. Its far better in responsibility than all our teams of the 90's, and 2000's.

This team/squad, are not, 'front runners'.

 

[Demon 16]

We are better this time.

In 2000 we hit form at the right time but we were essentially underpinned by a fleet of super running mids with good foots skills.

Daniher had them so well drilled on rotations and breaking down opposition with gut running through the corridor.

We ran over most sides but too soft to win a GF and that was proven when the Bombers bashed us up.

This time we are hard in the middle, have a strong backline and have genuine star power on the list.

Not saying we’ll win it, but we will be up there for enough years to have a bloody good crack at finally jagging one soon.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

2021
B: Hibberd - May - Petty
HB: Salem - Lever - Rivers
C: Brayshaw - Viney - Langdon
HF: Neal-Bullen - McDonald - Spargo
F: Pickett - Weideman/B Brown - Fritsch
R: Gawn - Oliver - Petracca
I: Harmes - Hunt - Jackson - Jordon

2018
B: Jetta - O McDonald - Hibberd
HB: Salem - Frost/Lever - Lewis
C: Tyson - Brayshaw - Jones
HF: Neal-Bullen - T McDonald - Hannan
F: Melksham - Hogan/Weideman - Spargo
R: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I: Fritsch - Garlett - Harmes - vandenBerg

2000
B: Whelan - Nicholson - Collins
HB: Walsh - Ingerson - S Febey
C: Powell - Woewodin - Yze
HF: Robertson - Schwarz - Bruce
F: Green - Neitz - Farmer
R: White - Leoncelli - Rigoni
I: Grgic - Johnstone - A McDonald - Simmonds

1998
B: Seecamp - Shanahan - S Febey
HB: M Febey - Ingerson - Hopgood
C: Yze - Rigoni - Woewodin
HF: J McDonald - Schwarz - A McDonald
F: Farmer - Neitz - Lyon
R: White - Viney - Tingay
I: Grgic - Leoncelli - Robertson - Stynes


1994
B: Prymke - Wight - S Febey
HB: B Lovett - Neitz - Hopgood
C: Tingay - G Lovett - Obst
HF: M Febey - Schwarz - Lovell
F: Jakovich/Pike - Lyon - Charles
R: Stynes - Viney - Dyson
I: Irving - Lovell - Norrish

Johnstone and McDonald on the bench batted pretty deep in 2000

 

[Demon 16]

Johnstone and McDonald on the bench batted pretty deep in 2000

Pretty sure it was Anthony McDonald and Travis was mostly stoned at the time.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Lol, OP's account is dead a day after joining.

I guess the flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as long.

Goodnight sweet prince.

 

[NorthcoteDee]

yes

 

[Crusty Demon]

Our forwardline was stacked in 2000. Backline workmanlike really. If we had the forwardline we had in 2000 with the backline we have now, it wouldn't matter who was in the guts..

 

[Dory_77]

Our forwardline was stacked in 2000. Backline workmanlike really. If we had the forwardline we had in 2000 with the backline we have now, it wouldn't matter who was in the guts..

What if the lineup was:
C: Morton, Magner, Blease
R: Meesen, Valenti, Couch

HUH? HUH?

 

[Sellout Scully]

I'm a bit young to remember the 2000 season perfectly so I am curious about how Woewodin's 2000 season compares against what Oliver and Petracca are doing now. Can anyone offer a bit of insight?

Statistically Oliver gets a lot more of the ball than Woewodin but it's a different game now compared to then.

Looking back at the 2000 Brownlow voting, interesting to note that 15 of his 24 Brownlow votes came in the first 8 rounds.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I'm a bit young to remember the 2000 season perfectly so I am curious about how Woewodin's 2000 season compares against what Oliver and Petracca are doing now. Can anyone offer a bit of insight?

Statistically Oliver gets a lot more of the ball than Woewodin but it's a different game now compared to then.

Looking back at the 2000 Brownlow voting, interesting to note that 15 of his 24 Brownlow votes came in the first 8 rounds.

Woewodin shouldn't have won the Brownlw in 2000. Played above himself but still wasn't one of the best 5 mids in the comp like Trac and Oliver are now.

He was more the sort of player who'd standout when we were going good but would go somehat missing when we were going bad. Icing type.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Was somewhere in the 16 to 20-1 range Brownlow night from memory.